DUST Search - Dust is too FPS for New Eden

Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:

BL4CKST4R wrote:

Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:

Hunter Fencen wrote:

How much better would it be if DUST walked a little away from its FPS side and more towards it MMO side? Imagine a series of open worlds (not majorly big but still) that you could explore with corp mates. Capsuleers drop you on a planet, you put on a nice looking suit before dropping, making the suit more like a EVE ship. You can explore the district in open world, clear out drone infestations, gather materials, set up outposts and of course have huge open world running wars that span whole huge districts, not set go in a game, fire bullets, make cash, like you do now but actual exploration, maybe finding that crucial ore deposit that makes millions for capsuleers. Oh and you can then incorparate loyalty points into this, clearing your nearby district of nasty space pirates has never been so rewarding :)

With 7000 players and over what do I know how many planets? Is it a nice idea? Yes. Would it work? Not in a thousand years. You would need millions of players for it to be fun. If you don't have that many most of the time you would just look at an empty landscape.

Open up new planets to explore as the playerbase expands, also not all planets in EVE are suitable for human life.

And then what? We have some planets which can actually interact with Eve Online and people in other region just ran out of luck? Planets suitable for life? There are still at least double as many as there are systems in Eve online. Not to mention that Dusties have these nice suits which can actually protect them on hazardous planets. It just wouldn't work.

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Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES EoN. 30	Posted - 2013.07.11 00:20:00 - [1] - Quote How much better would it be if DUST walked a little away from its FPS side and more towards it MMO side? Imagine a series of open worlds (not majorly big but still) that you could explore with corp mates. Capsuleers drop you on a planet, you put on a nice looking suit before dropping, making the suit more like a EVE ship. You can explore the district in open world, clear out drone infestations, gather materials, set up outposts and of course have huge open world running wars that span whole huge districts, not set go in a game, fire bullets, make cash, like you do now but actual exploration, maybe finding that crucial ore deposit that makes millions for capsuleers. Oh and you can then incorparate loyalty points into this, clearing your nearby district of nasty space pirates has never been so rewarding :)
Sotapopthegrey gay Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 57	Posted - 2013.07.11 00:22:00 - [2] - Quote Hunter Fencen wrote: How much better would it be if DUST walked a little away from its FPS side and more towards it MMO side? Imagine a series of open worlds (not majorly big but still) that you could explore with corp mates. Capsuleers drop you on a planet, you put on a nice looking suit before dropping, making the suit more like a EVE ship. You can explore the district in open world, clear out drone infestations, gather materials, set up outposts and of course have huge open world running wars that span whole huge districts, not set go in a game, fire bullets, make cash, like you do now but actual exploration, maybe finding that crucial ore deposit that makes millions for capsuleers. Oh and you can then incorparate loyalty points into this, clearing your nearby district of nasty space pirates has never been so rewarding :) don't you mean RPG side? MMO= massive multiplayer online FPS= first person shooter RPG= role playing game
Xocoyol Zaraoul Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 686	Posted - 2013.07.11 00:22:00 - [3] - Quote What the ****
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 706	Posted - 2013.07.11 00:22:00 - [4] - Quote Keep it FPS. Just add more MMO. Don't take some FPS away.
Zero Notion Red Star Jr. 23	Posted - 2013.07.11 00:26:00 - [5] - Quote It's already pretty MMO, RPG and FPS. The grind for SPs, the upgrading gear, corporations and so on are very key MMO elements. I think they're finding a great balance between the three types - I've never been much of a fan of FPS in general but with the meta-game being slowly introduced and having battles 'mean' something, it's much more exciting.
JETSTORM1090 Against All Oddz 123	Posted - 2013.07.11 00:32:00 - [6] - Quote Hunter Fencen wrote: How much better would it be if DUST walked a little away from its FPS side and more towards it MMO side? Imagine a series of open worlds (not majorly big but still) that you could explore with corp mates. Capsuleers drop you on a planet, you put on a nice looking suit before dropping, making the suit more like a EVE ship. You can explore the district in open world, clear out drone infestations, gather materials, set up outposts and of course have huge open world running wars that span whole huge districts, not set go in a game, fire bullets, make cash, like you do now but actual exploration, maybe finding that crucial ore deposit that makes millions for capsuleers. Oh and you can then incorparate loyalty points into this, clearing your nearby district of nasty space pirates has never been so rewarding :) I thought it needed to be more fps like, do to the fact I die mostly from vehichles and grenades more than guns....
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2415	Posted - 2013.07.11 00:44:00 - [7] - Quote ...Well, I can honestly say that my mouth was hanging open for about 10 seconds after reading the OP. I never thought I'd see the day where someone said the game was too FPS.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 419	Posted - 2013.07.11 00:49:00 - [8] - Quote Too late, game is already too far on its current path. Though I wouldn't mind more RPG elements.
BatKing Deltor Tank Bros. DARKSTAR ARMY 104	Posted - 2013.07.11 00:53:00 - [9] - Quote Hmmmm, remove redline, players all spawn in as friendlies, add in mobs of drones.
CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 19	Posted - 2013.07.11 01:16:00 - [10] - Quote This game is barley a FPS to begin with.

Acezero 44 Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 61	Posted - 2013.07.11 01:16:00 - [11] - Quote dust should just steal everything good from,Global Agenda they got heavys they got scouts they got Jetpacks they got STEALTH they got cool maps they got PVE oh, and yea, they got vids with lame music to,.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5968	Posted - 2013.07.11 01:40:00 - [12] - Quote Its not FPS enough imo.
Soldiersaint Reaper Galactic 93	Posted - 2013.07.11 01:55:00 - [13] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Keep it FPS. Just add more MMO. Don't take some FPS away. Take the freaking fps away darn it.........we dont need that part -_-
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5968	Posted - 2013.07.11 02:12:00 - [14] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Keep it FPS. Just add more MMO. Don't take some FPS away. Take the freaking fps away darn it.........we dont need that part -_- If I wanted FPS removed I'd go play Defiance... oh wait we all know how that game turned out. Almost the entire studio was fired. http://www.gamespot.com/news/layoffs-at-defiance-dev-report-6408548
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 437	Posted - 2013.07.11 02:19:00 - [15] - Quote The game with everything you have ever wanted awaits.
Phantom Vaxer The Generals EoN. 4	Posted - 2013.07.11 02:29:00 - [16] - Quote The FPS aspect makes sense with how corporations vie for control. The MMORPG feel you describe kind of sounds like as if EVE had an expansion of new worlds with none being conquered with colonists going on individual planets to explore them and ultimately sell knowledge or make money off the spoils.
Killar-12 Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 98	Posted - 2013.07.11 02:38:00 - [17] - Quote Hunter Fencen wrote: How much better would it be if DUST walked a little away from its FPS side and more towards it MMO side? Imagine a series of open worlds (not majorly big but still) that you could explore with corp mates. Capsuleers drop you on a planet, you put on a nice looking suit before dropping, making the suit more like a EVE ship. You can explore the district in open world, clear out drone infestations, gather materials, set up outposts and of course have huge open world running wars that span whole huge districts, not set go in a game, fire bullets, make cash, like you do now but actual exploration, maybe finding that crucial ore deposit that makes millions for capsuleers. Oh and you can then incorparate loyalty points into this, clearing your nearby district of nasty space pirates has never been so rewarding :) +1 I'd like this but it would be difficult to do. You do know that?
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 706	Posted - 2013.07.11 02:49:00 - [18] - Quote Hunter Fencen wrote: How much better would it be if DUST walked a little away from its FPS side and more towards it MMO side? Imagine a series of open worlds (not majorly big but still) that you could explore with corp mates. Capsuleers drop you on a planet, you put on a nice looking suit before dropping, making the suit more like a EVE ship. You can explore the district in open world, clear out drone infestations, gather materials, set up outposts and of course have huge open world running wars that span whole huge districts, not set go in a game, fire bullets, make cash, like you do now but actual exploration, maybe finding that crucial ore deposit that makes millions for capsuleers. Oh and you can then incorparate loyalty points into this, clearing your nearby district of nasty space pirates has never been so rewarding :) So you want PvE? This seems like another PvE thread, I am all for PvE but I doubt anything like this will be released within the next 5 to 10 years.
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 52	Posted - 2013.07.11 02:59:00 - [19] - Quote I think there should be ways to play Dust that don't involve shooting everything on sight, like there is in EVE. Mining, exploration, manufacturing, etc. Dust should be equal parts FPS and RPG.
EKH0 0ne Knights of No Republic The Superpowers 182	Posted - 2013.07.11 03:05:00 - [20] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Keep it FPS. Just add more MMO. Don't take some FPS away. Take the freaking fps away darn it.........we dont need that part -_- If I wanted FPS removed I'd go play Defiance... oh wait we all know how that game turned out. Almost the entire studio was fired. http://www.gamespot.com/news/layoffs-at-defiance-dev-report-6408548 Defiance isnt a FPS game so theres that , and how could this game be more FPS?

echo47 Sebiestor Field Sappers Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2013.07.11 03:20:00 - [21] - Quote Title should read Dust is too dumbed down for New Eden.
Cosgar ParagonX 2607	Posted - 2013.07.11 03:23:00 - [22] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Keep it FPS. Just add more MMO. Don't take some FPS away. Take the freaking fps away darn it.........we dont need that part -_- If I wanted FPS removed I'd go play Defiance... oh wait we all know how that game turned out. Almost the entire studio was fired. http://www.gamespot.com/news/layoffs-at-defiance-dev-report-6408548 And since Syfy still has another season, someone owes me $50!
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 615	Posted - 2013.07.11 05:07:00 - [23] - Quote Dust needs to be more quality fps and more rpg and more mmo. And it will be.....but AAA fps has to come first or we're doomed.
Knightshade Belladonna Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 606	Posted - 2013.07.11 05:12:00 - [24] - Quote I like how you think. I'm sure ccp would absolutley love to have had some of those features. Maybe one day.. there are some great plans to the future, just all being done in baby steps
Atikali Havendoorr HERBGROWERS 36	Posted - 2013.07.11 06:08:00 - [25] - Quote Canaan Knute wrote: I think there should be ways to play Dust that don't involve shooting everything on sight, like there is in EVE. Mining, exploration, manufacturing, etc. Dust should be equal parts FPS and RPG. This. The OP seems like a nice PvE-idea.
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Planetary Response Organisation 380	Posted - 2013.07.11 06:23:00 - [26] - Quote I gather that OP is less upset by the "shooting from a first-person perspective" aspect, and more by the discrete matches. I've had a similar feeling. I sincerely hope it gets to that point, because what's the point of being in New Eden if you're forced to fight fair?
Templis Card Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 18	Posted - 2013.07.11 07:26:00 - [27] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: The game with everything you have ever wanted awaits. ** this ** I'm packing everything up and moving to Hello Kitty Online!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4831	Posted - 2013.07.11 07:35:00 - [28] - Quote Hunter Fencen wrote: How much better would it be if DUST walked a little away from its FPS side and more towards it MMO side? Imagine a series of open worlds (not majorly big but still) that you could explore with corp mates. Capsuleers drop you on a planet, you put on a nice looking suit before dropping, making the suit more like a EVE ship. You can explore the district in open world, clear out drone infestations, gather materials, set up outposts and of course have huge open world running wars that span whole huge districts, not set go in a game, fire bullets, make cash, like you do now but actual exploration, maybe finding that crucial ore deposit that makes millions for capsuleers. Oh and you can then incorparate loyalty points into this, clearing your nearby district of nasty space pirates has never been so rewarding :) That would be so amazing.
Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES EoN. 41	Posted - 2013.07.11 07:42:00 - [29] - Quote I do like the FPS but as one of you said I just don't get that cutthroat feel of New Eden, its just a little generic. By too FPS I mean DUST is attempting and MMORPGFPS but has only really achieved the last bit. Suits are really rather exchangable, matches don't really have much importance in the PVE world, look at one trailer for DUST you have dropships aproaching an area in a very RPG aspect to achieve a greater role. You wouldn't get that in DUST generic FPS atm. Also wheres the risk of New Eden. Thats what brought me to this game. Just think. You scour planets, in high sec theres maybe a lot of buildings not much to findand a lot of police but as you get lower down sec status until null secs where the gloves are off, no buildings to be seen. Stealth attacks on player made compounds. Walking into a valley infested with rogue drones. And an idea. Should 24 players be within a 1mile radius in low sec DUST switches automatically to a match in the radius ensuring everchanging maps but not in null sec, in null sec there are no boundaries full stop, thats where it goes down on the big scale. Really I just want games to mean something. After time and battles suits become increasing worn and torn, pieces missing, mismatched repairs marking your proud victories.
Dale Templar Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 206	Posted - 2013.07.11 09:52:00 - [30] - Quote Why are you trying to ruin a perfectly good game. If you want RPG, play EVE.

Sinboto Simmons Sver true blood Public Disorder. 605	Posted - 2013.07.11 10:03:00 - [31] - Quote Dale Templar wrote: Why are you trying to ruin a perfectly good game. If you want RPG, play EVE. Dust 514 is supposed to be a MMOFPSRPG additional content to the game will not ruin it but help it inch ever so closer to what it was supposed to be originally.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 78	Posted - 2013.07.11 11:11:00 - [32] - Quote Hunter Fencen wrote: How much better would it be if DUST walked a little away from its FPS side and more towards it MMO side? Imagine a series of open worlds (not majorly big but still) that you could explore with corp mates. Capsuleers drop you on a planet, you put on a nice looking suit before dropping, making the suit more like a EVE ship. You can explore the district in open world, clear out drone infestations, gather materials, set up outposts and of course have huge open world running wars that span whole huge districts, not set go in a game, fire bullets, make cash, like you do now but actual exploration, maybe finding that crucial ore deposit that makes millions for capsuleers. Oh and you can then incorparate loyalty points into this, clearing your nearby district of nasty space pirates has never been so rewarding :) With 7000 players and over what do I know how many planets? Is it a nice idea? Yes. Would it work? Not in a thousand years. You would need millions of players for it to be fun. If you don't have that many most of the time you would just look at an empty landscape.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 709	Posted - 2013.07.11 11:20:00 - [33] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Hunter Fencen wrote: How much better would it be if DUST walked a little away from its FPS side and more towards it MMO side? Imagine a series of open worlds (not majorly big but still) that you could explore with corp mates. Capsuleers drop you on a planet, you put on a nice looking suit before dropping, making the suit more like a EVE ship. You can explore the district in open world, clear out drone infestations, gather materials, set up outposts and of course have huge open world running wars that span whole huge districts, not set go in a game, fire bullets, make cash, like you do now but actual exploration, maybe finding that crucial ore deposit that makes millions for capsuleers. Oh and you can then incorparate loyalty points into this, clearing your nearby district of nasty space pirates has never been so rewarding :) With 7000 players and over what do I know how many planets? Is it a nice idea? Yes. Would it work? Not in a thousand years. You would need millions of players for it to be fun. If you don't have that many most of the time you would just look at an empty landscape. Open up new planets to explore as the playerbase expands, also not all planets in EVE are suitable for human life.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 125	Posted - 2013.07.11 11:21:00 - [34] - Quote Hunter Fencen wrote: How much better would it be if DUST walked a little away from its FPS side and more towards it MMO side? Imagine a series of open worlds (not majorly big but still) that you could explore with corp mates. Capsuleers drop you on a planet, you put on a nice looking suit before dropping, making the suit more like a EVE ship. You can explore the district in open world, clear out drone infestations, gather materials, set up outposts and of course have huge open world running wars that span whole huge districts, not set go in a game, fire bullets, make cash, like you do now but actual exploration, maybe finding that crucial ore deposit that makes millions for capsuleers. Oh and you can then incorparate loyalty points into this, clearing your nearby district of nasty space pirates has never been so rewarding :) sounds like quite the coding nightmare at this point... if this is what you want wait for destiny or titanfall
Soldiersaint Reaper Galactic 96	Posted - 2013.07.11 11:24:00 - [35] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Keep it FPS. Just add more MMO. Don't take some FPS away. Take the freaking fps away darn it.........we dont need that part -_- If I wanted FPS removed I'd go play Defiance... oh wait we all know how that game turned out. Almost the entire studio was fired. http://www.gamespot.com/news/layoffs-at-defiance-dev-report-6408548 you know what i meant by that ......true defiance was trash.even if it had fps it would still be trash. but hopefully the division will bring third person mmo shooters back
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 47	Posted - 2013.07.11 11:27:00 - [36] - Quote To be honest... this is actually what I thought DUST was gonna be like when I first seen it.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 78	Posted - 2013.07.11 11:35:00 - [37] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Hunter Fencen wrote: How much better would it be if DUST walked a little away from its FPS side and more towards it MMO side? Imagine a series of open worlds (not majorly big but still) that you could explore with corp mates. Capsuleers drop you on a planet, you put on a nice looking suit before dropping, making the suit more like a EVE ship. You can explore the district in open world, clear out drone infestations, gather materials, set up outposts and of course have huge open world running wars that span whole huge districts, not set go in a game, fire bullets, make cash, like you do now but actual exploration, maybe finding that crucial ore deposit that makes millions for capsuleers. Oh and you can then incorparate loyalty points into this, clearing your nearby district of nasty space pirates has never been so rewarding :) With 7000 players and over what do I know how many planets? Is it a nice idea? Yes. Would it work? Not in a thousand years. You would need millions of players for it to be fun. If you don't have that many most of the time you would just look at an empty landscape. Open up new planets to explore as the playerbase expands, also not all planets in EVE are suitable for human life. And then what? We have some planets which can actually interact with Eve Online and people in other region just ran out of luck? Planets suitable for life? There are still at least double as many as there are systems in Eve online. Not to mention that Dusties have these nice suits which can actually protect them on hazardous planets. It just wouldn't work.
Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES EoN. 42	Posted - 2013.07.11 12:22:00 - [38] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Hunter Fencen wrote: How much better would it be if DUST walked a little away from its FPS side and more towards it MMO side? Imagine a series of open worlds (not majorly big but still) that you could explore with corp mates. Capsuleers drop you on a planet, you put on a nice looking suit before dropping, making the suit more like a EVE ship. You can explore the district in open world, clear out drone infestations, gather materials, set up outposts and of course have huge open world running wars that span whole huge districts, not set go in a game, fire bullets, make cash, like you do now but actual exploration, maybe finding that crucial ore deposit that makes millions for capsuleers. Oh and you can then incorparate loyalty points into this, clearing your nearby district of nasty space pirates has never been so rewarding :) With 7000 players and over what do I know how many planets? Is it a nice idea? Yes. Would it work? Not in a thousand years. You would need millions of players for it to be fun. If you don't have that many most of the time you would just look at an empty landscape. Open up new planets to explore as the playerbase expands, also not all planets in EVE are suitable for human life. And then what? We have some planets which can actually interact with Eve Online and people in other region just ran out of luck? Planets suitable for life? There are still at least double as many as there are systems in Eve online. Not to mention that Dusties have these nice suits which can actually protect them on hazardous planets. It just wouldn't work. Then do it bit by bit. Start by doing one system, then slowly expand, yes it'd need a lot of people but if this was the game then people would flock to it. I agree having some planets unsuitable for life would be smart as it'd limit how much work would have to be done. Each planet is like a small server unless some (lets say 5 people) are on it at one time it closes down. Other planets will be NPC owned (high sec) and always open for missions. Most of EVE is empty space but its still fun which is a bit of a flaw to you logic, not insulting your view i see where you're coming from though
semperfi1999 Internal Error. League of Infamy 642	Posted - 2013.07.11 12:51:00 - [39] - Quote This is the second worst idea i have read on these forums (first was the idea of creating trophies).
ALPHA DECRIPTER M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 52	Posted - 2013.07.11 12:54:00 - [40] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: This is the second worst idea i have read on these forums (first was the idea of creating trophies). You do know that they are actually going to make trophies. Right?

Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES EoN. 42	Posted - 2013.07.11 12:57:00 - [41] - Quote semperfi1999 wrote: This is the second worst idea i have read on these forums (first was the idea of creating trophies). Care to expand? I mean where's the cutthroat New Eden in DUST atm?
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 617	Posted - 2013.07.11 13:41:00 - [42] - Quote The most fundamental, and jarring, difference between Eve and DUST is the lobby shooter match structure imposed in DUST. I think to get the show on the road it was the only way to go, CCP didn't really have a choice, they had to make a lobby shooter. From what's been said before by CCP devs they're as enamoured of the open world vision as we are, it's just a matter of time(i.e. years, prolly). But, for my money, it is the way we're headed. This is New Eden it does need to happen eventually, because lobby shooters are are the most safe, most sterile and most boring form of PvP - that's just so inferior the universe we mercs and pilots live in.
nukel head Knights of No Republic The Superpowers 51	Posted - 2013.07.11 16:29:00 - [43] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Keep it FPS. Just add more MMO. Don't take some FPS away. Take the freaking fps away darn it.........we dont need that part -_- Then why would you even play Dust? It was designed to be an FPS.
Hunter Fencen ROGUE SPADES EoN. 42	Posted - 2013.07.11 19:15:00 - [44] - Quote nukel head wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Keep it FPS. Just add more MMO. Don't take some FPS away. Take the freaking fps away darn it.........we dont need that part -_- Then why would you even play Dust? It was designed to be an FPS. No it was meant to be an MMORPGFPS
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 248	Posted - 2013.07.11 20:05:00 - [45] - Quote EKH0 0ne wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Keep it FPS. Just add more MMO. Don't take some FPS away. Take the freaking fps away darn it.........we dont need that part -_- If I wanted FPS removed I'd go play Defiance... oh wait we all know how that game turned out. Almost the entire studio was fired. http://www.gamespot.com/news/layoffs-at-defiance-dev-report-6408548 Defiance isnt a FPS game so theres that , and how could this game be more FPS? Yeah, Defiance is a TPS, and from what I hear, its a Crap one at that! I'll stick with DUST, Red Dead, GTA, AC, and Star Wars Battlefront 1 in my game line up, thank you.
Cyrille Fodeux Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2013.07.11 20:19:00 - [46] - Quote The FPS side is okay. There is too little EVE for New Eden. I don't mean only matchmaking and open world but also stats and design.


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