DUST Search - Heavies need two nade slots

Laurent Cazaderon wrote:

HowDidThatTaste wrote:

I guess all I'm asking is, is the heavy you thought you were playing against?

HEAVY

The Heavy dropsuit is designed to withstand concentrated small arms fire and protect the wearer from low-grade explosives. Its power-assisted exoskeleton lets the wearer use the heaviest weapons available.

What heavy dropsuits lack in mobility they make up for with incomparable defenses. Mercenaries wearing such armor have been known to survive going toe-to-toe with enemy vehicles.

And this is the weapon you wield?

A multi-barrel, rotary drive machine gun, the HMG is a singularly devastating anti-infantry weapon. Eschewing the advantages of a lighter frame in favour of stopping power, the exponentially increased heat and vibration produced by this Boundless Creation developed weapon makes it almost unbearable to fire. Yet, despite this fact, its above average hit ratio and extreme rate of fire has earned it the nickname "Death's Engine."

Unlike earlier models, the weapon requires no spool up time; rounds are expelled the instant the trigger is pressed. This comes at the cost of initially reduced accuracy as the counter-rotating drives slowly align. Once fully aligned, however, the HMG produces a pin-point stream of gunfire with unmatched killing potential.

Understood?

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=51891&find=unread

Weapon damage model/HMG balance: We will be monitoring weapons damage and balancing carefully. We also have a set of various incremental changes to weapons in general (not just the HMG) that are being deployed immediately. CCP Remnant will be discussing this issue in this forum thread in greater detail and holding discussions about this issue, but hereGÇÖs the TL;DR version: In the next hot-fix weapons will all get a 10% damage increase to compensate for the removal of the Weaponry skill .

2nd Grenade slot ? Why ?
The main thing heavies need is more base HP. And a slight tweak to their turn speed. Purpose of tanks is to to swallow damage. Which they dont at the moment.

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Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 591	Posted - 2013.07.10 03:52:00 - [31] - Quote Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote: I'd perfer an equipment slot, because I hate spam. I had to post in this thread just because I couldn't not post to say that I lol'd at your name. funny ** man, funny **.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 257	Posted - 2013.07.10 03:54:00 - [32] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Let's face it we are grenade magnets and vehicle grill decorations. We need to be able to nade back! Heavies need two nade slots What are you going to sacrifice for a second grenade? sidearm? High Slot? Low slot? you can just get a second grenade without losing something.
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 129	Posted - 2013.07.10 03:59:00 - [33] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Knight SoIaire wrote: Pfft. Heavies need to stop complaining. no. till we get more suits and more weapons heavies should complain everyday tbh That's all we need proto heavy 3low slots two high slots with the strafing speed of a scout running flux nades, contact nades,complex heavy damage mod hmg, core faylock, side arm damage mod two complex kinetic cats, an complex armor repair lol gtfo.!
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 129	Posted - 2013.07.10 04:03:00 - [34] - Quote Lmfao you have unlimited grenades, ammo an health , it's called a logi........ Get one
HowDidThatTaste Internal Error. League of Infamy 3283	Posted - 2013.07.10 04:05:00 - [35] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Let's face it we are grenade magnets and vehicle grill decorations. We need to be able to nade back! Heavies need two nade slots What are you going to sacrifice for a second grenade? sidearm? High Slot? Low slot? you can just get a second grenade without losing something. CPU pg hell a slot
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. League of Infamy 3951	Posted - 2013.07.10 04:13:00 - [36] - Quote Just give me one high slot
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2666	Posted - 2013.07.10 04:53:00 - [37] - Quote Need a heavy specific grenade.... a mininuke like Fallout... problem solved.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Top Men. 1026	Posted - 2013.07.10 04:53:00 - [38] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Logi Bro wrote: I can't say I've ever seen a troll post from you before. No if you were being cereal. I'm trying to stay loyal to the heavy suit but loosing faith fast. We can't out run nades for the most part we can't out hop lavs. So I'm actually serious in this suggestion I need to be able to throw AV nades and also be able to throw reg nades against infantry. If the concern is nade spam from a heavy maybe limit the slots to one set AV one set locus. Actually Taste this is one of the times I must disagree with you. I don't think heavies need a dual nade setup. I believe 2 things will fix heavies. the first, and most important, is fixing armor tanking so that it is as viable as shield tanking. this solves 99% of our regular problems. The second I believe is an interesting idea: making the HMG do 75%-100% damage to light vehicles. This would make the HMG a hard counter to pancaking and LLAVs. Don't increase effectiveness against dropsuits, dropships or HAVs. When they are introduced, make then around 50% damage versus medium attack vehicles. Try to imagine a logi LAV driver who suddenly sees a heavy shaving off his precious vehicle's HP like a belt sander stripping paint with his .50 caliber minigun with micronuclear impact rounds.
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 590	Posted - 2013.07.10 05:38:00 - [39] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: I can't say I've ever seen a troll post from you before. No if you were being cereal. Super Cereal
calvin b Molon Labe. League of Infamy 14	Posted - 2013.07.10 06:14:00 - [40] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Make it a proto level requirement or another skill tree. But the heavy suit is loosing its uniquness when a logie can tank as much HP Well said. The truth is there is no low, middle, and high classes. Scout should be fast with low detection the logi is a medic or support, the assault is front line and versatile, the Heavy is slow death machine able to withstand both infantry and mechanical. Does this sound familiar, it should this is how each class is described by the DEV's. Ask yourself, Have I been lied to? You have as we all have and all we do is complain about this or that and it seems very few things are solved. When someone makes a suggestion as to two nade slots for a heavy, the ******ng begins from all sides. Cant we all agree to just listen and make suggestions instead of your suit is worse or better for this reason or that. Lets work together and make this game even greater and if the DEV's cant make it reality we can at least dream it.

Cormack's Modified Griefer Expert Intervention Caldari State 24	Posted - 2013.07.10 06:17:00 - [41] - Quote Mistake
Cormack's Modified Griefer Expert Intervention Caldari State 24	Posted - 2013.07.10 06:19:00 - [42] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote: I'd perfer an equipment slot, because I hate spam. I had to post in this thread just because I couldn't not post to say that I lol'd at your name. funny ** man, funny **. Send me your eve name, since I assume that's how you got the reference.
HowDidThatTaste Internal Error. League of Infamy 3287	Posted - 2013.07.10 09:13:00 - [43] - Quote I guess all I'm asking is, is the heavy you thought you were playing against? HEAVY The Heavy dropsuit is designed to withstand concentrated small arms fire and protect the wearer from low-grade explosives. Its power-assisted exoskeleton lets the wearer use the heaviest weapons available. What heavy dropsuits lack in mobility they make up for with incomparable defenses. Mercenaries wearing such armor have been known to survive going toe-to-toe with enemy vehicles. And this is the weapon you wield? A multi-barrel, rotary drive machine gun, the HMG is a singularly devastating anti-infantry weapon. Eschewing the advantages of a lighter frame in favour of stopping power, the exponentially increased heat and vibration produced by this Boundless Creation developed weapon makes it almost unbearable to fire. Yet, despite this fact, its above average hit ratio and extreme rate of fire has earned it the nickname "Death's Engine." Unlike earlier models, the weapon requires no spool up time; rounds are expelled the instant the trigger is pressed. This comes at the cost of initially reduced accuracy as the counter-rotating drives slowly align. Once fully aligned, however, the HMG produces a pin-point stream of gunfire with unmatched killing potential. Understood? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=51891&find=unread Weapon damage model/HMG balance: We will be monitoring weapons damage and balancing carefully. We also have a set of various incremental changes to weapons in general (not just the HMG) that are being deployed immediately. CCP Remnant will be discussing this issue in this forum thread in greater detail and holding discussions about this issue, but hereGÇÖs the TL;DR version: In the next hot-fix weapons will all get a 10% damage increase to compensate for the removal of the Weaponry skill bonus. GÇó HMG damage buffed to 18 HP (including aforementioned 10% increase) and given a 5% dispersion buff. GÇó In the near future, we will address range issues by removing the hard stop that currently takes place at maximum weapon range. The updates to this are going out right now as I type this. You can analyze details of this using this spreadsheet here we provided from what launched May 6th with Uprising deployment, to this new one we are providing right now with all the updates here.
Laurent Cazaderon What The French CRONOS. 1793	Posted - 2013.07.10 09:18:00 - [44] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: I guess all I'm asking is, is the heavy you thought you were playing against? HEAVY The Heavy dropsuit is designed to withstand concentrated small arms fire and protect the wearer from low-grade explosives. Its power-assisted exoskeleton lets the wearer use the heaviest weapons available. What heavy dropsuits lack in mobility they make up for with incomparable defenses. Mercenaries wearing such armor have been known to survive going toe-to-toe with enemy vehicles. And this is the weapon you wield? A multi-barrel, rotary drive machine gun, the HMG is a singularly devastating anti-infantry weapon. Eschewing the advantages of a lighter frame in favour of stopping power, the exponentially increased heat and vibration produced by this Boundless Creation developed weapon makes it almost unbearable to fire. Yet, despite this fact, its above average hit ratio and extreme rate of fire has earned it the nickname "Death's Engine." Unlike earlier models, the weapon requires no spool up time; rounds are expelled the instant the trigger is pressed. This comes at the cost of initially reduced accuracy as the counter-rotating drives slowly align. Once fully aligned, however, the HMG produces a pin-point stream of gunfire with unmatched killing potential. Understood? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=51891&find=unread Weapon damage model/HMG balance: We will be monitoring weapons damage and balancing carefully. We also have a set of various incremental changes to weapons in general (not just the HMG) that are being deployed immediately. CCP Remnant will be discussing this issue in this forum thread in greater detail and holding discussions about this issue, but hereGÇÖs the TL;DR version: In the next hot-fix weapons will all get a 10% damage increase to compensate for the removal of the Weaponry skill . 2nd Grenade slot ? Why ? The main thing heavies need is more base HP. And a slight tweak to their turn speed. Purpose of tanks is to to swallow damage. Which they dont at the moment.
HowDidThatTaste Internal Error. League of Infamy 3287	Posted - 2013.07.10 09:19:00 - [45] - Quote Did I read that right? Did it say low grade explosives? Go toe to toe against vehicles? Immune to side arms? You all play this game assuming this should be the intented role of the heavy. Yet anytime one speaks loudly . Insert comments below.
HowDidThatTaste Internal Error. League of Infamy 3287	Posted - 2013.07.10 09:23:00 - [46] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: I guess all I'm asking is, is the heavy you thought you were playing against? HEAVY The Heavy dropsuit is designed to withstand concentrated small arms fire and protect the wearer from low-grade explosives. Its power-assisted exoskeleton lets the wearer use the heaviest weapons available. What heavy dropsuits lack in mobility they make up for with incomparable defenses. Mercenaries wearing such armor have been known to survive going toe-to-toe with enemy vehicles. And this is the weapon you wield? A multi-barrel, rotary drive machine gun, the HMG is a singularly devastating anti-infantry weapon. Eschewing the advantages of a lighter frame in favour of stopping power, the exponentially increased heat and vibration produced by this Boundless Creation developed weapon makes it almost unbearable to fire. Yet, despite this fact, its above average hit ratio and extreme rate of fire has earned it the nickname "Death's Engine." Unlike earlier models, the weapon requires no spool up time; rounds are expelled the instant the trigger is pressed. This comes at the cost of initially reduced accuracy as the counter-rotating drives slowly align. Once fully aligned, however, the HMG produces a pin-point stream of gunfire with unmatched killing potential. Understood? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=51891&find=unread Weapon damage model/HMG balance: We will be monitoring weapons damage and balancing carefully. We also have a set of various incremental changes to weapons in general (not just the HMG) that are being deployed immediately. CCP Remnant will be discussing this issue in this forum thread in greater detail and holding discussions about this issue, but hereGÇÖs the TL;DR version: In the next hot-fix weapons will all get a 10% damage increase to compensate for the removal of the Weaponry skill . 2nd Grenade slot ? Why ? The main thing heavies need is more base HP. And a slight tweak to their turn speed. Purpose of tanks is to to swallow damage. Which they dont at the moment. Hmmmm? OK what happened to the rest? Turn speed? Swallow damage? Better than a Cal logi? HP is the heavies go to distinction? Please read the rest of the post above. What happened to toe. To toe? What happened to immune to sidearms?
HowDidThatTaste Internal Error. League of Infamy 3287	Posted - 2013.07.10 09:28:00 - [47] - Quote Its just an idea crap on it all you want. The heavy needs something. A heavy grenade that does damage to both is a viable idea!
oso tiburon The Generals EoN. 144	Posted - 2013.07.10 11:30:00 - [48] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Let's face it we are grenade magnets and vehicle grill decorations. We need to be able to nade back! Heavies need two nade slots or at least x2 ammo count
oso tiburon The Generals EoN. 144	Posted - 2013.07.10 11:33:00 - [49] - Quote Laurent Cazaderon wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: I guess all I'm asking is, is the heavy you thought you were playing against? HEAVY The Heavy dropsuit is designed to withstand concentrated small arms fire and protect the wearer from low-grade explosives. Its power-assisted exoskeleton lets the wearer use the heaviest weapons available. What heavy dropsuits lack in mobility they make up for with incomparable defenses. Mercenaries wearing such armor have been known to survive going toe-to-toe with enemy vehicles. And this is the weapon you wield? A multi-barrel, rotary drive machine gun, the HMG is a singularly devastating anti-infantry weapon. Eschewing the advantages of a lighter frame in favour of stopping power, the exponentially increased heat and vibration produced by this Boundless Creation developed weapon makes it almost unbearable to fire. Yet, despite this fact, its above average hit ratio and extreme rate of fire has earned it the nickname "Death's Engine." Unlike earlier models, the weapon requires no spool up time; rounds are expelled the instant the trigger is pressed. This comes at the cost of initially reduced accuracy as the counter-rotating drives slowly align. Once fully aligned, however, the HMG produces a pin-point stream of gunfire with unmatched killing potential. Understood? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=51891&find=unread Weapon damage model/HMG balance: We will be monitoring weapons damage and balancing carefully. We also have a set of various incremental changes to weapons in general (not just the HMG) that are being deployed immediately. CCP Remnant will be discussing this issue in this forum thread in greater detail and holding discussions about this issue, but hereGÇÖs the TL;DR version: In the next hot-fix weapons will all get a 10% damage increase to compensate for the removal of the Weaponry skill . 2nd Grenade slot ? Why ? The main thing heavies need is more base HP. And a slight tweak to their turn speed. Purpose of tanks is to to swallow damage. Which they dont at the moment. heres my question my suit is big i mean big ok so that leaves alot of room for generators and shield things ok why is it a scout or assult shield go up like boom .. i was watching a team mate telling to to give it a minute that his shields were lo..... and their back
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 269	Posted - 2013.07.10 11:40:00 - [50] - Quote Nothing is enough with you guys.. always want more. The Commando suit sucks big time.. But hey !! lets add another grenade slot to the already OP suit...that is far more important, because you guys need to get kills alot faster and easier ...

castba Penguin's March 24	Posted - 2013.07.10 13:32:00 - [51] - Quote XxWarlordxX97 wrote: Just give me one more high slot Agreed, but only for sentinel (gotta have some incentive to spec into them).
Knightshade Belladonna Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 583	Posted - 2013.07.10 13:38:00 - [52] - Quote We are ALL grenade magnets lol
steadyhand amarr Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 860	Posted - 2013.07.10 13:47:00 - [53] - Quote Iv just moved back to heavy suits as I feel they are now viable again since the imimprovements and I got to stay if your having verc issues... Bring a forge. :-P
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. League of Infamy 63	Posted - 2013.07.10 16:09:00 - [54] - Quote Disagree. Being slow is our achilles heel. Keeps us balanced. If they fix damage from LAV's impacting suits somehow we will all be better off. Perhapsdo a percentage of damage based on speed of the vehicle capped out at "x" damage. And perhaps allow kills on suits with lower hp but faster movement/jump and those with the ability to avoid the LAV in the first place. Heavies inability to avoid LAV's is our slow speed, which is a counter to our high HP, and we have these HP which means nothing when being run over by murdertaxi. Rock, paper, where is the scissor? Heavies can eat a locus nade for bfast and keep it moving. Flux gndaes leave us vulnerable for ~ 10 seconds before our shields start coming back, unless you run regulators. But we still have about 506-900 lolarmor HP after that. Given the current state of armor, and it's numerous drawbacks (explosives and speed reduction) it creates a double edged sword. I fear flux nades more than locus tbh. Adjust movement in general, LAV's, armor. That's what I would like to see tweaked. Overall Heavies ain't that bad right now, we have seen worse and better days.
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. League of Infamy 3952	Posted - 2013.07.10 16:17:00 - [55] - Quote castba wrote: XxWarlordxX97 wrote: Just give me one more high slot Agreed, but only for sentinel (gotta have some incentive to spec into them). No for the basic and the sentinel
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 326	Posted - 2013.07.10 16:17:00 - [56] - Quote No, they don't.
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. League of Infamy 3952	Posted - 2013.07.10 16:18:00 - [57] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: We are ALL grenade magnets lol giving heavies 2 nade slots will only make it worse People who just spec in nades will like it
XxWarlordxX97 Internal Error. League of Infamy 3952	Posted - 2013.07.10 16:18:00 - [58] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: No, they don't. ?
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1105	Posted - 2013.07.10 16:30:00 - [59] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Let's face it we are grenade magnets and vehicle grill decorations. We need to be able to made back! Heavies need two nade slots I think 1 slot is enough, but just my opinion. Respecting your opinion but why? Do you play as a heavy? 1. You would only be able to throw one grenade at a time; stacking multiple AV nades wouldn't make you survive a single "road kill moment" are more effectively - it just makes you stay on the field longer when you do survive (without a resupply). By the same token, stacking multiple AP grenades would have the impact of making you even more butch when defending objectives, effectively giving you what I would see as a 50% power upgrade since each nade has the ability to taking out multiple targets at once. 2. Sentinels already have extra HP to get them to stay in the battle longer past a single engagement. 3. By design, the Sentinel suit is meant to defend areas, and not move from objective to objective; if the primary concern is getting from objective to objective safely (and not be roadkill), there are other mechanics already built into the game to help you do so - specifically your own LAV. Deployment times for vehicles is now about 3 seconds instead of 15-30, so the delay in deployment is negligible 4.Additional slots will unbalance the suit making it harder to kill. Given that this is one of the harder suits to kill as is (I've fought against you, and seen what you can do alone, not to mention when you are paired up with one of your friends or another heavy), there would have to be something to compensate for the added power you wield. What would you propose doing to offset the extra power bump you are getting for a fairly balanced suit? You don't have an equipment slot to lose. Would you give up the sidearm perhaps? I have played heavy, admittedly not recently. I joined the beta in May 2012, so I can say with confidence that the current iteration of the Sentinel is the most balanced as it stands. (leaving HMG out of the equation - which by the way if you are suggesting this as a way to offset the recent downgrade in HMG I think this is the wrong way to do so - kudos to thinking outside the box for this issue though). Hope that explains my reasoning - let me know if you disagree with this and why. I am open to changing my opinion if given a reason to do so - especially since you are suggesting this change in good faith, and sine I respect your gameplay. -FD
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 175	Posted - 2013.07.10 16:34:00 - [60] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Its just an idea crap on it all you want. The heavy needs something. A heavy grenade that does damage to both is a viable idea! That makes more sense than the ability to spam bullets AND grenades



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