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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:47:00 -
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guys this is game breaking so hopefully if we show them this they will fix it!
for my first time ever (on an alt) I sat in the MCC for an entire match and being that its x3 sp week I made 18000 sp for my lack of effort.
so I guess thats around 6k before x3 sp....
CCP, why should I fight if I gain more doing nothing than I do participating?
granted, you certainly can earn more participating, but not too much more and at the expense of suits (isk) cause you will die oh, and by the way I made around 180k isk as well lounging around in the MCC...
so ive come to the conclusion that CCP wants you to stay in the MCC because as of yet they have done NOTHING to fix this!
I will repeat this is truly game breaking and needs fixing... maybe if we all just MCC camp and deprive CCP of their coveted metrics they will see this for themselves.
I request CCP does something about this immediately!
thank you. |
Baku Amad
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
7
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Posted - 2013.07.08 09:12:00 -
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Edit: sorry made this post its own thread |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
479
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Posted - 2013.07.08 10:30:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:guys this is game breaking so hopefully if we show them this they will fix it! for my first time ever (on an alt) I sat in the MCC for an entire match and being that its x3 sp week I made 18000 sp for my lack of effort. so I guess thats around 6k before x3 sp.... CCP, why should I fight if I gain more doing nothing than I do participating? granted, you certainly can earn more participating, but not too much more and at the expense of suits (isk) cause you will die oh, and by the way I made around 180k isk as well lounging around in the MCC... so ive come to the conclusion that CCP wants you to stay in the MCC because as of yet they have done NOTHING to fix this! I will repeat this is truly game breaking and needs fixing... maybe if we all just MCC camp and deprive CCP of their coveted metrics they will see this for themselves. I request CCP does something about this immediately! thank you. I should note my sp accruement included an active booster
Before CCP fixes mcc afking they nees to fix their game, they need to make sure that whatever actually goes out on the field is has an equal footing They also need to fix risk v reward, and investment = higher rewards. I can risk and lose a crapton of ISK and not make any more, possibly less, than some guy up in the MCC. Then there is investment, how much time I invested actually playing and how much WP I get at the end of a match to represent this investment; these two should affect my SP and ISK gains by a lot, enough to make my rewards double or triple that of the guy in the MCC. Honestly if CCP isn't going to fix their game now they should just leave 3x SP turned on until they do, because that's been the only time where I have played the game and enjoyed it fully in a long time. |
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
60
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Posted - 2013.07.08 10:40:00 -
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CCP U NEED TO BOOT IDLE PLAYERS FROM THE GAME, ANYONE WHO SITS STILL LONGER THAN 2 MINUTES NEEDS TO BE REMOVED SO PEOPLE WILLING TO PLAY FOR THEIR POINTS CAN GET INTO BATTLE AND POSSIBLY HELP THEIR TEAM WIN
FUK MCC FARMERS REMOVE THEM |
Prangstar RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission
116
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Posted - 2013.07.08 10:43:00 -
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the op creator may be a **** for sitting in the MCC but he is correct that it needs fixing. I would just say, 0 kills and 0 warpoints = no reward. Its the easiest thing in the world to get some warpoints. get your nanohive out and throw it anywhere is almost a guaranteed 10 wp's. I would also suggest removing idle players from the game after a certain timeset. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
52
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Posted - 2013.07.08 10:48:00 -
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Prangstar RND wrote:the op creator may be a **** for sitting in the MCC but he is correct that it needs fixing. I would just say, 0 kills and 0 warpoints = no reward. Its the easiest thing in the world to get some warpoints. get your nanohive out and throw it anywhere is almost a guaranteed 10 wp's. I would also suggest removing idle players from the game after a certain timeset.
I want to be clear... because of rumors of how much sp and isk you can get for doing nothing I needed to try it myself to get the facts before I made a post about it... I in no way condone mcc camping nor do I practice it... I only did it to see for myself what an atrocious oversight this is on CCPs end and to post about it in hopes of getting something done to fix it.
thanks for taking the time to read this thread and post |
WeapondigitX V7
Planetary Response Organization
17
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:10:00 -
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I once got a phone call, so I sat in the mcc while using the phone. I got 180 000 ISK and 11 000 SP during that match this week during the triple SP event.
MCC camping needs a fix.
Anyone positioned within or on top of the MCC for more than 21 seconds needs to be kicked from the game match.
Anyone that has not gained any WP within 5 minutes at the start of the match should be kicked from the match. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
52
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:14:00 -
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WeapondigitX V7 wrote:I once got a phone call, so I sat in the mcc while using the phone. I got 180 000 ISK and 11 000 SP during that match this week during the triple SP event.
MCC camping needs a fix.
Anyone positioned within or on top of the MCC for more than 21 seconds needs to be kicked from the game match.
Anyone that has not gained any WP within 5 minutes at the start of the match should be kicked from the match.
I agree with the time limit on the MCC but I think the wp earning part is just a tad harsh... think of new players in match getting proto stomped... sometimes it takes a bit to get your first wps.
if they would just fix camping in the MCC and for that matter sitting in the red line the problem would be solved
thanks for the post! |
GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE The Family Syndicate
27
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:17:00 -
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:CCP U NEED TO BOOT IDLE PLAYERS FROM THE GAME, ANYONE WHO SITS STILL LONGER THAN 2 MINUTES NEEDS TO BE REMOVED SO PEOPLE WILLING TO PLAY FOR THEIR POINTS CAN GET INTO BATTLE AND POSSIBLY HELP THEIR TEAM WIN
FUK MCC FARMERS REMOVE THEM
YO go play ambush. Problem solved Mr super CAPITAL LETTERS.
If players mcc camping so much pisses you off why not play FW if you dont ambush |
Baku Amad
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
8
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:21:00 -
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First off https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1027818#post1027818
Second the comments of redline camping annoy me. I agree somewhat that it needs to be fixed. But i can generally snipe people out of their redline so its never really been an issue for my squads unless for some reason nobody can damage you due to a redline damage glitch. Or for some reason you dont render due to redline. Other than that i say sit in the redline all you want im more than happy to relieve you of your heads.
And well i can gaurantee you will be more worried and distracted by me than you will be by the playing field. And if i can personally take a couple persons eyes off the action i have done my team a favor. Even if im only tying up one guy ive at least leveled the playing field |
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
54
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:25:00 -
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Baku Amad wrote:First off https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1027818#post1027818Second the comments of redline camping annoy me. I agree somewhat that it needs to be fixed. But i can generally snipe people out of their redline so its never really been an issue for my squads unless for some reason nobody can damage you due to a redline damage glitch. Or for some reason you dont render due to redline. Other than that i say sit in the redline all you want im more than happy to relieve you of your heads. And well i can gaurantee you will be more worried and distracted by me than you will be by the playing field. And if i can personally take a couple persons eyes off the action i have done my team a favor. Even if im only tying up one guy ive at least leveled the playing field
red line sniping is one thing... but sitting behind cover for the duration of the map is just as bad as MCC camping and was more along the lines of why I believe this needs a fix as well. |
Baku Amad
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
12
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:31:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Baku Amad wrote:First off https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1027818#post1027818Second the comments of redline camping annoy me. I agree somewhat that it needs to be fixed. But i can generally snipe people out of their redline so its never really been an issue for my squads unless for some reason nobody can damage you due to a redline damage glitch. Or for some reason you dont render due to redline. Other than that i say sit in the redline all you want im more than happy to relieve you of your heads. And well i can gaurantee you will be more worried and distracted by me than you will be by the playing field. And if i can personally take a couple persons eyes off the action i have done my team a favor. Even if im only tying up one guy ive at least leveled the playing field red line sniping is one thing... but sitting behind cover for the duration of the map is just as bad as MCC camping and was more along the lines of why I believe this needs a fix as well.
Ok i do undstand that. But redline sniping is what i see the biggest complaint about. So thats what i commented on. Im generally getting pissed off by comments that do nothing but QQ without any constructive suggestions for a fix. Or is advantagious to one set of players but screws over others. If any of the WP restricting redline fixes come about then the Playable area needs an increase because the current playable areas usually puts Alot of the useful overwatches behind the redline.....Plus theres installations in the redline, so WTF |
pseudosnipre
DUST University Ivy League
53
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Posted - 2013.07.08 20:34:00 -
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As mentioned in other posts, MCC campers will simply become ground-spawn campers or rubberband their controller so they constantly run into a wall.
Any suggestions to prevent the above AND not kick snipers or redlined mercs would be welcome. I recommend making mobile MCCs a higher priority. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
75
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Posted - 2013.07.08 20:46:00 -
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pseudosnipre wrote:As mentioned in other posts, MCC campers will simply become ground-spawn campers or rubberband their controller so they constantly run into a wall.
Any suggestions to prevent the above AND not kick snipers or redlined mercs would be welcome. I recommend making mobile MCCs a higher priority.
the easiest solution is sp for wp period. as for isk a flat fee for a win or loss multiplied by each wp gained may work. but as ive stated previously CCP doesn't seem to like it when you give them solutions they like being the heroes in that respect.... |
Soldiersaint
Reaper Galactic
49
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Posted - 2013.07.08 20:53:00 -
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Im not leaving the mcc until pve comes out -_- |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
76
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Posted - 2013.07.08 20:56:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:Im not leaving the mcc until pve comes out -_-
well technically you leave every time the match is over |
Principus Shmoof Triariian
Defective by Design
26
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Posted - 2013.07.08 21:01:00 -
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I saw Mavado V Noriega SP Farming... good to know an elite player like him can't even play the game. If you SP farm you can STFU, GTFO, I don't won't you in my game |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
172
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Posted - 2013.07.08 21:08:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote: Before CCP fixes mcc afking they nees to fix their game, they need to make sure that whatever actually goes out on the field is has an equal footing They also need to fix risk v reward, and investment = higher rewards.
F*ck off, crybaby. AFKing is both a problem that can be reasonably addressed and does not need to be held up to address every perceived imbalance or fault in the game. "Proto is too expensive" or "**** is broken" or "****** is overpowered" is NOT justification for being a cancerous leech. |
Baku Amad
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
13
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Posted - 2013.07.08 21:40:00 -
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m curious has anyone suggested a system that involves just transfering WP over into SP?
And Make it hooked to WP for entire sqaud?
For one attaching it to total sqaud points encourages sqaud play, as well as joining and playing with a Corp.
Currently its 5sp per second in match and 1sp per wp.
So what i can think of currently :
Sqaud accumulitive WP *2= "SWP"
"SWP" - 4000="SWP2" If SWP2 <0 then SP= SWP else SP= 4000+"SWP2"/2
And instead of removing bonus sp after cap i suggest removing the multiplier with this system.
This would effectively remove AFK'ers from the game, and reward sqaud play. Plus make being a dropship pilot viable even though i did have one match where my pilot raked in 750 WP with me gunning, damn good match that was but rare considering how easy they are to shoot down usually.
Note: I kept the bonus cap so low because with a sqaud of 2 i can easily make that cap, but with a sqaud of six iif all six players get 1k WP With a Cap of 4k you would be seeing every player get 8'000 SP. So the numbers may need to be played around with to get a happy number but should be averaged out for a 4 person sqaud in my opinion.
ex. 4 player sqaud all earns 1000 wp
4000*2=8000 8000-4000=4000 4000/2=2000 2000+4000=6000
Personally im happy with that as a normal average. Not sure what everyone else thinks on this though i know i will often see less than that but as long as i see one orbital pop i know ive gotten 4500 SP
If this system would be put in place CAP/Multiplier can be modified per Mode.
So what does everyone think of this? |
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
79
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Posted - 2013.07.08 22:07:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:Im not leaving the mcc until pve comes out -_-
well at least ur doing it as a forrm of protest, but u know there are others who do it just because its paying them to and they need to recive no pay |
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Soldiersaint
Reaper Galactic
67
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Posted - 2013.07.08 22:12:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Im not leaving the mcc until pve comes out -_- well technically you leave every time the match is over Aw man why did you spoil it |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
152
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Posted - 2013.07.08 22:18:00 -
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it's game breaking if you: have no squad you run with regularly, or play pick up matches. you won't find afkers in faction battles very often. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
77
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:04:00 -
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low genius wrote:it's game breaking if you: have no squad you run with regularly, or play pick up matches. you won't find afkers in faction battles very often.
its game breaking because CCP is giving us the opportunity you reap massive reward for absolutely 0 effort. and whats to stop an entire squad of vets w/alts to do this, say on a second ps3 to accrue easy sp while they proto stomp that same team with their alts on the opposing team... this is one possible example of how out of control something like this could get.
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padraic darby
planetary tactical enforcement DARKSTAR ARMY
6
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:33:00 -
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WeapondigitX V7 wrote:I once got a phone call, so I sat in the mcc while using the phone. I got 180 000 ISK and 11 000 SP during that match this week during the triple SP event.
MCC camping needs a fix.
Anyone positioned within or on top of the MCC for more than 21 seconds needs to be kicked from the game match.
Anyone that has not gained any WP within 5 minutes at the start of the match should be kicked from the match.
do you relize how many times a new players who dont know what there doing whould be kicked out of matches
two things ccp needs to focas on is the npe [new player expereance] and and ballancing weapons those two are the key to dust surviving |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
77
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Posted - 2013.07.09 00:40:00 -
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padraic darby wrote:WeapondigitX V7 wrote:I once got a phone call, so I sat in the mcc while using the phone. I got 180 000 ISK and 11 000 SP during that match this week during the triple SP event.
MCC camping needs a fix.
Anyone positioned within or on top of the MCC for more than 21 seconds needs to be kicked from the game match.
Anyone that has not gained any WP within 5 minutes at the start of the match should be kicked from the match. do you relize how many times a new players who dont know what there doing whould be kicked out of matches two things ccp needs to focas on is the npe [new player expereance] and and ballancing weapons those two are the key to dust surviving
CCP could fix this with a more comprehensive tutorial...new player experiences shouldn't give bitter vets avenues of exploitation....but the kick after 5 min with no wp is too harsh imo. |
Baku Amad
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
13
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Posted - 2013.07.09 02:10:00 -
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And yet more comments discussing something that's been suggested and shot down for multiple reasons. Please read and reply to my previous post. I put out what i believe to be a decent idea and a reasonable fix. Please give feedback good or bad and stop the qq. Im going to assume your all older than five so please start behaving like it and give decent arguments on the issues we have. Crying about it does nothing. Nobody wants to listen to a self entitled pompous a**hat so please stop acting like one. Rant over |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
81
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Posted - 2013.07.09 03:03:00 -
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Baku Amad wrote:And yet more comments discussing something that's been suggested and shot down for multiple reasons. Please read and reply to my previous post. I put out what i believe to be a decent idea and a reasonable fix. Please give feedback good or bad and stop the qq. Im going to assume your all older than five so please start behaving like it and give decent arguments on the issues we have. Crying about it does nothing. Nobody wants to listen to a self entitled pompous a**hat so please stop acting like one. Rant over
I have already stated that your approach is a step in the right direction , and ive also commented that CCP by their past actions and inaction have proven themselves to be uninterested in players solutions and tend to be more receptive of constructive criticism laying out their personal experience of how particular mechanics hurt the game... they like to create the solutions. what you call QQ I call unified dissent... something CCP has been receptive to in the past. for an example read up on the eve incarna expansion. for a more recent example of CCPs deaf ears to our solutions just read all the good ideas in these forms that were side stepped in favor of fixing the caldari female walking animations....our continued out cry will have the effect we desire long before any one players solution gets implemented.
as always thanks for your passion and your time to post on this matter. |
Baku Amad
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
13
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Posted - 2013.07.09 06:24:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:Baku Amad wrote:And yet more comments discussing something that's been suggested and shot down for multiple reasons. Please read and reply to my previous post. I put out what i believe to be a decent idea and a reasonable fix. Please give feedback good or bad and stop the qq. Im going to assume your all older than five so please start behaving like it and give decent arguments on the issues we have. Crying about it does nothing. Nobody wants to listen to a self entitled pompous a**hat so please stop acting like one. Rant over I have already stated that your approach is a step in the right direction , and ive also commented that CCP by their past actions and inaction have proven themselves to be uninterested in players solutions and tend to be more receptive of constructive criticism laying out their personal experience of how particular mechanics hurt the game... they like to create the solutions. what you call QQ I call unified dissent... something CCP has been receptive to in the past. for an example read up on the eve incarna expansion. for a more recent example of CCPs deaf ears to our solutions just read all the good ideas in these forms that were side stepped in favor of fixing the caldari female walking animations....our continued out cry will have the effect we desire long before any one players solution gets implemented. as always thanks for your passion and your time to post on this matter.
I wasn't talking about you btw. I do understand what you are saying as well. But at the same time i will play the devils advocate and defend the devs in saying that at the same time just because we see one fix that we dont think we really needed doesnt mean that they are not working hard on the things we do really want the problem that ive been able to see first hand is not the fact of ignoring issues just the fact that really do suck at informing us of what is going on. I can understand other companys keeping things under raps but they also have larger player base's. In a small community like ours we need to be informed. An informed society is a happy one.
But my main complaints were about the fact that CCP does do alot better than other companys with being involved with their community. But they do seem to take more pride in it than they should i admit. |
RINON114
B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance
231
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Posted - 2013.07.09 08:40:00 -
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I don't MCC farm, and I don't see how it's such a big problem unless three or four members of your team are doing it. I understand that it lowers the perceived value of SP or ISK gained by those who participate, but you do get a lot more SP and ISK from taking part, blowing up tanks etc.
The only thing you lose by playing instead of farming is ISK and it's up to you how much ISK you lose. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
87
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Posted - 2013.07.09 08:47:00 -
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RINON114 wrote:I don't MCC farm, and I don't see how it's such a big problem unless three or four members of your team are doing it. I understand that it lowers the perceived value of SP or ISK gained by those who participate, but you do get a lot more SP and ISK from taking part, blowing up tanks etc.
The only thing you lose by playing instead of farming is ISK and it's up to you how much ISK you lose.
this is actually not true... lets say you have a really bad match where you get say 300 wp and die 7 times... if you had just camped the MCC you actually get more sp and isk than if you participated...and bad matches aside I was in a match where my team won and I MCC camped and got 18000 sp and then I was in a match where I participated and my tean lost and got 15000... I tested this and on average my statement holds true... but aside from this lowering the perceived value of isk and sp for participators is enough... its demoralizing and frustrating and makes the whole experience less fun |
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