DUST Search - In regards to the new PC devblog

Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:

What does PI have to do with controlling districts anyways? In PI you just bomb your Command Center on a planet and then you can place stuff anywhere on it.

I would like to see some kind of PI interaction for Dusties with pushing a modificator around for th ebeginning. Eve players should be able to buy a CRU and place that on a planet. Then they can link it with an extractor or even just extractor heads. Now they can put up a contract for Dusties to defend that extractor / extractor head. Now the Dusties will defend that Extractor /extractor head against a wave of CPU enemies. If the Dusties win the extractor will be more effective for a week or so. If they lose it will be less effective, at some point it even may be just destroyed. This would make sure that Eve players have to do more to keep PI running and getting profits. It will also include a risk, because they can now actually lose buildings. But on the other hand it would even possible to get a decent profit from blue or green planets.

They could even expand this. Enemy Eve players could make contracts for dusties to conquer a PI. Then the Eve player would get a notice and would have to make a contract for dusties which will defend the PI. These contracts can either be issued to a corp or to the general public (making them like FW matches). They could also issue contracts for a specific amount of players or contract single Dust players (this would be useful if they also have a Dust account and want to participate in the battle themselves).

Of course in every contract Eve players can determine how much money the Dusties get for losing and winning. I think this would be a great gameplay mode which allows more interaction between Eve and Dust.

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Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 202	Posted - 2013.07.09 19:03:00 - [1] - Quote For those who don't know, Planetary interaction in EVE is where pilots drop command centers on planets, and then places buildings for resource acquisition, refining, and manufacturing. These goods are then sent back into space and sold on the market. Can we just make planetary interaction to be far more Dust oriented? The resources it collects can still be managed from EVE, but the control of the area, and a share of the profits through taxes should be with mercs on the ground. Make each district an actual area on the globe and only with permission or a tax can someone place buildings on it. This will make certain resource rich areas of the globe have more lucrative districts than others. It also means harvesting resources on the edge of a district can warrant aggression, as it will inherently harvest from nearby districts. This means a lot of contesting over resources. More resources somewhere else on the planet? Lets negotiate to have a suitable tax and yield amount to the district owner. Or someone could hire a DUST merc corp to attack and take over the district and give them full benefits. Does it need to be everywhere? No, start in Molden Heath, give a bonus to those who control the district they are harvesting from, and a penalty to non controlled ones (a penalty in yield and equipment taxes). District taxes on equipment, can be set by the merc corps, either raised to increase profitability, or lowered encourage more settlement for PI. The goods harvested and manufactured are still technically within the control of the EVE pilot, but having poor relations or hostile relations with the district owner can warrant the district owner to take certain actions. A) Heavily taxing equipment in controlled territory, essentially setting up martial law. EVE players can still mine for resources, but the mercs get a huge share of the cut. B) Seizing ground equipment in the district, making it unusable by anyone, possible handing over to other EVE players(ransom, or gifting) for their use. C) Destroying equipment. This can warrant a new game mode, or mini game. Instead of simply seizing it, if a DUST corp wants an asset out of their district, in order to protect their districts resource acquisition, they can choose this option. If they are friendly districts they may be able to increase CPU or PG of a district to supplement the capsuleers. I still am unsure if I want building equipment in other districts to be outright prohibited unless given permission. I like the idea of leaving it free to place things anywhere like it is, but with more merc control of districts, making building in unfriendly lands a bad idea. Now this will not go well with many PI people in EVE, but most are doing PI on the side, and this only limits their options in merc contested space. When the mercs move to new regions, the rest of EVE will have to accept that the ground belongs to those who fight for it. The PI economy will still be EVE oriented, but owning a district needs to have a significant consequence on PI, and EVE needs more reasons to care about DUST, or there is no point in any of this. TL;DR Give DUST corps control of EVERYTHING on the ground.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 157	Posted - 2013.07.09 19:21:00 - [2] - Quote PI is a broken mechanic in eve online. it's passive income, and ccp is trying to remove all passive incomes. god i hope they do :)
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 205	Posted - 2013.07.09 19:32:00 - [3] - Quote low genius wrote: PI is a broken mechanic in eve online. it's passive income, and ccp is trying to remove all passive incomes. god i hope they do :) I think PI should be treated more as an economic bridge between EVE and DUST. This would have to come with an equally weighted EVE influence over DUST, such as troop transportation, orbitals only being available to those with a ship capable of firing them in space during the battle (no free OBs). EVE corps hire mercs to take districts and expand planetary resource acquisition. DUST corps hire pilots for OBs, transport, and escort. Hybrid corps use all there assets to try and control entire planets in Low sec.
Judy Maat Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 141	Posted - 2013.07.09 20:21:00 - [4] - Quote THIS^^^^^^ this is the game I was hopping for when I bought a ps3.. I've never been so wrong..
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 211	Posted - 2013.07.09 21:05:00 - [5] - Quote Judy Maat wrote: THIS^^^^^^ this is the game I was hopping for when I bought a ps3.. I've never been so wrong.. I know the feeling. I to bought a PS3 for DUST.
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 98	Posted - 2013.07.10 11:20:00 - [6] - Quote This ... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83672&find=unread
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 68	Posted - 2013.07.10 12:12:00 - [7] - Quote What does PI have to do with controlling districts anyways? In PI you just bomb your Command Center on a planet and then you can place stuff anywhere on it. I would like to see some kind of PI interaction for Dusties with pushing a modificator around for th ebeginning. Eve players should be able to buy a CRU and place that on a planet. Then they can link it with an extractor or even just extractor heads. Now they can put up a contract for Dusties to defend that extractor / extractor head. Now the Dusties will defend that Extractor /extractor head against a wave of CPU enemies. If the Dusties win the extractor will be more effective for a week or so. If they lose it will be less effective, at some point it even may be just destroyed. This would make sure that Eve players have to do more to keep PI running and getting profits. It will also include a risk, because they can now actually lose buildings. But on the other hand it would even possible to get a decent profit from blue or green planets. They could even expand this. Enemy Eve players could make contracts for dusties to conquer a PI. Then the Eve player would get a notice and would have to make a contract for dusties which will defend the PI. These contracts can either be issued to a corp or to the general public (making them like FW matches). They could also issue contracts for a specific amount of players or contract single Dust players (this would be useful if they also have a Dust account and want to participate in the battle themselves). Of course in every contract Eve players can determine how much money the Dusties get for losing and winning. I think this would be a great gameplay mode which allows more interaction between Eve and Dust.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 311	Posted - 2013.07.10 12:26:00 - [8] - Quote In the last dev blog by CCP FoxFour, he talks about some "thing" added to DUST allowing us selling resources to EVE players. He also writes about adding ability for pilots to move things for us...
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 220	Posted - 2013.07.10 12:51:00 - [9] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: What does PI have to do with controlling districts anyways? In PI you just bomb your Command Center on a planet and then you can place stuff anywhere on it. I would like to see some kind of PI interaction for Dusties with pushing a modificator around for th ebeginning. Eve players should be able to buy a CRU and place that on a planet. Then they can link it with an extractor or even just extractor heads. Now they can put up a contract for Dusties to defend that extractor / extractor head. Now the Dusties will defend that Extractor /extractor head against a wave of CPU enemies. If the Dusties win the extractor will be more effective for a week or so. If they lose it will be less effective, at some point it even may be just destroyed. This would make sure that Eve players have to do more to keep PI running and getting profits. It will also include a risk, because they can now actually lose buildings. But on the other hand it would even possible to get a decent profit from blue or green planets. They could even expand this. Enemy Eve players could make contracts for dusties to conquer a PI. Then the Eve player would get a notice and would have to make a contract for dusties which will defend the PI. These contracts can either be issued to a corp or to the general public (making them like FW matches). They could also issue contracts for a specific amount of players or contract single Dust players (this would be useful if they also have a Dust account and want to participate in the battle themselves). Of course in every contract Eve players can determine how much money the Dusties get for losing and winning. I think this would be a great gameplay mode which allows more interaction between Eve and Dust. I support any idea that give all control of ground Assets to Dust players on a practical scale. I only hold back from giving PI to Dust because it is still a FPS, on top of that it would require a full market integration, which is something I don't honestly see happening for a long time. PI in its current state is boring, and lets any old player just drop whatever they want on a planet. If we are fighting for these districts, we should have the right to say who can and can't be on it. I really can't stress enough how the planetary resource distribution would drive constant movement and territorial grabs. The only risk to the economy is the initial rise in PI resource prices due to the higher risks involved, but this can be supplemented by an increase in resources. I'd hope they expand on this, but I'm looking for smaller changes first.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 220	Posted - 2013.07.10 12:54:00 - [10] - Quote Captain Africa Clone1 wrote: This ... https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=83672&find=unread lots of space I always loved this idea and would hope it to could be part of the integration.

Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 256	Posted - 2013.07.10 13:31:00 - [11] - Quote low genius wrote: PI is a broken mechanic in eve online. it's passive income, and ccp is trying to remove all passive incomes. god i hope they do :) Have you done PI? Its not very passive.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 224	Posted - 2013.07.10 14:02:00 - [12] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: low genius wrote: PI is a broken mechanic in eve online. it's passive income, and ccp is trying to remove all passive incomes. god i hope they do :) Have you done PI? Its not very passive. I have. At first it takes awhile to figure out how to do (like everything else in EVE) then it takes a bit to find and setup on a planet. Then it becomes extremely passive. In Hi sec it is almost completely passive, in low sec it becomes a bit harder, but it is still time mostly spent away from your assets. In low sec PI imagine if a hybrid corp took control of the space in a system and controlled all the ground assets. They could essentially run security for PI at the cost of limits and taxes on non corp entities.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 69	Posted - 2013.07.10 14:43:00 - [13] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: Basic single skirmish match, null cannons are shooting the installation or whatever, maybe cool animations from the EVE side with the planet shooting up at the POCO. Ideally, this could be expanded beyond temparate planets, it would kind of suck for the EVE players to not see value in this because it won't work on ice/molten whatever, but it could definitely be implemented for both barren/temparate planets without the need for new art assets. Why not letting the Dust players fight on the station itself? I think the game needs some space station maps. And I also think it was already confirmed that CCP wants to add other planets like ice planets for example which require special Dropsuits or something like it.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 224	Posted - 2013.07.10 14:54:00 - [14] - Quote I honestly don't know what CCP is actively working on, what they are only doing conceptually, and what things they've just said would be cool. This is why I feel like these whole forums are beating a dead horse sometimes. They may be looking and reading the feedback, and even using ideas, but the less they ask for us to expand, and the less they tell us about progress, which they could easily do, the more worthless this whole forum section becomes. My only fear is that they are afraid of letting something out into the game world with 0 player feddback, and then spend the next 3 months trying to fix something that could have easily been seen on the forums. I mean the players are a massive test and feedback pool, and we are 100% free.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 224	Posted - 2013.07.10 15:09:00 - [15] - Quote To OSO My point is that if they want to give Dust more power, and they want interaction, all planetary based actions should be in the realm of dust, and all space should be in the realm of EVE. PI is the only asset that is necessary for the EVE economy that is exclusively planetary. We take that, then we have a stake in the economy. POCO control would be ideal as a first step, and the rest of my idea hinges on a galactic scale of Dust.
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 259	Posted - 2013.07.10 18:11:00 - [16] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Oso Peresoso wrote: Basic single skirmish match, null cannons are shooting the installation or whatever, maybe cool animations from the EVE side with the planet shooting up at the POCO. Ideally, this could be expanded beyond temparate planets, it would kind of suck for the EVE players to not see value in this because it won't work on ice/molten whatever, but it could definitely be implemented for both barren/temparate planets without the need for new art assets. Why not letting the Dust players fight on the station itself? I think the game needs some space station maps. And I also think it was already confirmed that CCP wants to add other planets like ice planets for example which require special Dropsuits or something like it. It does, but getting out new finished maps for station fights requires lots lots lots lots more development time and artwork. And I wanted on something that could be done in a period of months. And yes, getting them fighting on the POCO would be an excellent way to get POCO battles for these other planet types. Also, the other good part of my idea is that it could immediately be implemented for the whole of New Eden, not just empire space, FW zones, or molden heath.
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 49	Posted - 2013.07.10 18:33:00 - [17] - Quote I am waiting for the day when Dust mercs will be able to gather and move resources around, or drive a truckload full of assets to the space elevator for Dust-to-EVE transfers. Please bring industry to Dust CCP.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 225	Posted - 2013.07.10 19:03:00 - [18] - Quote To Oso I see your point, and the direction to get what can be out soonest is the most important. Scale of Dust at this point is too small to make a sweeping change over all of New Eden, especially with limiting PC to one region and planet type. I would never want the prospect of PI in a merc contolled area to cause people to want to find an easier way going somewhere else, but the resources in other places are limited as well, and negotiations and support would mean planetary actions would just be something one could do on their own, the land has an owner now. Now there could be certain benifits or bonuses a merc corp could give to their districts industry (through possible Dust industry). The control over how much people can take would mean a merc controlled planet could sit on as much of their resources as they want. It is not ideal for solo PI but power would have to shift and negotiations could give an allied corp a significant advantage. We can still let solo PI occur freely as it is in Hi-sec as planets can be "under control" of NPC corps and factions. You don't even have to open up all the other regions to Dust yet, you just have to balance out the cost/risk of working in merc controlled space. In time as they open new regions, people will have to deal with the new system. It's a change that not everyone will like, but the economy needs PI resources, and balancing the cost/risk could make it innovative.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 225	Posted - 2013.07.11 03:17:00 - [19] - Quote bump
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 123	Posted - 2013.07.11 06:20:00 - [20] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Oso Peresoso wrote: Basic single skirmish match, null cannons are shooting the installation or whatever, maybe cool animations from the EVE side with the planet shooting up at the POCO. Ideally, this could be expanded beyond temparate planets, it would kind of suck for the EVE players to not see value in this because it won't work on ice/molten whatever, but it could definitely be implemented for both barren/temparate planets without the need for new art assets. Why not letting the Dust players fight on the station itself? I think the game needs some space station maps. And I also think it was already confirmed that CCP wants to add other planets like ice planets for example which require special Dropsuits or something like it. Yea buddy couldn't agree with you more on this !!!!!!

Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 123	Posted - 2013.07.11 06:45:00 - [21] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: To OSO My point is that if they want to give Dust more power, and they want interaction, all planetary based actions should be in the realm of dust, and all space should be in the realm of EVE. PI is the only asset that is necessary for the EVE economy that is exclusively planetary. We take that, then we have a stake in the economy. POCO control would be ideal as a first step, and the rest of my idea hinges on a galactic scale of Dust. Tallen ... remember we are MERCS not industrialists or entrepreneurs. Let the Eve Industrial Mongols create the stuff. All we need to do is hold them for ransom. This means taking over a POCO and charging tax on every shipment that goes through , with the added bonus of protecting their POCO from other SCUMBAG Mercs. Walla we have passive income without getting your hands dirty in PI. If you want to be an industrialist ..then play Eve its an awesome game. Us Mercs we do our talking with bullet spray ...
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 123	Posted - 2013.07.11 07:00:00 - [22] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: To OSO My point is that if they want to give Dust more power, and they want interaction, all planetary based actions should be in the realm of dust, and all space should be in the realm of EVE. PI is the only asset that is necessary for the EVE economy that is exclusively planetary. We take that, then we have a stake in the economy. POCO control would be ideal as a first step, and the rest of my idea hinges on a galactic scale of Dust. Na buddy your so wrong if you say all dust activities should be on planets .....New Eden has soooooooooooo much more to offer to the Mercs than just planets. One day we will be extracting mission items from broken up stations for Eve players (NPC).
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 95	Posted - 2013.07.11 07:00:00 - [23] - Quote This topic was clearly started because the OP wants industry to exist in Dust, and he isn't the only one, so telling us to do industry in EVE when we want to do it in Dust is rather misguided, to say the least.
Captain Africa Clone1 GRIM MARCH 123	Posted - 2013.07.11 07:06:00 - [24] - Quote Canaan Knute wrote: This topic was clearly started because the OP wants industry to exist in Dust, and he isn't the only one, so telling us to do industry in EVE when we want to do it in Dust is rather misguided, to say the least. LOL ...I dont want to misguide you ,but last time I checked Dust 514 was a FPS .... Look if you guys really feel strong about this ...then why not.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 467	Posted - 2013.07.11 12:12:00 - [25] - Quote Actually I don't want industry like EVE in Dust. I want Dust to be able to regulate planetary industry, not actually do it. Dust is a FPS first and foremost.
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 595	Posted - 2013.07.11 12:42:00 - [26] - Quote Canaan Knute wrote: I am waiting for the day when Dust mercs will be able to gather and move resources around, or drive a truckload full of assets to the space elevator for Dust-to-EVE transfers. Please bring industry to Dust CCP. never gonna happen. That's what Eve is for.
Canaan Knute Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 95	Posted - 2013.07.11 14:59:00 - [27] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: never gonna happen. That's what Eve is for. Says who? Has CCP ever said that industry will never happen in Dust? If not, then I have no reason to believe your claim.
Brasidas Kriegen The Southern Legion 12	Posted - 2013.07.11 16:07:00 - [28] - Quote Dust can't completely control PI as it would break EVE. PI is integral for things like tech 2 production and POS Fuel which means that if there weren't enough Dust players working on it, or certain Dust corps controlled the market etc it could make a lot of EVE corps and alliances unable to function. The games need to work together but not be unable to function without one another. So instead you could have Dust battles affect PI on planets for example, having increased or decreased output etc, but putting the production of a certain resource integral to the function of important aspects of EVE would break the game and its economy.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 467	Posted - 2013.07.11 16:40:00 - [29] - Quote Brasidas Kriegen wrote: Dust can't completely control PI as it would break EVE. PI is integral for things like tech 2 production and POS Fuel which means that if there weren't enough Dust players working on it, or certain Dust corps controlled the market etc it could make a lot of EVE corps and alliances unable to function. The games need to work together but not be unable to function without one another. So instead you could have Dust battles affect PI on planets for example, having increased or decreased output etc, but putting the production of a certain resource integral to the function of important aspects of EVE would break the game and its economy. The integral part of PI in EVE is precisely why I want it to be in Dust control. Like I said hi-sec and unconquered regions can still be merc free PI. PI feels like nothing more than just a placeholder for ACTUAL planetary interaction. I don't expect anyone who has been having minimal problems doing PI for the past couple of years to like it, but a non game breaking incremental change can really tear down some big walls between the two games.
lateriss ObscuriLateris 0	Posted - 2013.08.11 05:22:00 - [30] - Quote Why not create a common UI for both Dust 514 and Eve Online players that rely on database selections of data? A complete interaction between both game engines based in the User Interface. Every solid planet or moon should be up for grabs by Corporations in Dust 514 and Eve, the missing factor is not in the game yet. The PI GUI was probably a good starting reference point which is why fans reference it. It is tangible.



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