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Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:26:00 -
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About 4 months have passed since you replied to my DS thread with this: CCP Blam! wrote:Hi guys, let me provide you guys with provide some feedback on this topic.
1. We are looking at doing re-balancing of our AV weapons. One of the topics, which also seems to be showing through on this thread is to keep a decently long enough range on the forge gun, but also look at the damage decay variable over time on it, optimal ranges, etc. Because agreed, that it is a very potent anti-vehicle weapon and it's not exactly something that is easily countered with countermeasures (see next point). We also don't want the forge gun to be nerfed to the point of feeling ineffective, so a direct reduction of damage output across the board is not going to be the simple answer there.
2. We are also want to get countermeasures in soon, as well as a lock-on warning system for players piloting vehicles that have been locked on to. The lock-on indication will be a graduated indicator so that you will have a decent idea of how imminent your time to impact is and can choose to act accordingly. Furthermore, we're also working on porting lock-on to a certain subset of turrets. This will come in helpful for dropship pilots who are engaged in dogfights, or supporting assaults against ground units.
3. As one of our immediate tasks, we want to look at how we can provide dropship pilots with more chances to earn WP. We have lots of ideas in mind, however we need to tread carefully on this one so that we're not opening up too many opportunities for exploit. Some of the ideas that are bouncing around are providing WP for players spawned into your craft, WP for use of active scanners (possibly more specialized ones), and finding a way to re-introduce WP for remote repairs without exploit.
4. We will be reducing the ISK cost of dropships so that players can get into them more easily, while also looking at the overall skill cost of this class of vehicle.
5. Lastly, we're aware of turret issues that have come up. Many of the improvements needed will require code support to fix lingering bugs as well as further flesh out existing systems. We are currently working on this as our next set of code fixes. And I'm just curious as to where you guys are in WP process of these updates, because as we know, CCP did in-fact address the issue of range like you said they would a while back. But i am really, eagerly wanting to know when the WP update is being planned, since you said 4 months ago you guys had many ideas on it, and you wanted to get it done immediately. Not trying to bug you or anything, but i would really, really appreciate an idea on when it's dropping. |
Kiro Justice
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.07 23:42:00 -
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Bump, cuz pilots deserve this. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:20:00 -
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Why are you asking questions that you know the answer to? |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:23:00 -
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It's called a road map, not a flight plan.
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Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:23:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Why are you asking questions that you know the answer to? Because there could actually be a good chance it's coming, since they followed up on 2 of those promises listed in that reply |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
114
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:25:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:It's called a road map, not a flight plan. Actually, it's a flight plan inside of a road map.. planception. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:26:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:It's called a road map, not a flight plan.
They ain't going to develop an accurate road map without the perspective from the sky. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
4531
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:27:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:It's called a road map, not a flight plan. They ain't going to develop an accurate road map without the perspective from the sky. They seem to favor brief views of the sky followed by redish light and a close view of the road.
:/ |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:29:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote: They ain't going to develop an accurate road map without the perspective from the sky.
Quote of the month right here. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
753
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:29:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Why are you asking questions that you know the answer to? Because there could actually be a good chance it's coming, since they followed up on 2 of those promises listed in that reply
Their idea of fixing dropships was going to be forcing them to use a pilot suit to be semi viable at all. A HUGE SP sink, which at some point they even said might affect things like "War points gained". A seriously lazy way to tack on rewards. Spend 3 million SP on a suit so you get ANY wp, and maybe over 3 years you'll make back the investment! Derp.
I'm not even making this up either.
Anyhow, the pilot suits aren't going to be in 1.3. Likely not 1.4 now either.
And when it comes it will be disappointing. Also any 'buff' it gives DS will have it's practical effectiveness multiplied by 5 when used with a LAV or HAV. So, think of pilot suits as a minor buff to DS and major buff to LAV/HAV. SInce they'll use it more efficiently so really we're getting vehicles that will kill DS easier and be harder for DS to kill.
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Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:39:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Why are you asking questions that you know the answer to? Because there could actually be a good chance it's coming, since they followed up on 2 of those promises listed in that reply Their idea of fixing dropships was going to be forcing them to use a pilot suit to be semi viable at all. A HUGE SP sink, which at some point they even said might affect things like "War points gained". A seriously lazy way to tack on rewards. Spend 3 million SP on a suit so you get ANY wp, and maybe over 3 years you'll make back the investment! Derp. I'm not even making this up either. Anyhow, the pilot suits aren't going to be in 1.3. Likely not 1.4 now either. And when it comes it will be disappointing. Also any 'buff' it gives DS will have it's practical effectiveness multiplied by 5 when used with a LAV or HAV. So, think of pilot suits as a minor buff to DS and major buff to LAV/HAV. SInce they'll use it more efficiently so really we're getting vehicles that will kill DS easier and be harder for DS to kill. I still retain some hope that what CCP Blam said about WP will be fixed, as well as countermeasures being put in place. I wouldn't count on the pilot suit as the only update dropships will get, because i mean, the consensious of how ****** over dropship pilots are right now is higher than ever, and if CCP doesn't recognize this, it will be their loss, literally. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
765
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:52:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Why are you asking questions that you know the answer to? Because there could actually be a good chance it's coming, since they followed up on 2 of those promises listed in that reply Their idea of fixing dropships was going to be forcing them to use a pilot suit to be semi viable at all. A HUGE SP sink, which at some point they even said might affect things like "War points gained". A seriously lazy way to tack on rewards. Spend 3 million SP on a suit so you get ANY wp, and maybe over 3 years you'll make back the investment! Derp. I'm not even making this up either. Anyhow, the pilot suits aren't going to be in 1.3. Likely not 1.4 now either. And when it comes it will be disappointing. Also any 'buff' it gives DS will have it's practical effectiveness multiplied by 5 when used with a LAV or HAV. So, think of pilot suits as a minor buff to DS and major buff to LAV/HAV. SInce they'll use it more efficiently so really we're getting vehicles that will kill DS easier and be harder for DS to kill. I still retain some hope that what CCP Blam said about WP will be fixed, as well as countermeasures being put in place. I wouldn't count on the pilot suit as the only update dropships will get, because i mean, the consensious of how ****** over dropship pilots are right now is higher than ever, and if CCP doesn't recognize this, it will be their loss, literally.
Dude they don't care simply because we're like 0.05% of the population. AR, ground, tanks, and murder taxi are their bread and butter. Why waste precious development resources on such a miniscule portion of the player base? It's a cold hard fact that as a company they have no incentive to fix DS, if anything they profit by leaving it as a pinyata for noob players to feel good about destroying with militia AV.
Basically every DS pilot could quit the game and bring 2 players with them into the void, CCP would have the net effect of gaining money because new players who want this to be COD would be pleased and join as replacements.
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Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:56:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Why are you asking questions that you know the answer to? Because there could actually be a good chance it's coming, since they followed up on 2 of those promises listed in that reply Their idea of fixing dropships was going to be forcing them to use a pilot suit to be semi viable at all. A HUGE SP sink, which at some point they even said might affect things like "War points gained". A seriously lazy way to tack on rewards. Spend 3 million SP on a suit so you get ANY wp, and maybe over 3 years you'll make back the investment! Derp. I'm not even making this up either. Anyhow, the pilot suits aren't going to be in 1.3. Likely not 1.4 now either. And when it comes it will be disappointing. Also any 'buff' it gives DS will have it's practical effectiveness multiplied by 5 when used with a LAV or HAV. So, think of pilot suits as a minor buff to DS and major buff to LAV/HAV. SInce they'll use it more efficiently so really we're getting vehicles that will kill DS easier and be harder for DS to kill. I still retain some hope that what CCP Blam said about WP will be fixed, as well as countermeasures being put in place. I wouldn't count on the pilot suit as the only update dropships will get, because i mean, the consensious of how ****** over dropship pilots are right now is higher than ever, and if CCP doesn't recognize this, it will be their loss, literally. Dude they don't care simply because we're like 0.05% of the population. AR, ground, tanks, and murder taxi are their bread and butter. Why waste precious development resources on such a miniscule portion of the player base? It's a cold hard fact that as a company they have no incentive to fix DS, if anything they profit by leaving it as a pinyata for noob players to feel good about destroying with militia AV. Basically every DS pilot could quit the game and bring 2 players with them into the void, CCP would have the net effect of gaining money because new players who want this to be COD would be pleased and join as replacements. Eh... I chose to not be as pessimistic. Lol |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.08 00:58:00 -
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I see a lot of speculation and theories being presented as facts in these... Ah... Arguments... |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.07.08 01:01:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I see a lot of speculation and theories being presented as facts in these... Ah... Arguments... Which is why i chose to be more optimistic, many are just speculation into what they will do, while CCP Blam seems to say otherwise. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
784
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Posted - 2013.07.08 01:04:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I see a lot of speculation and theories being presented as facts in these... Ah... Arguments... Which is why i chose to be more optimistic, many are just speculation into what they will do, while CCP Blam seems to say otherwise.
optimism is incompatible with expecting CCP to comment on a DS fix. Time has shown this to be true, sans some hollow words. If that's what you wanted then maybe you'll get lucky.
Look back in time at all the "promises" made about DS. It's kind of impressive that none of it's come true. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
137
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Posted - 2013.07.08 01:07:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I see a lot of speculation and theories being presented as facts in these... Ah... Arguments... Which is why i chose to be more optimistic, many are just speculation into what they will do, while CCP Blam seems to say otherwise. optimism is incompatible with expecting CCP to comment on a DS fix. Time has shown this to be true, sans some hollow words. If that's what you wanted then maybe you'll get lucky. Look back in time at all the "promises" made about DS. It's kind of impressive that none of it's come true. I too had the same mind set before CCP Blam replied and they actually began to act on some of those promises, i have a feeling they will follow up eventually on the others. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
786
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Posted - 2013.07.08 01:16:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:I see a lot of speculation and theories being presented as facts in these... Ah... Arguments... Which is why i chose to be more optimistic, many are just speculation into what they will do, while CCP Blam seems to say otherwise. optimism is incompatible with expecting CCP to comment on a DS fix. Time has shown this to be true, sans some hollow words. If that's what you wanted then maybe you'll get lucky. Look back in time at all the "promises" made about DS. It's kind of impressive that none of it's come true. I too had the same mind set before CCP Blam replied and they actually began to act on some of those promises, i have a feeling they will follow up eventually on the others.
What when forever ago they said they'd lower DS price by about half. Then uprising came, it was in patch notes, but not in the patch. And it took them 3 months to swap a single value in a database that takes 5 seconds?
And the reduction was one third?
That my friends is what we call "A day late and a dollar short". Except it's several months late and several hundred thousand ISK short.
Anyhow, this is how I see things getting done for DS. So wait a year or two they'll talk about it. Then a year later put it in patch notes. Then a few months later actually implement it, but it will be broken. Probably bring new bugs (like uprising turret and gunner bugs which they still have yet to even acknowledge and are GAME BREAKING for gunners). Then everyone's died of old age or quit dust. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
649
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Posted - 2013.07.08 01:28:00 -
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Dropships, scouts, heavies, the sp rollover system, combat rifle, rail rifle...
all things that have been put on hold while they work on core mechanics.
I wouldn't expect new content until 1.5 at the earliest. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
786
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Posted - 2013.07.08 01:32:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Dropships, scouts, heavies, the sp rollover system, combat rifle, rail rifle...
all things that have been put on hold while they work on core mechanics.
I wouldn't expect new content until 1.5 at the earliest.
Adding a line to give pilots WP for MCRU spawns, scanned enemies and a bit more HP isn't really content that takes time to do. They just refuse to because they claim it would be exploited yet are blind to the same "exploiting" that's done more easily with drop uplinks. It makes no sense.
And as judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense. It's probably BS. Or something like that. In other words these are their excuses because they don't Want to. |
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Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
143
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Posted - 2013.07.08 01:46:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Dropships, scouts, heavies, the sp rollover system, combat rifle, rail rifle...
all things that have been put on hold while they work on core mechanics.
I wouldn't expect new content until 1.5 at the earliest. Adding a line to give pilots WP for MCRU spawns, scanned enemies and a bit more HP isn't really content that takes time to do. They just refuse to because they claim it would be exploited yet are blind to the same "exploiting" that's done more easily with drop uplinks. It makes no sense. And as judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense. It's probably BS. Or something like that. In other words these are their excuses because they don't Want to. "don't p*ss on my face and tell me it's raining" - Judge Judy |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
788
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Posted - 2013.07.08 01:48:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Dropships, scouts, heavies, the sp rollover system, combat rifle, rail rifle...
all things that have been put on hold while they work on core mechanics.
I wouldn't expect new content until 1.5 at the earliest. Adding a line to give pilots WP for MCRU spawns, scanned enemies and a bit more HP isn't really content that takes time to do. They just refuse to because they claim it would be exploited yet are blind to the same "exploiting" that's done more easily with drop uplinks. It makes no sense. And as judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense. It's probably BS. Or something like that. In other words these are their excuses because they don't Want to. "don't p*ss on my face and tell me it's raining" - Judge Judy
A woman full of wisdom |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
143
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Posted - 2013.07.08 02:10:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Serimos Haeraven wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Dropships, scouts, heavies, the sp rollover system, combat rifle, rail rifle...
all things that have been put on hold while they work on core mechanics.
I wouldn't expect new content until 1.5 at the earliest. Adding a line to give pilots WP for MCRU spawns, scanned enemies and a bit more HP isn't really content that takes time to do. They just refuse to because they claim it would be exploited yet are blind to the same "exploiting" that's done more easily with drop uplinks. It makes no sense. And as judge Judy says, if it doesn't make sense. It's probably BS. Or something like that. In other words these are their excuses because they don't Want to. "don't p*ss on my face and tell me it's raining" - Judge Judy A woman full of wisdom And a game developing company that currently is lacking in it. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
153
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Posted - 2013.07.08 15:44:00 -
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Going to bump-revive this once a day in the hopes CCP Blam takes notice. |
Taurion Bruni
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ Orion Empire
108
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Posted - 2013.07.08 18:08:00 -
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Unfortunatly, our alleged cpm will not help either, i do believe one retorted, saying, "learn i fly better"
Our voice will never be heard, so nothing will ever change |
Cy Clone1
Ill Omens EoN.
57
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Posted - 2013.07.08 18:44:00 -
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so are we fairly sure the pilot suits are not coming out in 1.3? |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
823
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Posted - 2013.07.08 18:53:00 -
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Cy Clone1 wrote:so are we fairly sure the pilot suits are not coming out in 1.3?
Of course not, why would they? |
Cy Clone1
Ill Omens EoN.
58
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Posted - 2013.07.08 19:06:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Cy Clone1 wrote:so are we fairly sure the pilot suits are not coming out in 1.3? Of course not, why would they?
I don't know why. im feeling a little bit lonely. CCP never spends anytime on me anymore. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
1696
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Posted - 2013.07.08 19:35:00 -
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On the positive side Blam did fix the follow camera so it takes the vertical look invert from the infantry setting. That's something I'd been asking for for months. It would make the ADS usable for me if I hadn't already dumped vehicles with my last respec.
The reall work will be developing viable support roles such as scanning, spawning, and remote repair along with adequate threat warning systems. That will take reworking scanners and the repair module.
It won't mean much if he simply continues with gunship/bomber development because the moment such a ship became effective the forums would erupt as they did during the brief missile reign we had back in Precursor. Infantry in DUST does not tolerate effective vehicles when their purpose is to kill infantry.
The best thing for dropships would be game modes where their capabilities were really advantageous for a team (along with a reason to win) but that is likely to take a very long time to create. Before that he can come up with a few uses that infantry would actually cheer the way they applaud Logies. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
159
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Posted - 2013.07.08 19:48:00 -
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Taurion Bruni wrote:Unfortunatly, our alleged cpm will not help either, i do believe one retorted, saying, "learn i fly better"
Our voice will never be heard, so nothing will ever change I remember that comment being made on my topic a while ago, but that was only a CPM being a complete **** who wasn't looking at the issues around dropships, So i ignored it and got that reply from Blam who is a CCP dev, with a ton of more credit than a mere CPM is. So that's why i am still so invested in this. |
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