After reading through a few posts re AR DPS i've seen that the average dps of a STD AR is around 446 DPS and i'd like to make a comparison between these STD lvl weapons v the PROTO Charge Rifle

with 321.3 base damage and a 4 second charge time between shots that puts the PROTO lvl Charge rifle at
160.65 DPS for 2 shots
120.4875 DPS for 3 shots
107.1 DPS for 4 shots
100.4 DPS for 5 shots

and then a reload .. I know AR users will QQ about distance etc but this is a huge difference in damage when we get to proto lvl gear, based on the average eHP at proto lvl being 600 with a huge percentage of that being shield tankers to which Rifles now do 90% to shields you can reduce the initial base damage of 321.3 by a straight 10% for the 1st shot as they have to hit shields 1st which puts the actual base damage below 300 and clearly shows just how broken the Sniper rifle is.

I'd like to make a proposal, increase the charge time between shots to a straight 8 seconds and double the damage and the DPS becomes this :-

642 DPS for 1 shot
160.65 for 2 shots
120.4875 for 3 shots

Without the stopping power of the 1st shot the whole concept of a PROTO lvl Charge Rifle becomes flawed, they have a significant disadvantage DPS which equates to being nearly 1/3rd weaker than a standard lvl AR so in all honesty either increase the delay time between shots and increase the stopping power of the weapon or remove the delay between shots because seeing as you have to hit most ppl 2/3 times currently to kill them that basically means the average kill for a sniper is over a period of 8 seconds and 120 dps is far to UP .. people will say Sniper rifles aren;t supposed to be DPS .. yes they aren't supposed to be DPS they are supposed to be OHK weapons and if OHK isn;t a viable option because all the protobear AR users will QQ then you need to improve the DPS of the weapon significantly.

That 642 base damage wont kill heavy users in 1 shot and probably wont kill most assault/logi suits with any kind of shield on them in 1 shot but it will mean that if you hit a medium suit user in the head you will more than likely kill them which is how it should be and dont forget we are talking about a PROTO lvl sniper rifle here and i feel the damage of the sniper rifles scales appallingly and dont forget I'm only comparing this PROTO lvl weapon to STD AR's the difference is even greater compared to PROTO lvl AR's .. sniper rifles need some love and b4 anyone says you need to work with another sniper or use tactics ... even 2 charge rifle users have 642 DPS for 1 shot each combined and 321.3 DPS for 2 shots each ... thats 2 people with proto lvl weapons unable to kill shield tankers and heavies with 2 shots ..

Hopefully ppl will respond with something constructive and any responses which are basically a straight 'No' or that they shouldn't have anything done to improve them clearly have no idea what they are talking about and will be straight up ignored.

Thanks for reading

You're asking for a sniper rifle that will OHK 75-80% of fits used by most player's. I wouldn't be so opposed if they weren't a hitscan weapon and actually required leading and compensation for projectile travel.

Is it not good enough for you that in most matches you are nearly unreachable from whatever perch you may choose, and that as such those who wish to engage you must grab a sniper rifle and engage you on your terms? Even if there are a few snipers on the opposing team you still have fewer threats to deal with than frontline infantry.

If you think a 640 damage Sniper is "OK" then I urge you to spend one day as frontline infantry and see just how annoying you pesky snipers already are and how easy you have it up on your perch.

This character is my main a logibro, i know exactly what its like being on the frontline and have been killed many times by snipers however I know exactly how difficult it is to get kills with a Sniper rifle and instead of QQ about being killed by a sniper I accept that I clearly wasn't using cover/it was my fault I got killed because if getting hit the 1st time didn't get me running for cover then i deserved to be killed by the second shot ... im used to being killed by snipers and not knowing who the hell killed me or from what direction they killed me and i strongly believe that is what a sniper rifles role is supposed to be and dont forget im talking about a PROTO lvl sniper rifle, I think you should actually try being a sniper and see just how hard it can be to get kills and how much skill it actually takes to kill a moving target from 400m + when your looking at a few pixels in your scope .. its not as easy as you think .. anyone can be a sniper, not everyone can be a good sniper .. I spend most of my time giving recon to my squad telling them who's at what , what enemies are doing, how many of them their are, what suits/weapons they are using and I dont get a single WP for doing any of that .. PS ppl become invisible after 500m on a sniper scope despite their range being well in excess of that ... imagine if you couldn't see enemies 50m away even though your range was 100m ...

+1 draw distance and variable scopes.

I don't think CCP should attempt to really balance this weapon to such a large degree as you propose (doubling damage) with those two issues oustanding. I have spent time sniping and while it can be challenging to get kills, you absolutely don't have the same rush of battle or fear for your life.... so lets just say that while it can be 'hard', and useful, it's not exactly the same as putting your ass on the frontlines in an expensive dropsuit.

There was another post in the feedback section about sniper rifle damage. My preference from that thread was to increase base damage on rifles by some small amount (I think it was 10%) and increase head shot damage to 200% or so and see where that takes things.

I have tried sniping in Dust, I consider it just barely a step above AFKing honestly. And Yes it is easy, first time I tried the Covenant sniper rifle I got a 314m headshot, admittedly hitting the head was shear luck, but simply hitting him was easy. I'm sorry but Dust is EZ mode sniping compared to BF3.

I don't care how detailed a snipers Intel is I'd much rather have that spot filled with someone on the front lines moving with the squad.

There is absolutley no skill what so ever in sniping in this game and you want it easier little big planet is that way needs realistic bullet drop and not piont click I win... headshots for 1hit kills only exept maybe proto snipe v malitia/standard suits, advance and proto should not be one hit killed to anything less than a proto sniperheadshot my 4yr old son has no problems sniping with a malitia sr,That tells me its easymode piont click you have been 1hk of a 4 yr old toddler lol

Comparing DPS (damage per second) of an AR and a sniper rifle is probably one of the weirdest, idiotic thing i've seen.

My Proto assault forge gun has about 800-1000dps... do you see a problem with your argument yet?

you absolutely don't have the same rush of battle or fear for your life.... so lets just say that while it can be 'hard', and useful, it's not exactly the same as putting your ass on the frontlines in an expensive dropsuit.

Comparing DPS (damage per second) of an AR and a sniper rifle is probably one of the weirdest, idiotic thing i've seen.

aim for the head, learn to shoot faster. only need 2 shots for most stuff, how many of my AR bullets do I got to land?

and I love how you said increasing it to 600 dps would not 1 shot heavies or most shield assault or logis lol.

This character is my main a logibro, i know exactly what its like being on the frontline and have been killed many times by snipers however I know exactly how difficult it is to get kills with a Sniper rifle and instead of QQ about being killed by a sniper I accept that I clearly wasn't using cover/it was my fault I got killed because if getting hit the 1st time didn't get me running for cover then i deserved to be killed by the second shot ... im used to being killed by snipers and not knowing who the hell killed me or from what direction they killed me and i strongly believe that is what a sniper rifles role is supposed to be and dont forget im talking about a PROTO lvl sniper rifle, I think you should actually try being a sniper and see just how hard it can be to get kills and how much skill it actually takes to kill a moving target from 400m + when your looking at a few pixels in your scope .. its not as easy as you think .. anyone can be a sniper, not everyone can be a good sniper .. I spend most of my time giving recon to my squad telling them who's at what , what enemies are doing, how many of them their are, what suits/weapons they are using and I dont get a single WP for doing any of that .. PS ppl become invisible after 500m on a sniper scope despite their range being well in excess of that ... imagine if you couldn't see enemies 50m away even though your range was 100m ...

this. Who the hell gives a flying **** about "DPS" on a sniper rifle?

Charge Sniper Rifle, requires 4 seconds to charge in between shots, please explain to me how I can shoot faster than what I do now when I have to wait to charge the weapon for 4 seconds b4 I can shoot a second time ??? Seriously read the post fully before making such a stupid comment plus at proto lvl most ppl have over 600 EHp and right now with the 90% to shield nerf that means even a headshot isn't good enough to get a kill or sometimes even take away someone shields, requiring 2 headshots to kill someone in a medium suit is ridiculous, how can you possibly argue that everything is fine ?

Charge Sniper Rifle, requires 4 seconds to charge in between shots, please explain to me how I can shoot faster than what I do now when I have to wait to charge the weapon for 4 seconds b4 I can shoot a second time ??? Seriously read the post fully before making such a stupid comment plus at proto lvl most ppl have over 600 EHp and right now with the 90% to shield nerf that means even a headshot isn't good enough to get a kill or sometimes even take away someone shields, requiring 2 headshots to kill someone in a medium suit is ridiculous, how can you possibly argue that everything is fine ?

They are OP hahaha

seriously though you have a 3 second delay between shots though ... 2k damage every 6 seconds isnt 800-1000 dps its 333.33 DPS if you coudl shoot every second then yes but you cant, Forge guns have high base damage because they have a lower fire rate, a charge sniper rifle has a 4 second delay between shots and a base damage 1/3 of the power of a forge gun and that's the problem I have, either take away the 4 second delay or increase the damage on the charge rifle

how can you shoot fasterr, pick up another proto varient.. wow so hard. the charged variant is meant to be a high dmg slow rof. did you know, it used to have the EXACT same stats as it does now and be a lvl 1 gun? Did you know it is the cheapest proto gun in the game? and 2 headshots with a charge to kill.. lmfao ok

did you know the price went up to 47k yesterday, thus making it not the cheapest proto gun, did you know the stats weren't exactly the same, as they increased the cpu and pg by about 80 and 12, did you know it used to do 195% damage on a head shot instead of it's current amount thus making the damage different then it was back then. did you know every person and their dog wasn't wearing proto armor back then. did you know back then we could fire over 1000m for cross map kills.

congrats on the price increase, about damn time. Sorry for not knowing it was changed YESTERDAY. and what is it's current amount on a headshot? because I headshot with a nt-11 quite often, and when it's a head shot they don't keep moving. maybe you didn't actually hit him in the head?? I'm not even going to argue anymore really because I just woke up and can't think straight.

so i'll just leave you with this.. your idea sucks, no it won't happen, have a good day

1. I'm talking about a PROTO LEVEL CHARGE SNIPER RIFLE ... THE MOST POWERFUL SNIPER RIFLE YOU CAN BUY IN THE GAME not being able to take medium suits out with a headshot (I used caps because you seemed to miss my entire OP which repeatedly said PROTO LVL CHARGE SNIPER RIFLE)
2.Your supposed 4 yr old toddler son must have been playing in the academy because I would absolutely love to see him try killing a proto lvl heavy with a militia sniper rifle seeing as it takes 4 shots with a PROTO lvl Charge Rifle with 5 10% damage mods and maximum proficiency to kill 1 of them.
3.You've clearly never been a sniper or you would know the serious flaws in hit detection and scope and the fact movement speed is still an issue (ppl seem to jump from 1 spot to another)
4.The fact you referred to Sniper Rifle as point and click and easy mode tells me all I need to know about your level of expertise in the area and that your either extremely uninformed or a troll and as such I wont discuss this matter with you any further

, also ive never claimed to be a sniper ive got zero sp in sniping , I ain t a troll I just saying sniping in this game takes absolutly no skill so carry on crying moar "mr sniper" I did read and understand your full post, tell me sniping takes any skill at all and your full of ****

My bad calisk, with how fast you came at me with that post and the whining tone it carrier I thought it was the OP. well, the OP idea sucks, and no it won't happen

hmmm.....sounds like a racist honestly.

it's so easy to picture him talking about black people or something like this.

Well a playerbase of 4K clearly tells you that your doing alot of things wrong so CPM for me means Crap and Pisspoor Management Team :) Sniper Rifles are broken and that's clear to everyone except the AR users and CCP, yet again you've ignored the countless requests for a damn matchmaking system but hey keep sucking the cocks of the Prototbear AR run and gun gamers from the stats i've seen to have a player base as small as what you have compared to the amount of ppl who've tried it you have nothing to offer anyone but the vets, OP AR's for everyone YAY .. maybe my comparison was idiotic but ignoring the problems your game has and releasing this game in the sorry state that its in is even more idiotic, then again i'm the bigger idiot because I actually played this sorry excuse for a game your a **** and so is every other member of CCP . ban me do whatever you like i'm sick and tired of the **** performance of everyone associated with this game that you'll actually be doing me a favour

Suck it **** ..I.. I've got better things to do on this gloriously sunny day enjoy watching your game die I know I will

If I had a sniper rifle with dmg at 1500 but a 5 second delay between shots.... you're telling me that would be underpowered?


lrn2brain

Im mixed race so wtf are you about ill give you the benefit of the doupt and say you must be ******** instead of plain ignorant

I also forget the last time I 1HKO'd someone from the top of a tower halfway across the map

@reav yes this thread has gon down hill pretty quickly, guess it's time to move on.

It was never very high to begin with... sniper dps.. i mean really

I don't. Basic Sniper rifle ftw.

i'm taking in reference to the class, you hate snipers, and won't listen to reason, you make generalizations about the people who play the class, it's role on the battlefield, and their contributions to the game, worse you assume you are betetr then them and which ever role you play on the battlefield is superior to them in every way.. racist is obviously the wrong term, but theirs no such thing as a classist so it was the closest thing that came to mind.

you openly admit to not playing the class or having any understanding about how the class operates. which means at best you were a sniper in the past before it's gone through multiple changes, at worst you have only ever been a casual kdr sniper and have never been even close to a useful sniper.


@reav yes this thread has gon down hill pretty quickly, guess it's time to move on.

There is absolutley no skill what so ever in sniping in this game and you want it easier little big planet is that way needs realistic bullet drop and not piont click I win... headshots for 1hit kills only exept maybe proto snipe v malitia/standard suits, advance and proto should not be one hit killed to anything less than a proto sniperheadshot my 4yr old son has no problems sniping with a malitia sr,That tells me its easymode piont click you have been 1hk of a 4 yr old toddler lol

It makes me laugh when I see people saying snipers do not contribute to objective based maps. Last night in a domination I watched the entire match how little the infantry was doing to actually push the objective while I kept sweeping it clean over and over and over for them and they did nothing. They were just hiding behind a container holding each other's hands. We lost the match but it sure wasn't the sniper's fault. For the record I went 40-1 and the closest to me was 7-2 and it's really not because I am an exceptional sniper, it's because most weren't doing their vanilla AR job.

It makes me laugh when I see people saying snipers do not contribute to objective based maps. Last night in a domination I watched the entire match how little the infantry was doing to actually push the objective while I kept sweeping it clean over and over and over for them and they did nothing. They were just hiding behind a container holding each other's hands. We lost the match but it sure wasn't the sniper's fault. For the record I went 40-1 and the closest to me was 7-2 and it's really not because I am an exceptional sniper, it's because most weren't doing their vanilla AR job.

[quote=loumanchew]Seeing someone close to an unguarded objective is even worse.

Did you ever get off your perch and go hack an objective? I do. When possible I'll stick close to one objective and try and cover as many of the others as I can. Yeah, having a team full of blueberries that can't push an objective is seriously irritating. Seeing someone close to an unguarded objective is even worse.

I snipe 99% of the time.

I use the Ishukone Rifle because I like it.

The noise from the Charge Sniper is just too irritating to bear.

I don't know why it don't use the Kaalakiota more than I do.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Damage output of the Sniper Rifle.

There is no need for a Nerf or a Buff.

The Sniper Rifle is a OHK weapon against certain Suits and Suit Loadouts.

Sniping in DUST514 is not about K/DR, it's not about being some OHKilling machine.

If you can't kill people using the Sniper Rifle then put it down and walk away.

The only gripes I have with the sniper rifle are:

The bloody awful render distance. It is absolutely terrible.
The Half-Merc. problem, can we hold the attack until all the concrete is dry please..
I need one more damn round in my Mag., just one, not asking for much, one small round, 6 round Mag. please. (boom, boom, boom, not so smart now ******, boom, you're gonna die matey, boom, oh yes.., CLICK, Noooo.)

Do you know what DPS means?

High damage-Low ROF weapons have low DPS (Charged sniper rifle) Low damage-High ROF weapons have high DPS

The AR could have a DPS of 1,000,000 if it had damage of 1, and a ROF of 1,000,000. The reason the AR has higher DPS than a Sniper rifle is because it has a high ROF.

If you want a 2 shot kill sniper rifle, go get a Thale.

Enough .... any buffing to the Sniper Rifle have to come "AFTER" CCP fix the red-line problem, its bad enough already.

Base Camping is a Game Killer.

After reading through a few posts re AR DPS i've seen that the average dps of a STD AR is around 446 DPS and i'd like to make a comparison between these STD lvl weapons v the PROTO Charge Rifle

with 321.3 base damage and a 4 second charge time between shots that puts the PROTO lvl Charge rifle at
160.65 DPS for 2 shots
120.4875 DPS for 3 shots
107.1 DPS for 4 shots
100.4 DPS for 5 shots

and then a reload .. I know AR users will QQ about distance etc but this is a huge difference in damage when we get to proto lvl gear, based on the average eHP at proto lvl being 600 with a huge percentage of that being shield tankers to which Rifles now do 90% to shields you can reduce the initial base damage of 321.3 by a straight 10% for the 1st shot as they have to hit shields 1st which puts the actual base damage below 300 and clearly shows just how broken the Sniper rifle is.

I'd like to make a proposal, increase the charge time between shots to a straight 8 seconds and double the damage and the DPS becomes this :-

642 DPS for 1 shot
160.65 for 2 shots
120.4875 for 3 shots

Without the stopping power of the 1st shot the whole concept of a PROTO lvl Charge Rifle becomes flawed, they have a significant disadvantage DPS which equates to being nearly 1/3rd weaker than a standard lvl AR so in all honesty either increase the delay time between shots and increase the stopping power of the weapon or remove the delay between shots because seeing as you have to hit most ppl 2/3 times currently to kill them that basically means the average kill for a sniper is over a period of 8 seconds and 120 dps is far to UP .. people will say Sniper rifles aren;t supposed to be DPS .. yes they aren't supposed to be DPS they are supposed to be OHK weapons and if OHK isn;t a viable option because all the protobear AR users will QQ then you need to improve the DPS of the weapon significantly.

That 642 base damage wont kill heavy users in 1 shot and probably wont kill most assault/logi suits with any kind of shield on them in 1 shot but it will mean that if you hit a medium suit user in the head you will more than likely kill them which is how it should be and dont forget we are talking about a PROTO lvl sniper rifle here and i feel the damage of the sniper rifles scales appallingly and dont forget I'm only comparing this PROTO lvl weapon to STD AR's the difference is even greater compared to PROTO lvl AR's .. sniper rifles need some love and b4 anyone says you need to work with another sniper or use tactics ... even 2 charge rifle users have 642 DPS for 1 shot each combined and 321.3 DPS for 2 shots each ... thats 2 people with proto lvl weapons unable to kill shield tankers and heavies with 2 shots ..

Hopefully ppl will respond with something constructive and any responses which are basically a straight 'No' or that they shouldn't have anything done to improve them clearly have no idea what they are talking about and will be straight up ignored.

Thanks for reading

I take it you don't know what counter snipers are used for. You probably don't like tanks because your AR wont kill them either. learn to play as a team and quit thinking your supposed to be able to kill everything with one suit fitting. Next time you get mad because a sniper takes you out from his red-line base camp pick up a sniper rifle and snipe him back or do you lack the skill to shoot a stationary target from 400m. Option 2 stay in cover and do all your fighting inside buildings or do you lack that skill too. Option 3 tell sniper teammate location of said red-line sniper and have someone else take care of it. That sounds like your best bet because I don't think you have the skill for the other 2 Game Killer fixes.

Snipers need CCP to address the building problems. front line mercs run inside building and never come out into the open field for snipers to shoot them. Maybe snipers should be able to shot through walls to fix this problem because it is a game killer when 90% of the enemy team is fighting inside buildings where I can't hit them. WWWWWWWWWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

The real game killer is those that think someone playing a different class and different play style is supposed to drop their game and play it your way to make it fun for you.

I take it you don't know what counter snipers are used for.

The real game killer is those that think someone playing a different class and different play style is supposed to drop their game and play it your way to make it fun for you.

yesterday I was in an engagement with 3 AR users, and 2 flay lockers were chasing me down across hilly open ground at about 150m after killing the rest of the blue dots around me.


The closest range I can effectively shoot you with my charged rifle is about 65m, it takes me abut 1.4 seconds to line up a shot on a target. I killed 4 of the 5 while falling back, and then the flay locker ran out of ammo, but I also was down to my last shot in my charged rifle, so I called in an lav while he dropped a nano hive while we fought each other with smgs, I drove about 400 meters past him hopped out and finished him off with my last shot.

there's a story or two like that for every single game I ground snipe. I seldom call it boring, unless I want it to be boring and sit in the hills all game, which I do for a change of pace once in awhile I guess....

So I have to drop being an AR guy (because that's fun for me) To go and counter snipe you??? Its totally ok for Assault troops to have to switch to sniper suits to counter snipers, but its not ok for Snipers having to adapt and deal with assault suits?? That's the most hypocritical thing ive ever read on these forums.

can some one tell me how many damage multipliers you can fit before the penalty becomes to great to be worth it