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Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1454
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:46:00 -
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Ok look can for just a few weeks we have Deadeyes as the New eden bad guy? I'm totaly not cut out for the job. I mean wtf I watch MLP vids when MCC camping, I offered free hugs thu the whole war man I just wanan be the good guy once!!!!
Meh scrw the lot of you. |
Rogatien Merc
Ill Omens
380
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:48:00 -
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Baracka Flocka Flame wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:Baracka Flocka Flame wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:I can't really speak to much on the inter-alliance politics of district trading vs. successful prosecution of the CRONOS war vs. ringer requirements vs. overextension. But at the risk of future opportunities, from my perspective internal to IO, I'll also say I'm disappointed in the EoN. leadership. With respect, because he has built an incredible alliance, Mavado is at this point an absentee alliance leader who has publicly stated this game is dead in October. He hasn't communicated anything to the alliance as a whole in months - the maps change, wars start and end, new corps join and no one really knows about it until we see them in Alliance chat and wonder who the heck they are. It's fixable, but worth noting. I'll concede that some of this failure likely falls on the heads of IO leaders who should have filled that gap, including Deadeyes. Perhaps it is because I was in IO and everyone else was getting the memos but we weren't because of leadership relations with Nik. But it is what it is.
Im sorry but don't put this on EoN Leadership, like Lance mentioned nikia completely disregarded any and all advice given to him and did his own thing. I'll personally never forgot in the first week of PC when and i quote he said "I don't care what you think" to multiple leaders of other corps. Mavado is not an absente leader he's on every day despite his criticism of the game(like 70% of the playerbase lol). Nikia is a good leader but he is not a CEO. Agreed on Nikia's faults. "This" being the ultimate decision to burn IO to the ground is on Deadeyes. The bitterness and failed alliance relations are on Nik. EoN. leadership did what they had to do, but it could have been handled differently. Will 'Gravity Prone' get those districts now that they're out of Nikia's grasp? Doubtful because they've already been handed off to a myriad of other corps. Just sayin. No hard feelings, just laying out what I'm seeing. People outside the corp are cheering for Deadeyes, so thought I'd share my perspective. You see Mav every day because he is your corp CEO. I just want a weekly bulletin or something. Macro-level alliance-wide comms have just sucked. That's really beside the point honestly. Probably shouldn't have brought it up as it's a bit off topic. /shrug I understand what your saying about the last part, i guess i do have it easier cause he's my CEO but anytime something 'major' happens within the alliance its put out on the leadership channels,skype channels etc honestly at that point it is on your leaders/CEO to spread the word within their corp. Also when meetings happen leaders are given news and such, but how are you to get the news when nikia decides he doesn't want to attend the meetings like has happened? Agreed, and I made note of that in my OP. I'd note that Deadeyes was part of that as well, but that would just be spiteful
Like I said dude, not trying to pick a fight with EoN., but the whole "what Deadeyes did was for the sake of his corp and for the best" etc. etc., is decidedly one-sided. It was all kind of like coming up behind a guy on the street and taking a chainsaw to his leg because he has a nasty infection instead of finding a hospital and using an anesthetic. |
Zhar Ptitsaa
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
112
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:49:00 -
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]Rogatien Merc wrote:I just want a weekly bulletin or something.
What would you honestly expect in this bulletin? The problem is there isn't enough **** going on in dust to make updates about, the EoN forums are updated when news does come out and mails are sent regularly. What would you have wanted to see? |
Sha Kharn Clone
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1454
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:51:00 -
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Wow talk about dirty laundery in public. Such a shame
I mean
Yea that was just a typo sorry |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3761
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:53:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:[ I can't really speak to much on the inter-alliance politics of district trading vs. successful prosecution of the CRONOS war vs. ringer requirements vs. overextension. But at the risk of future opportunities, from my perspective internal to IO, I'll also say I'm disappointed in the EoN. leadership. With respect, because he has built an incredible alliance, Mavado is at this point an absentee alliance leader who has publicly stated this game is dead in October. He hasn't communicated anything to the alliance as a whole in months - the maps change, wars start and end, new corps join and no one really knows about it until we see them in Alliance chat and wonder who the heck they are. It's fixable, but worth noting. I'll concede that some of this failure likely falls on the heads of IO leaders who should have filled that gap, including Deadeyes. Perhaps it is because I was in IO and everyone else was getting the memos but we weren't because of leadership relations with Nik. But it is what it is.
pretty sure im around everyday pretty sure the leaders talk on skype everyday there isnt any war goin on atm so corps are conducting their own business gettin little fights where they can etc what is there to communicate to the alliance when everything is at a stand still, i communicate with the leaders and they communicate to their respective corps.
FYI lets be HONEST with ourselves....When PS4 drops most ppl will not be on dust anymore so in a way YES the game will die down ALOT come this holiday season thats just reality. No one in their right mind will have a PS4 in front of them and load up a buggy incomplete dust .
So yea despite what i come and post on the forums here or my absence from stupid forum drama im still very much around where it needs to be i.e communicating with leaders and ingame so sorry that it seems i wasnt communicating with ppl when there wasnt anything to communicate about after the cronos war. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3761
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:55:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:I just want a weekly bulletin or something.
what would u want in a weekly bulletin? lol hey guys we beat some no names today congrats! hey guys we hit our caps this week? awww yeaaaa
exactly nothing of importance that wouldnt be labeled spam by most members |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
655
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:56:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote: Like I said dude, not trying to pick a fight with EoN., but the whole "what Deadeyes did was for the sake of his corp and for the best" etc. etc., is decidedly one-sided. It was all kind of like coming up behind a guy on the street and taking a chainsaw to his leg because he has a nasty infection instead of finding a hospital and using an anesthetic.
I don't deny that this is more or less what I did. I acted in the best interest of myself, and as a lot of the Omen members who weren't content, and even EoN. Ill Omens was becoming a huge liability and I had the chance to take care of the problem in a quick way, and move on to other things. The atmosphere in IO had become toxic and had been toxic for a while, at least from my perspective. People talking about leaving in gen chat because of miserable PC matches, and the crazy number of battles Nikia would promise to trim down and only kept increasing.
I acted with a lot of authority, and I acted alone in what I thought was the best route, every day I stalled would have been 4-5 more districts lost to CRONOS who were taking full advantage of our broken internal state. |
Rogatien Merc
Ill Omens
380
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:59:00 -
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Zhar Ptitsaa wrote:] Rogatien Merc wrote:I just want a weekly bulletin or something. What would you honestly expect in this bulletin? The problem is there isn't enough **** going on in dust to make updates about, the EoN forums are updated when news does come out and mails are sent regularly. What would you have wanted to see?
Mails are *NOT* sent out regularly to the alliance. Corp leader responsibilities have already been discussed, and I concede that point; forums are rarely used by the majority of any playerbase.
**** weekly bulletins, how about just "RND and Intrepidus Have Joined The Alliance, Welcome!!!"
Mav's a big boy and we've all fought in matches together. Hopefully ya'll know by now I'm not just trolling to troll. I respect his abilities, just listing a gripe and already said it was beside the point. It doesn't need the wrath of SyN response Ya'll must have sent this thread out in a corp mail huh? It wasn't to the alliance though
[EDIT: Thanks for the response Mavado.] |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2674
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Posted - 2013.07.10 21:05:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Mails are *NOT* sent out regularly to the alliance. Corp leader responsibilities have already been discussed, and I concede that point; forums are rarely used by the majority of any playerbase. **** weekly bulletins, how about just "RND and Intrepidus Have Joined The Alliance, Welcome!!!" Mav's a big boy and we've all fought in matches together. Hopefully ya'll know by now I'm not just trolling to troll. I respect his abilities, just listing a gripe and already said it was beside the point. It doesn't need the wrath of SyN response Ya'll must have sent this thread out in a corp mail huh? It wasn't to the alliance though
It's not a secret. Things needed to get settled down. It's not the job of the leader of the alliance to send mails out to every member in the alliance of stuff. Rank and file soldier.
We have meetings, then leaders relay the relevant info onto to their corp members. Not saying Mav should never send out emails, but you're asking for a news letter from a alliance leader.
I'm not talking for Mav, like he needs people to defend him. I'm a dragonborn forum warrior. I can go all day if i have time... he's not, hence I'm a soldier and he's the leader of an alliance. |
Cy Clone1
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
97
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Posted - 2013.07.10 21:30:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Cy Clone1 wrote:Xero The Mishima wrote:Cy Clone1 wrote:Iskandar Zul Karnain wrote:Goodguy Deadeyes Anterie, the Robin Hood of New Eden. some robin hood I never got paid and I was in for months. It was kinda a **** move to give away the districts. Nika may not be the most friendly, but thr isn't a leader who works harder than him. He is also a great field commander. He will do well reguardless of what happened. Is that while you're still in Ill Omens with this much dedication? Oh wait.... my mistake... I left a day before all this happened. I left because I rarely play pc, or squad up with corp members, so seemed pointless to be tagged. Its also just a game so I do as I please. Payment was given to people who helped us earn the districts and earn the ISK. You kind of pointed out the reasons you didn't qualify yourself.
I don't want to drag this out much longer cause its getting to be a lot of Quote on Quote on Quote. But I had played nearly all the pc at the time it started, I said the reason why I left was because I was rarely playing pc at the time of my departure, if I was rarely playing pc then I would have left then and not now. if that makes any sense. doesn't matter would have given the money back. Hey how much did you keep for yourself?
whooo if you can decipher what im trying to say good. If not well ****. |
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NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens
387
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Posted - 2013.07.10 21:34:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote: Like I said dude, not trying to pick a fight with EoN., but the whole "what Deadeyes did was for the sake of his corp and for the best" etc. etc., is decidedly one-sided. It was all kind of like coming up behind a guy on the street and taking a chainsaw to his leg because he has a nasty infection instead of finding a hospital and using an anesthetic.
I don't deny that this is more or less what I did. I acted in the best interest of myself, and for a lot of the Omen members who weren't content, and even EoN. Ill Omens was becoming a huge liability and I had the chance to take care of the problem in a quick way, and move on to other things. The atmosphere in IO had become toxic and had been toxic for a while, at least from my perspective. People talking about leaving in gen chat because of miserable PC matches, and the crazy number of battles Nikia would promise to trim down and only kept increasing. I acted with a lot of authority, and I acted alone in what I thought was the best route, every day I stalled would have been 4-5 more districts lost to CRONOS who were taking full advantage of our broken internal state. what you did was for yourself and noone else. i your a snake but a smart one. you acted alone. i know noone else that wanted part of anything you did. and i said the plan was to back out slowly and it was met with some resistance.
If you say you didn't do that just to get in another Eon. corp your a poor liar. when i left i didn't say deadeye go destroy everything we built and try to play judge jury and advocate. if you wanted to leave you could have done that easy without making things bad for everyone else.
on top of everything you were offered the position to be second in command but you rather do the info broker **** that focus on corp issues. just shoot straight ur selfish and your final act proves it. or at least be man enough to be honest with yourself i never bullshited anyone. i could have but didn't. |
Tank Gorillarape
Not Guilty EoN.
12
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Posted - 2013.07.10 21:53:00 -
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Yay im a hardcore pcer i hate u sha kharn. but with love |
NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens
388
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:09:00 -
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i'm going to disband IO and work to undermine EoN. why?
CUBs went behind my back after i help him and starts taking districts from me. that's why i removed csr and deadeyes roles to simply talk to them about it. deadeyes handed our districts over and stole our corp wallet after i explained to him why i did and and gave his role back. Mav did nothing about it be removed me from the leadership channels kept IO is EoN. for some reason i'm guessing they didn't finish ******* the corp over. i never trusted mav and never will.
he did this to join EoN. he destroyed my work sooo i will work to make sure his efforts fall to ****. |
Tank Gorillarape
Not Guilty EoN.
13
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:13:00 -
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doesnt matter where ever nikia goes he will always have followers...... im scared |
Deadeyes Anterie
Ill Omens
656
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:16:00 -
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Tank Gorillarape wrote:doesnt matter where ever nikia goes he will always have followers...... im scared
If Nikia managed to topple EoN I would be pretty excited because of how epic that tale of revenge would be. |
NIKIA BETHUNE
Ill Omens
389
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:21:00 -
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well everyone knows me and my revenge i usually do pretty well at it |
MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
102
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:28:00 -
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NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:i'm going to disband IO and work to undermine EoN. why?
CUBs went behind my back after i help him and starts taking districts from me. that's why i removed csr and deadeyes roles to simply talk to them about it. deadeyes handed our districts over and stole our corp wallet after i explained to him why i did and and gave his role back. Mav did nothing about it be removed me from the leadership channels kept IO is EoN. for some reason i'm guessing they didn't finish ******* the corp over. i never trusted mav and never will.
he did this to join EoN. he destroyed my work sooo i will work to make sure his efforts fall to ****.
QQ more drama queen. Seems to me you were an unstable force and were put in check sounds about right to me.
#IMPSwerebehinditall |
Tank Gorillarape
Not Guilty EoN.
16
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:34:00 -
[168] - Quote
foresure |
Rogatien Merc
Ill Omens
381
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:35:00 -
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u deserve more likes Tank. here, take 2 |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2677
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:53:00 -
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NIKIA BETHUNE wrote:i'm going to disband IO and work to undermine EoN. why?
CUBs went behind my back after i help him and starts taking districts from me. that's why i removed csr and deadeyes roles to simply talk to them about it. deadeyes handed our districts over and stole our corp wallet after i explained to him why i did and and gave his role back. Mav did nothing about it be removed me from the leadership channels kept IO is EoN. for some reason i'm guessing they didn't finish ******* the corp over. i never trusted mav and never will.
he did this to join EoN. he destroyed my work sooo i will work to make sure his efforts fall to ****.
lol
Good one nik |
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Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers EoN.
523
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Posted - 2013.07.10 22:58:00 -
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NIKIA BETHUNE wrote: i never trusted mav and never will.
I wonder why it ended up like this.... maybe it has something to do with this statement. |
Guile Sbarge
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:07:00 -
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I was a major player in Ill Omens. I won many a PC with the crew and have donated at least one billion isk to the corp over months and months of harsh grinding and dedication. Now that the corp is dead, can I get that isk back as payment for my hard work and determination as a major player of the Ill Omens? |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. League of Infamy
3364
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:07:00 -
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I think it's time I admitted to something.
Deadeyes is my alt.
Dun dun dun. |
Deadeyes Anterie
Gravity Prone
657
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:13:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:I think it's time I admitted to something.
Deadeyes is my alt.
Dun dun dun.
Now give me the 7 billion ISK I was promised Kain. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
529
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:15:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:I'm honestly not sure whether Deadeyes was right or not. Nikia's failure to lead and put together the 40+ fights he apparently lost to SI over the last week in mostly no shows or poorly equipped teams seemed to indicate Nikia was failing to grasp the responsibility he obtained when he won all those districts.
The thing with Nikia seemingly going 2 faced about giving us the districts which he said he would to TP's was not deadeyes fault. Nikia should have not gone back and changed his mind about them giving it to us, and personally I know cubs wanted them to hurry the **** up and deadeyes obliged.
Personally I got 25 mill for all the fights I helped with. I'm grateful. I rang like 70+ fights for IO and I wasn't expecting anything, so I appreciate that. I know Nikia was a very imperfect leader (the fact that Komplex and Bigboi has joined back up with their friends who made Gravity Prone is proof of that) and that he talked a lot of smack and kinda played into sha's hands a bit in the meta when attacked GAC's fight club district and wouldn't see the light of day, but honestly, Nikia's not a bad guy, just perhaps better suited to not having all that power.
IMO, and this is just a suggestion to deadeyes...I think it's best if even though heavy breaks didn't want to be ceo, you should consider putting another vote to the floor about who should lead gravity prone, just to gauge your populace and make the best decision for yourself and the IO guys. With respect to all parties involved... I've publicly and privately facepalmed at what Nik has done in the past and told him to get off the forums and leave politics to others. He worked hard to build the corp, but sucked at the meta. His removal as part of EoN. likely was inevitable, and understandable; the execution of this left something to be desired. I stayed with IO when others left over the past couple months because as a corp and an alliance, we built something we were proud of and at the end of the day, I enjoyed the amount of PC we were doing and being with all of the people I played with on a daily basis. That was all torn down. I was disappointed with Deadeyes' decision. He made it unilaterally without even touching base with those he should have been able to trust within the corp (call me butthurt /shrug) who might have had an opinion. Those on the forums and those in EoN. that see the positives of Nik's removal notwithstanding, Deadeyes' rage decision was ironically Nikia-esque and this was a betrayal of the corporation and what many of us worked for. Yes he shelled out ISK, but the ISK available didn't even put some donors in the black, payouts to alliance ringers indicate his primary loyalties (which is fine, I love you guys too), and at the end of the day it wasn't all about the ISK. I can't really speak to much on the inter-alliance politics of district trading vs. successful prosecution of the CRONOS war vs. ringer requirements vs. overextension. But at the risk of future opportunities, from my perspective internal to IO, I'll also say I'm disappointed in the EoN. leadership. With respect, because he has built an incredible alliance, Mavado is at this point an absentee alliance leader who has publicly stated this game is dead in October. He hasn't communicated anything to the alliance as a whole in months - the maps change, wars start and end, new corps join and no one really knows about it until we see them in Alliance chat and wonder who the heck they are. It's fixable, but worth noting. I'll concede that some of this failure likely falls on the heads of IO leaders who should have filled that gap, including Deadeyes. Perhaps it is because I was in IO and everyone else was getting the memos but we weren't because of leadership relations with Nik. But it is what it is. Yes IO had a bad week against SI and were at a low point, but I feel like support was hesitant - with a few notable exceptions - I guess due to being sick of Nikia and burnout over IO needs. There was no effort made by other corporations to conduct a counterattack on CRONOS, which is above my paygrade but would have gotten us through all of this. The Almur districts were rather unimportant strategically and IO would have survived losing even 10 districts. Instead, it was easier for EoN. to let us fall and execute a bloodless coup. Yes it was IO's responsibility to defend those districts, but the sudden resurgence in support when the districts needed to be defended in order to be transferred indicates the support to conduct those fights was there, just not willing. I can respect this and even appreciate the rally yesterday, but let's be honest about it. IO's districts were parted out by the alliance for alliance gain. No desire to be drama llama here, and I <3 my EoN. bros, but while the move on Deadeye's part was generally beneficial for the EoN. alliance as a whole, many within IO feel justifiably and completely betrayed. Peanut gallery: the floor is yours. In the end 'tis only a game
Welp the fact that Nikia said to let it fall, despite your and other in IO wishes, is demonstrative of what deadeyes is referring to when he claims Nikia was out of touch. Honestly me n k-con and revoltz and arirana and spongly and kobrah are mavado and chrome are all (and I say this presumptuously albeit lol) still willing to help out. Mavado is not an absent leader. IO hasn't been quite as connected with the alliance through skype, enjin, even facebook.
My understanding from Cubs is that Ill Omens never won their own districts with all Ill Omens teams. I didn't know this. And that this is part of the reason why the IO districts were split to other Eon. corps. Thank essentially the times IO fielded full IO teams, they got face stomped on, and that if Gravity Prone were to be plagued with all those districts that have been distributed (I think TP's got 2) it would have been chaos. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. League of Infamy
3364
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:15:00 -
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Deadeyes Anterie wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:I think it's time I admitted to something.
Deadeyes is my alt.
Dun dun dun. Now give me the 7 billion ISK I was promised Kain. Money will be there soon - as per our sleeper agent contract. Great work - took quite a while - but we got IO! |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
529
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:35:00 -
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Guile Sbarge wrote:I was a major player in Ill Omens. I won many a PC with the crew and have donated at least one billion isk to the corp over months and months of harsh grinding and dedication. Now that the corp is dead, can I get that isk back as payment for my hard work and determination as a major player of the Ill Omens?
Umm... you can just ask Dent for some of that 150 mill I donated...
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DS 10
G I A N T EoN.
572
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:45:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Guile Sbarge wrote:I was a major player in Ill Omens. I won many a PC with the crew and have donated at least one billion isk to the corp over months and months of harsh grinding and dedication. Now that the corp is dead, can I get that isk back as payment for my hard work and determination as a major player of the Ill Omens? Umm... you can just ask Dent for some of that 150 mill I donated...
Yeah, I sent them some too. Get it from them. |
Heavy Breaks
Red STar. EoN.
86
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:56:00 -
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Quote:t Ill Omens never won their own districts with all Ill Omens teams. I didn't know this
Granted we did have a lot of help, but when we were on our game we could take pretty much anyone IMHO.
I'm sad that all this has turned into a mud slinging session. Yes Nik made mistakes and yes deadeyes did what some consider dishonest (me not being one of them, but I still don't fully agree with it) and yes IO was getting our arses handed to us. But, I believe IO stood for something, we proved that a small corp with a bit of fire (and help) can shake things up and make people take notice.
I and many others were given a chance with IO to prove ourselves and I think most of us did.
Hell I'm not the best duster, but I give 110% every time as did a good few of the guys.
Anyway onwards and upwards, I just hope I can do R*S proud.
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MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
103
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Posted - 2013.07.11 00:09:00 -
[180] - Quote
Man all this drama makes me believe IMPS really did beat Dust.
IF IO has only about 3B in assests from all that land then we made out like bandits acquiring and flipping real estate. Add to this the players who wanted to retire did so and we consolidated while keeping the legacy of IMPs in stasis while the actives get to make their own decisions and build their own legacy free of old guard interference.
Its like IMPS saw all the signs of what PC would bring and had an exit strategy in place from the get go. Damn the meta is strong in them
PS, Deadeyes check your wallet, payment sent |
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