After reading through a few posts re AR DPS i've seen that the average dps of a STD AR is around 446 DPS and i'd like to make a comparison between these STD lvl weapons v the PROTO Charge Rifle

with 321.3 base damage and a 4 second charge time between shots that puts the PROTO lvl Charge rifle at
160.65 DPS for 2 shots
120.4875 DPS for 3 shots
107.1 DPS for 4 shots
100.4 DPS for 5 shots

and then a reload .. I know AR users will QQ about distance etc but this is a huge difference in damage when we get to proto lvl gear, based on the average eHP at proto lvl being 600 with a huge percentage of that being shield tankers to which Rifles now do 90% to shields you can reduce the initial base damage of 321.3 by a straight 10% for the 1st shot as they have to hit shields 1st which puts the actual base damage below 300 and clearly shows just how broken the Sniper rifle is.

I'd like to make a proposal, increase the charge time between shots to a straight 8 seconds and double the damage and the DPS becomes this :-

642 DPS for 1 shot
160.65 for 2 shots
120.4875 for 3 shots

Without the stopping power of the 1st shot the whole concept of a PROTO lvl Charge Rifle becomes flawed, they have a significant disadvantage DPS which equates to being nearly 1/3rd weaker than a standard lvl AR so in all honesty either increase the delay time between shots and increase the stopping power of the weapon or remove the delay between shots because seeing as you have to hit most ppl 2/3 times currently to kill them that basically means the average kill for a sniper is over a period of 8 seconds and 120 dps is far to UP .. people will say Sniper rifles aren;t supposed to be DPS .. yes they aren't supposed to be DPS they are supposed to be OHK weapons and if OHK isn;t a viable option because all the protobear AR users will QQ then you need to improve the DPS of the weapon significantly.

That 642 base damage wont kill heavy users in 1 shot and probably wont kill most assault/logi suits with any kind of shield on them in 1 shot but it will mean that if you hit a medium suit user in the head you will more than likely kill them which is how it should be and dont forget we are talking about a PROTO lvl sniper rifle here and i feel the damage of the sniper rifles scales appallingly and dont forget I'm only comparing this PROTO lvl weapon to STD AR's the difference is even greater compared to PROTO lvl AR's .. sniper rifles need some love and b4 anyone says you need to work with another sniper or use tactics ... even 2 charge rifle users have 642 DPS for 1 shot each combined and 321.3 DPS for 2 shots each ... thats 2 people with proto lvl weapons unable to kill shield tankers and heavies with 2 shots ..

Hopefully ppl will respond with something constructive and any responses which are basically a straight 'No' or that they shouldn't have anything done to improve them clearly have no idea what they are talking about and will be straight up ignored.

Thanks for reading

You're asking for a sniper rifle that will OHK 75-80% of fits used by most player's. I wouldn't be so opposed if they weren't a hitscan weapon and actually required leading and compensation for projectile travel.

Is it not good enough for you that in most matches you are nearly unreachable from whatever perch you may choose, and that as such those who wish to engage you must grab a sniper rifle and engage you on your terms? Even if there are a few snipers on the opposing team you still have fewer threats to deal with than frontline infantry.

If you think a 640 damage Sniper is "OK" then I urge you to spend one day as frontline infantry and see just how annoying you pesky snipers already are and how easy you have it up on your perch.

This character is my main a logibro, i know exactly what its like being on the frontline and have been killed many times by snipers however I know exactly how difficult it is to get kills with a Sniper rifle and instead of QQ about being killed by a sniper I accept that I clearly wasn't using cover/it was my fault I got killed because if getting hit the 1st time didn't get me running for cover then i deserved to be killed by the second shot ... im used to being killed by snipers and not knowing who the hell killed me or from what direction they killed me and i strongly believe that is what a sniper rifles role is supposed to be and dont forget im talking about a PROTO lvl sniper rifle, I think you should actually try being a sniper and see just how hard it can be to get kills and how much skill it actually takes to kill a moving target from 400m + when your looking at a few pixels in your scope .. its not as easy as you think .. anyone can be a sniper, not everyone can be a good sniper .. I spend most of my time giving recon to my squad telling them who's at what , what enemies are doing, how many of them their are, what suits/weapons they are using and I dont get a single WP for doing any of that .. PS ppl become invisible after 500m on a sniper scope despite their range being well in excess of that ... imagine if you couldn't see enemies 50m away even though your range was 100m ...

+1 draw distance and variable scopes.

I don't think CCP should attempt to really balance this weapon to such a large degree as you propose (doubling damage) with those two issues oustanding. I have spent time sniping and while it can be challenging to get kills, you absolutely don't have the same rush of battle or fear for your life.... so lets just say that while it can be 'hard', and useful, it's not exactly the same as putting your ass on the frontlines in an expensive dropsuit.

There was another post in the feedback section about sniper rifle damage. My preference from that thread was to increase base damage on rifles by some small amount (I think it was 10%) and increase head shot damage to 200% or so and see where that takes things.

I have tried sniping in Dust, I consider it just barely a step above AFKing honestly. And Yes it is easy, first time I tried the Covenant sniper rifle I got a 314m headshot, admittedly hitting the head was shear luck, but simply hitting him was easy. I'm sorry but Dust is EZ mode sniping compared to BF3.

I don't care how detailed a snipers Intel is I'd much rather have that spot filled with someone on the front lines moving with the squad.

There is absolutley no skill what so ever in sniping in this game and you want it easier little big planet is that way needs realistic bullet drop and not piont click I win... headshots for 1hit kills only exept maybe proto snipe v malitia/standard suits, advance and proto should not be one hit killed to anything less than a proto sniperheadshot my 4yr old son has no problems sniping with a malitia sr,That tells me its easymode piont click you have been 1hk of a 4 yr old toddler lol

Comparing DPS (damage per second) of an AR and a sniper rifle is probably one of the weirdest, idiotic thing i've seen.

My Proto assault forge gun has about 800-1000dps... do you see a problem with your argument yet?

you absolutely don't have the same rush of battle or fear for your life.... so lets just say that while it can be 'hard', and useful, it's not exactly the same as putting your ass on the frontlines in an expensive dropsuit.

Comparing DPS (damage per second) of an AR and a sniper rifle is probably one of the weirdest, idiotic thing i've seen.

aim for the head, learn to shoot faster. only need 2 shots for most stuff, how many of my AR bullets do I got to land?

and I love how you said increasing it to 600 dps would not 1 shot heavies or most shield assault or logis lol.

This character is my main a logibro, i know exactly what its like being on the frontline and have been killed many times by snipers however I know exactly how difficult it is to get kills with a Sniper rifle and instead of QQ about being killed by a sniper I accept that I clearly wasn't using cover/it was my fault I got killed because if getting hit the 1st time didn't get me running for cover then i deserved to be killed by the second shot ... im used to being killed by snipers and not knowing who the hell killed me or from what direction they killed me and i strongly believe that is what a sniper rifles role is supposed to be and dont forget im talking about a PROTO lvl sniper rifle, I think you should actually try being a sniper and see just how hard it can be to get kills and how much skill it actually takes to kill a moving target from 400m + when your looking at a few pixels in your scope .. its not as easy as you think .. anyone can be a sniper, not everyone can be a good sniper .. I spend most of my time giving recon to my squad telling them who's at what , what enemies are doing, how many of them their are, what suits/weapons they are using and I dont get a single WP for doing any of that .. PS ppl become invisible after 500m on a sniper scope despite their range being well in excess of that ... imagine if you couldn't see enemies 50m away even though your range was 100m ...

this. Who the hell gives a flying **** about "DPS" on a sniper rifle?

Charge Sniper Rifle, requires 4 seconds to charge in between shots, please explain to me how I can shoot faster than what I do now when I have to wait to charge the weapon for 4 seconds b4 I can shoot a second time ??? Seriously read the post fully before making such a stupid comment plus at proto lvl most ppl have over 600 EHp and right now with the 90% to shield nerf that means even a headshot isn't good enough to get a kill or sometimes even take away someone shields, requiring 2 headshots to kill someone in a medium suit is ridiculous, how can you possibly argue that everything is fine ?

Charge Sniper Rifle, requires 4 seconds to charge in between shots, please explain to me how I can shoot faster than what I do now when I have to wait to charge the weapon for 4 seconds b4 I can shoot a second time ??? Seriously read the post fully before making such a stupid comment plus at proto lvl most ppl have over 600 EHp and right now with the 90% to shield nerf that means even a headshot isn't good enough to get a kill or sometimes even take away someone shields, requiring 2 headshots to kill someone in a medium suit is ridiculous, how can you possibly argue that everything is fine ?