PI is a broken mechanic in eve online. it's passive income, and ccp is trying to remove all passive incomes. god i hope they do :)

THIS^^^^^^
this is the game I was hopping for when I bought a ps3..
I've never been so wrong..

What does PI have to do with controlling districts anyways? In PI you just bomb your Command Center on a planet and then you can place stuff anywhere on it.

I would like to see some kind of PI interaction for Dusties with pushing a modificator around for th ebeginning. Eve players should be able to buy a CRU and place that on a planet. Then they can link it with an extractor or even just extractor heads. Now they can put up a contract for Dusties to defend that extractor / extractor head. Now the Dusties will defend that Extractor /extractor head against a wave of CPU enemies. If the Dusties win the extractor will be more effective for a week or so. If they lose it will be less effective, at some point it even may be just destroyed. This would make sure that Eve players have to do more to keep PI running and getting profits. It will also include a risk, because they can now actually lose buildings. But on the other hand it would even possible to get a decent profit from blue or green planets.

They could even expand this. Enemy Eve players could make contracts for dusties to conquer a PI. Then the Eve player would get a notice and would have to make a contract for dusties which will defend the PI. These contracts can either be issued to a corp or to the general public (making them like FW matches). They could also issue contracts for a specific amount of players or contract single Dust players (this would be useful if they also have a Dust account and want to participate in the battle themselves).

Of course in every contract Eve players can determine how much money the Dusties get for losing and winning. I think this would be a great gameplay mode which allows more interaction between Eve and Dust.

This ... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83672&find=unread

*lots of space*

PI is a broken mechanic in eve online. it's passive income, and ccp is trying to remove all passive incomes. god i hope they do :)

Have you done PI? Its not very passive.

Basic single skirmish match, null cannons are shooting the installation or whatever, maybe cool animations from the EVE side with the planet shooting up at the POCO. Ideally, this could be expanded beyond temparate planets, it would kind of suck for the EVE players to not see value in this because it won't work on ice/molten whatever, but it could definitely be implemented for both barren/temparate planets without the need for new art assets.

Why not letting the Dust players fight on the station itself? I think the game needs some space station maps. And I also think it was already confirmed that CCP wants to add other planets like ice planets for example which require special Dropsuits or something like it.

Why not letting the Dust players fight on the station itself? I think the game needs some space station maps. And I also think it was already confirmed that CCP wants to add other planets like ice planets for example which require special Dropsuits or something like it.

To OSO

My point is that if they want to give Dust more power, and they want interaction, all planetary based actions should be in the realm of dust, and all space should be in the realm of EVE. PI is the only asset that is necessary for the EVE economy that is exclusively planetary. We take that, then we have a stake in the economy. POCO control would be ideal as a first step, and the rest of my idea hinges on a galactic scale of Dust.

To OSO

My point is that if they want to give Dust more power, and they want interaction, all planetary based actions should be in the realm of dust, and all space should be in the realm of EVE. PI is the only asset that is necessary for the EVE economy that is exclusively planetary. We take that, then we have a stake in the economy. POCO control would be ideal as a first step, and the rest of my idea hinges on a galactic scale of Dust.

This topic was clearly started because the OP wants industry to exist in Dust, and he isn't the only one, so telling us to do industry in EVE when we want to do it in Dust is rather misguided, to say the least.

I am waiting for the day when Dust mercs will be able to gather and move resources around, or drive a truckload full of assets to the space elevator for Dust-to-EVE transfers. Please bring industry to Dust CCP.

never gonna happen. That's what Eve is for.

Dust can't completely control PI as it would break EVE. PI is integral for things like tech 2 production and POS Fuel which means that if there weren't enough Dust players working on it, or certain Dust corps controlled the market etc it could make a lot of EVE corps and alliances unable to function.
The games need to work together but not be unable to function without one another. So instead you could have Dust battles affect PI on planets for example, having increased or decreased output etc, but putting the production of a certain resource integral to the function of important aspects of EVE would break the game and its economy.

Tallen ... remember we are MERCS not industrialists or entrepreneurs. Let the Eve Industrial Mongols create the stuff. All we need to do is hold them for ransom. This means taking over a POCO and charging tax on every shipment that goes through , with the added bonus of protecting their POCO from other SCUMBAG Mercs. Walla we have passive income without getting your hands dirty in PI.
If you want to be an industrialist ..then play Eve its an awesome game.

Us Mercs we do our talking with bullet spray ...

For those who don't know, Planetary interaction in EVE is where pilots drop command centers on planets, and then places buildings for resource acquisition, refining, and manufacturing. These goods are then sent back into space and sold on the market.

Can we just make planetary interaction to be far more Dust oriented? The resources it collects can still be managed from EVE, but the control of the area, and a share of the profits through taxes should be with mercs on the ground.

Make each district an actual area on the globe and only with permission or a tax can someone place buildings on it. This will make certain resource rich areas of the globe have more lucrative districts than others. It also means harvesting resources on the edge of a district can warrant aggression, as it will inherently harvest from nearby districts. This means a lot of contesting over resources.

More resources somewhere else on the planet? Lets negotiate to have a suitable tax and yield amount to the district owner. Or someone could hire a DUST merc corp to attack and take over the district and give them full benefits.

Does it need to be everywhere? No, start in Molden Heath, give a bonus to those who control the district they are harvesting from, and a penalty to non controlled ones (a penalty in yield and equipment taxes). District taxes on equipment, can be set by the merc corps, either raised to increase profitability, or lowered encourage more settlement for PI. The goods harvested and manufactured are still technically within the control of the EVE pilot, but having poor relations or hostile relations with the district owner can warrant the district owner to take certain actions.

A) Heavily taxing equipment in controlled territory, essentially setting up martial law. EVE players can still mine for resources, but the mercs get a huge share of the cut.
B) Seizing ground equipment in the district, making it unusable by anyone, possible handing over to other EVE players(ransom, or gifting) for their use.
C) Destroying equipment. This can warrant a new game mode, or mini game. Instead of simply seizing it, if a DUST corp wants an asset out of their district, in order to protect their districts resource acquisition, they can choose this option.

If they are friendly districts they may be able to increase CPU or PG of a district to supplement the capsuleers.

I still am unsure if I want building equipment in other districts to be outright prohibited unless given permission. I like the idea of leaving it free to place things anywhere like it is, but with more merc control of districts, making building in unfriendly lands a bad idea.

Now this will not go well with many PI people in EVE, but most are doing PI on the side, and this only limits their options in merc contested space. When the mercs move to new regions, the rest of EVE will have to accept that the ground belongs to those who fight for it. The PI economy will still be EVE oriented, but owning a district needs to have a significant consequence on PI, and EVE needs more reasons to care about DUST, or there is no point in any of this.

TL;DR
Give DUST corps control of EVERYTHING on the ground.

I'm not sure if you really understands what it takes in time to run 6 pilots all doing PI. On average there is no "side" PI only PI as a source of income or as a pittance. There is no real inbetween. If a player is doing PI for ISK then there is a lot of hauling which is time intensive as haulers move slow. Often with many jumps before reaching a suitable market and certainly is not a task to be undertaken by someone who doesn't even fly a spaceship. As for PI benefits for corps owning districts I absolutely agree, but until Dust happens in W-Space or Null Sec I would say no.

Edit:
On a side note, I do feel that Null sec and W-space would be the perfect place for vets to ply their trade vs sleeper rogue drones and such as well as have corp bases on planet where they can deploy and feel secure (relatively) in their own bases and corp hangouts.