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Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.07.11 19:40:00 -
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RINON114 wrote:Sloth9230 wrote: Lets do more math. 167(Base shield damage) x 1.25(pro) x 1.30( 3 dmg mods... sort of) = 271.375 Now, if your using an armor suit and/or scout, then... sucks to be you  ,but your suits base shields should still be enough to protect you from a 1-HKO, will it leave you pretty much dead? Yup, but you said 1-shot, not 2 shot So no, a flaylock will never 1 shot you... ever. Unless you're a scout  Unless you're a Gallente logistics...
The guy in the pic was a Gallente assault, I'm sure you could put an extender on you're suit too |
Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.07.11 19:44:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:insertna mahere wrote:Just wondering if you get hit directly by the flaylock do you still suffer the splash damage as well? CCP says no, it shouldn't. But from experience, it sure does.
Your experience is biased, and wrong
Again...
167 is damage for a direct shot, DIRECT, anything higher than that involves proficiency, mods, or armor, which would pretty much get 1-shotted. |
Anuliadon Gortusk
Hellstorm Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.11 19:47:00 -
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Regardless of whether his information is accurate does that take away from the issue? No it doesn't the, flaylock is stupid broken and even a majority of flaylock users will say that. |
Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.07.11 19:52:00 -
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Anuliadon Gortusk wrote:Regardless of whether his information is accurate does that take away from the issue? No it doesn't the, flaylock is stupid broken and even a majority of flaylock users will say that.
Yes, yes it does, accurate information is the difference between a reasonable changes and.... ehh, CCP's going to break it anyway cause they suck at balance, but that's besides the point
You really want to make changes based on word of mouth?
There is no question that Flaylock could use some changes/nerfs, the issue is how drastic do they need to be so as to not make it completely useless, which seems to be what most people want
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=93326
^These are some changes I suggested for it. |
Anuliadon Gortusk
Hellstorm Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.11 19:56:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Anuliadon Gortusk wrote:Regardless of whether his information is accurate does that take away from the issue? No it doesn't the, flaylock is stupid broken and even a majority of flaylock users will say that. Yes, yes it does, accurate information is the difference between a reasonable changes and.... ehh, CCP's going to break it anyway cause they suck at balance, but that's besides the point You really want to make changes based on word of mouth?
I find that overwhelming experience in game trumps stat sheets however both should be worked together accordingly. But I believe part of the problem is CCP does not play their game or know that actual stats for their own weapons when it comes to balancing so you are correct there that they will mess it up. |
Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:33:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Orenji Jiji wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Forge hitbox is far too big, should be a pin-sized hitbox. Right now they just aim in the general direction of somebody from halfway across the map and get a direct hit. BS. Make an alt, skill FG and record this. I did use forgegun in this build. Have you? No, you just think you know how it works. Been killed by forge noobs, don't need to spec to know their hitbox is too big. Forge players should have to aim like the rest of us (well except flaylock and MD players), not point in general direction, click, then win.
And this is why I don't trust personal "experience"
As you can see, the OP doesn't know squat about how weapons actually work, he just likes to think he does. I'm not inclined to listen to guy whose only evidence for his claims is "because I told you so"
FG hit box is too big, why? Because it killed him? |
Anuliadon Gortusk
Hellstorm Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:44:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Orenji Jiji wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Forge hitbox is far too big, should be a pin-sized hitbox. Right now they just aim in the general direction of somebody from halfway across the map and get a direct hit. BS. Make an alt, skill FG and record this. I did use forgegun in this build. Have you? No, you just think you know how it works. Been killed by forge noobs, don't need to spec to know their hitbox is too big. Forge players should have to aim like the rest of us (well except flaylock and MD players), not point in general direction, click, then win. And this is why I don't trust personal "experience" As you can see, the OP doesn't know squat about how weapons actually work, he just likes to think he does. I'm not inclined to listen to guy whose only evidence for his claims is "because I told you so" FG hit box is too big, why? Because it killed him?
So I will play your little game...What do you think of gaylocks? |
Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.07.11 20:48:00 -
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Anuliadon Gortusk wrote:
So I will play your little game...What do you think of gaylocks?
Quote:Lower it's RoF (somewhere between what it is now and the MD's, it's way too easy to spam these things
-Increase reload time a little
-Lower Splash damage 15-20%
-Increase direct hits by 10-15%, they aren't rewarding enough ATM in my oppinion
- Slightly increase damage against shields, lower damage against armor as well 80%:120%?
Or...
- Flatten their Splash radius...es? 1.25 for STD, 1.50 for ADV, 1.75 for PRO |
FLAYLOCK Steve
Hellstorm Inc
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Posted - 2013.07.12 02:44:00 -
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The flaylock isn't op lol. 3 shots is op? Try blaming your noob skills by running in predictable patterns. Seriously, I'm a main flaylock scout, if I miss I'm dead. So don't cry when you stand still for me :). |
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