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calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.07.10 12:15:00 -
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well the draw distance should be the first priority for fixing sniper rifles.
the weapon is balanced around it's ability to kill at a distance we should be able to easily fire at that distance.
so that's problem 1.
problem 2 is the lack of a variable scope on the long range rifles which would improve our accuracy at various ranges.
the sniper rifle in dust is not the sniper rifle from other games, it's a burst damage weapon, I fear for the future of the weapon when advanced suits come along, but we'll cross that bridge when we get their. |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 12:54:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:
I have tried sniping in Dust, I consider it just barely a step above AFKing honestly. And Yes it is easy, first time I tried the Covenant sniper rifle I got a 314m headshot, admittedly hitting the head was shear luck, but simply hitting him was easy. I'm sorry but Dust is EZ mode sniping compared to BF3.
I don't care how detailed a snipers Intel is I'd much rather have that spot filled with someone on the front lines moving with the squad.
hmmm....I don't know how to put it really....
the worst snipers in this game learn only one tactic, this tactic is the suppression of lanes tactics. When a snipers sits at one spot all game and keeps his rifle pointed in the general areas, eventually people stop going to those areas because they know they will die. this tactic is all right but generally useless since most bad snipers don't even know they are doing it, thus don't apply it to useful areas, they simply apply it to high traffic areas for a large kdr.
suppressing points is the next most commonly applied tactic, it's not too different from what I just mentioned but you apply it to areas where the enemy can't avoid, this results in kills and it makes it easier for your team to defend, though they rarely see it happen. The defenders will think they had an easy time defending against that 1 guy, they just didn't see the fact that you dropped 1or 2 of the guys on their way there.
the tactic I see literally nobody learn is ground sniping, this is where you use evasive tactics and quick thinking to keep engagements at your optimal range, you stay mobile and don't stay in any one location for very long, you move with your squad when necessary, and help them take locations when need be, your squad and team is your red line, the enemy will know exactly where you are but be unable to get to you because your team is in front of you.
experiences fills a lot of the other issues with bad sniping that simply need to be learned, like positioning and how to beat counter snipers, when to move, and where not to go, locating enemy snipers, etc. all things the casual sniper will get the basics of, but just won't get good at.
the reason nobody learns how to be a useful sniper is because it's so easy to be a cost effective sniper. |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:17:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:
you absolutely don't have the same rush of battle or fear for your life.... so lets just say that while it can be 'hard', and useful, it's not exactly the same as putting your ass on the frontlines in an expensive dropsuit.
yesterday I was in an engagement with 3 AR users, and 2 flay lockers were chasing me down across open ground at about 150m after killing the rest of the blue dots around me.
The closest range I can effectively shoot you with my charged rifle is about 65m, it takes me abut 1.4 seconds to line up a shot on a target. I killed 4 of the 5 while falling back, and then the flay locker ran out of ammo, but I also was down to my last shot in my charged rifle, so I called in jeep while he dropped a nano hive, I drove about 400 meters past him hopped out and finished him off.
there's a story or two like that for every single game I ground snipe. I seldom call it boring, unless I want it to be boring.
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:34:00 -
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Rinzler XVII wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:aim for the head, learn to shoot faster. only need 2 shots for most stuff, how many of my AR bullets do I got to land?
and I love how you said increasing it to 600 dps would not 1 shot heavies or most shield assault or logis lol. Charge Sniper Rifle, requires 4 seconds to charge in between shots, please explain to me how I can shoot faster than what I do now when I have to wait to charge the weapon for 4 seconds b4 I can shoot a second time ??? Seriously read the post fully before making such a stupid comment plus at proto lvl most ppl have over 600 EHp and right now with the 90% to shield nerf that means even a headshot isn't good enough to get a kill or sometimes even take away someone shields, requiring 2 headshots to kill someone in a medium suit is ridiculous, how can you possibly argue that everything is fine ?
technically it takes 2 seconds to half charge. this will do minimal damage but if the first shot leaves a target half dead this can be enough to finish them off.
also you can fire at any point after it's half charged. so the key to firing the second shot is to wait till the last possible second to get the most out of it, obviously they will be moving for cover, and this is what I'm referring to by the last possible second.
so indeed it is possible to get the second shot in faster f that's enough to finish them off, which it often is if you head shot on the first shot. |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:40:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Rinzler XVII wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:aim for the head, learn to shoot faster. only need 2 shots for most stuff, how many of my AR bullets do I got to land?
and I love how you said increasing it to 600 dps would not 1 shot heavies or most shield assault or logis lol. Charge Sniper Rifle, requires 4 seconds to charge in between shots, please explain to me how I can shoot faster than what I do now when I have to wait to charge the weapon for 4 seconds b4 I can shoot a second time ??? Seriously read the post fully before making such a stupid comment plus at proto lvl most ppl have over 600 EHp and right now with the 90% to shield nerf that means even a headshot isn't good enough to get a kill or sometimes even take away someone shields, requiring 2 headshots to kill someone in a medium suit is ridiculous, how can you possibly argue that everything is fine ? how can you shoot fasterr, pick up another proto varient.. wow so hard. the charged variant is meant to be a high dmg slow rof. did you know, it used to have the EXACT same stats as it does now and be a lvl 1 gun? Did you know it is the cheapest proto gun in the game? and 2 headshots with a charge to kill.. lmfao ok
did you know the price went up to 47k yesterday, thus making it not the cheapest proto gun, did you know the stats weren't exactly the same, as they increased the cpu and pg by about 80 and 12, did you know it used to do 195% damage on a head shot instead of it's current amount thus making the damage different then it was back then. did you know every person and their dog wasn't wearing proto armor back then. did you know back then we could fire over 1000m for cross map kils and now we can't see 1000m let alone shoot that far.. |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 13:51:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:calisk galern wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:Rinzler XVII wrote:Knightshade Belladonna wrote:aim for the head, learn to shoot faster. only need 2 shots for most stuff, how many of my AR bullets do I got to land?
and I love how you said increasing it to 600 dps would not 1 shot heavies or most shield assault or logis lol. Charge Sniper Rifle, requires 4 seconds to charge in between shots, please explain to me how I can shoot faster than what I do now when I have to wait to charge the weapon for 4 seconds b4 I can shoot a second time ??? Seriously read the post fully before making such a stupid comment plus at proto lvl most ppl have over 600 EHp and right now with the 90% to shield nerf that means even a headshot isn't good enough to get a kill or sometimes even take away someone shields, requiring 2 headshots to kill someone in a medium suit is ridiculous, how can you possibly argue that everything is fine ? how can you shoot fasterr, pick up another proto varient.. wow so hard. the charged variant is meant to be a high dmg slow rof. did you know, it used to have the EXACT same stats as it does now and be a lvl 1 gun? Did you know it is the cheapest proto gun in the game? and 2 headshots with a charge to kill.. lmfao ok did you know the price went up to 47k yesterday, thus making it not the cheapest proto gun, did you know the stats weren't exactly the same, as they increased the cpu and pg by about 80 and 12, did you know it used to do 195% damage on a head shot instead of it's current amount thus making the damage different then it was back then. did you know every person and their dog wasn't wearing proto armor back then. did you know back then we could fire over 1000m for cross map kills. congrats on the price increase, about damn time. Sorry for not knowing it was changed YESTERDAY. and what is it's current amount on a headshot? because I headshot with a nt-11 quite often, and when it's a head shot they don't keep moving. maybe you didn't actually hit him in the head?? I'm not even going to argue anymore really because I just woke up and can't think straight. so i'll just leave you with this.. your idea sucks, no it won't happen, have a good day
my ideas? this isn't my thread ^^;;
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:01:00 -
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NPA SAMAR wrote:, also ive never claimed to be a sniper ive got zero sp in sniping , I ain t a troll I just saying sniping in this game takes absolutly no skill so carry on crying moar "mr sniper" I did read and understand your full post, tell me sniping takes any skill at all and your full of ****
hmmm.....sounds like a racist honestly.
it's so easy to picture him talking about black people or something like this. |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:02:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:My bad calisk, with how fast you came at me with that post and the whining tone it carrier I thought it was the OP. well, the OP idea sucks, and no it won't happen
I agree. |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:15:00 -
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NPA SAMAR wrote:calisk galern wrote:NPA SAMAR wrote:, also ive never claimed to be a sniper ive got zero sp in sniping , I ain t a troll I just saying sniping in this game takes absolutly no skill so carry on crying moar "mr sniper" I did read and understand your full post, tell me sniping takes any skill at all and your full of **** hmmm.....sounds like a racist honestly. it's so easy to picture him talking about black people or something like this. Im mixed race so wtf are you about ill give you the benefit of the doupt and say you must be ******** instead of plain ignorant
i'm taking in reference to the class, you hate snipers, and won't listen to reason, you make generalizations about the people who play the class, it's role on the battlefield, and their contributions to the game, worse you assume you are betetr then them and which ever role you play on the battlefield is superior to them in every way.. racist is obviously the wrong term, but theirs no such thing as a classist so it was the closest thing that came to mind.
you openly admit to not playing the class or having any understanding about how the class operates. which means at best you were a sniper in the past before it's gone through multiple changes, at worst you have only ever been a casual kdr sniper and have never been even close to a useful sniper. |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 14:32:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:calisk galern wrote:
@reav yes this thread has gon down hill pretty quickly, guess it's time to move on.
It was never very high to begin with... sniper dps.. i mean really 
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Posted - 2013.07.10 15:15:00 -
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loumanchew wrote:It makes me laugh when I see people saying snipers do not contribute to objective based maps. Last night in a domination I watched the entire match how little the infantry was doing to actually push the objective while I kept sweeping it clean over and over and over for them and they did nothing. They were just hiding behind a container holding each other's hands. We lost the match but it sure wasn't the sniper's fault. For the record I went 40-1 and the closest to me was 7-2 and it's really not because I am an exceptional sniper, it's because most weren't doing their vanilla AR job.
eh it's not really just objective maps, I out kill the ar's in ambushes all the time, I also remove alot of the flaylockers that give most of the ar users so many headaches. |
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Posted - 2013.07.10 19:16:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Quote:I take it you don't know what counter snipers are used for. Quote:The real game killer is those that think someone playing a different class and different play style is supposed to drop their game and play it your way to make it fun for you. So I have to drop being an AR guy (because that's fun for me) To go and counter snipe you??? Its totally ok for Assault troops to have to switch to sniper suits to counter snipers, but its not ok for Snipers having to adapt and deal with assault suits?? That's the most hypocritical thing ive ever read on these forums.
those quotes are a bit out of content so i'm unsure who said them but i'll try to comment anyway.
the second of the two quotes sounds more along the lines of other players calling something OP simply because they can't deal said weapon. he's not really saying that using adaptive fits is a bad thing.
I'm a main sniper, I have a swarm launcher AV fit, and a flay lock fit for close range engagements, and just to mix things up.
my opinion is as such, one fit CANNOT do it all, and other fits are required to deal with different scenarios.
sniper>flaylock>AR>AV>HAV>Sniper kind of deal, seriously though don't try to quote me on that example. |
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