go heavy once. then complain

You really spent 6 months specializing into one build and now you can't run anything else?

Yes, go heavy once and you'll realize that all you have to do to kill a scout is look at him/her too hard? Your argument is weak sauce.

Welcome to New Eden

go heavy once. then complain

What skill do you need in heavy? Good suit good armor good gun?
Dude check it
Shot gun
Nova knives
Endurance 5 just to open kinetics
Kinetics
Cardiac regulation
Shield upgrads
Shield extention
Basic light
Scout lv5
Profile dampening
Everything level 4:5
Including proficiency
Stupid heavy has not even near the point investment so don't even start
Basic

I was a scout.

But instead of whining, I used the triple SP we're getting (actually bought a booster for once) to throw a pile of SP into vehicles.
This event is the perfect opportunity to "respec"

proto skilling a logi all the way is no short trip either , heavies do have it a little easier climbing the skill tree imo also. ( not saying something should be done about that )

Welcome to New Eden

quick, send me $5 mil isk and i can tell of a glich that can reset your SP....

Anyone else choked about this and know what the fixing plan is or if their is one?

I can't remember a single change like this happening to eve online without 2-3 months notice, sooooooo.... no.

I feel your pain, OZAROW. I've been playing scout also for about 5-6 months, and while I thought it was challenging at first, now it is basically suicide mode every game!!

I am usually lucky if I get a kill every time I spawn in.... between my shotgun not hitting anything, even when I'm super close, my suit being made of paper, and everyone strafing all over the place it's next to impossible. On the occasional match where I snipe, I'm luck to be able to get anyone to render properly or even then get my hits to register.

We have really been rolled lately.

Here is a post in the CPM section which mentions the issues with scout suits, and it seems it's a recognized problem at CCP but fixing the core mechanics will be the focus for the next few builds. It seems we will have to hold out a while longer.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=91359&p=2

quick, send me $5 mil isk and i can tell of a glich that can reset your SP....

What skill do you need in heavy? Good suit good armor good gun?
Dude check it
Shot gun
Nova knives
Endurance 5 just to open kinetics
Kinetics
Cardiac regulation
Shield upgrads
Shield extention
Basic light
Scout lv5
Profile dampening
Everything level 4:5
Including proficiency
Stupid heavy has not even near the point investment so don't even start
Basic

i just went 20/5 with a dragonfly scout. maybe you just suck

Spent 6 months running boosters only to have my entire scout class ruined!
Hit box too big
Knives delay an cant hit a target right beside because of knife button quick slash delay an strafe speed almost impossible
Endurance nerf to jumping, melee, running and endurance bar delay too much even with endurance skil, cardiac an kinetic proto
Scout suit now garbage
Almost impossible to not go even .
Minmatar suit is a assassin not recon!
So ccp thanks for wreaking months of money an hard work my question is what are you going to do about it?
Respects for all scouts an drop the class all together or fix it?
Probably got close to 2 bills out of me only to destroy my wasted funds
Stupid me for believing it was worth it!
Anyone else choked about this and know what the fixing plan is or if their is one?

What weapon? Oh isn't this when the children play? Maybe you should play a 4 am when the men are awake

What weapon? Oh isn't this when the children play? Maybe you should play a 4 am when the men are awake

I'm actually glad this happened to YOU specifically. You are a doomsayer, you whine a bunch and you're just generally annoying. Enjoy you're lulKnives.

i run an exile

Spent 6 months running boosters only to have my entire scout class ruined!
Hit box too big
Knives delay an cant hit a target right beside because of knife button quick slash delay an strafe speed almost impossible
Endurance nerf to jumping, melee, running and endurance bar delay too much even with endurance skil, cardiac an kinetic proto
Scout suit now garbage
Almost impossible to not go even .
Minmatar suit is a assassin not recon!
So ccp thanks for wreaking months of money an hard work my question is what are you going to do about it?
Respects for all scouts an drop the class all together or fix it?
Probably got close to 2 bills out of me only to destroy my wasted funds
Stupid me for believing it was worth it!
Anyone else choked about this and know what the fixing plan is or if their is one?

I'm finding the lack of physics involved in random directional changes along with higher strafing speeds makes sniping challenging. If I'm close enough to have a bigger target I'm dead meat to anything with an AR.

Have to echo the frustration of making an apparent on-target shot and not getting any damage.

It's going to be a long time until 1.3 it seems. I'm still investing SP in my scout/sniper role -- we'll see how that turns out. I've been on the verge of "taking a break" a couple times since the upgrade. I'm hoping I'm just not used to it yet.

stop b1tching that your dropsuit isnt good go make it stronger or even better go get good at the game. survival of the adaptable

Lol use knives an get back to me dragonfly

Scout suit.

SCOUT suit.

Given the list of Specialization names that was posted a few weeks ago, of which FIVE of those were Light frame suits, might they be trying to make the recon suit into a recon suit in order to make the way for, say, Breach and SpecOps suits?

A breach scout could be dope !

@ sol didn't mommy ground you this week from the computer?
It's ok tell her I said you can have ten more minutes, then you gotta let the grown ups talk ok

Use knives noob

Guess he realized he cant quote more than 5 times lol

so many people saying the Light assault class are fine errr scouts. have fun trolls!

Spent 6 months running boosters only to have my entire scout class ruined!
Hit box too big
Knives delay an cant hit a target right beside because of knife button quick slash delay an strafe speed almost impossible
Endurance nerf to jumping, melee, running and endurance bar delay too much even with endurance skil, cardiac an kinetic proto
Scout suit now garbage
Almost impossible to not go even .
Minmatar suit is a assassin not recon!
So ccp thanks for wreaking months of money an hard work my question is what are you going to do about it?
Respects for all scouts an drop the class all together or fix it?
Probably got close to 2 bills out of me only to destroy my wasted funds
Stupid me for believing it was worth it!
Anyone else choked about this and know what the fixing plan is or if their is one?

They'll probably buff it. Eventually. Maybe sooner than that since they did say that balance issues were a high priority alongside performance issues. You really spent 6 months specializing into one build and now you can't run anything else? Nice sob story, enjoy your Nova Knife Proficiency 5, lol.

Spent 6 months running boosters only to have my entire scout class ruined!
Hit box too big
Knives delay an cant hit a target right beside because of knife button quick slash delay an strafe speed almost impossible
Endurance nerf to jumping, melee, running and endurance bar delay too much even with endurance skil, cardiac an kinetic proto
Scout suit now garbage
Almost impossible to not go even .
Minmatar suit is a assassin not recon!
So ccp thanks for wreaking months of money an hard work my question is what are you going to do about it?
Respects for all scouts an drop the class all together or fix it?
Probably got close to 2 bills out of me only to destroy my wasted funds
Stupid me for believing it was worth it!
Anyone else choked about this and know what the fixing plan is or if their is one?

Spent 6 months running boosters only to have my entire scout class ruined!
Hit box too big
Knives delay an cant hit a target right beside because of knife button quick slash delay an strafe speed almost impossible
Endurance nerf to jumping, melee, running and endurance bar delay too much even with endurance skil, cardiac an kinetic proto
Scout suit now garbage
Almost impossible to not go even .
Minmatar suit is a assassin not recon!
So ccp thanks for wreaking months of money an hard work my question is what are you going to do about it?
Respects for all scouts an drop the class all together or fix it?
Probably got close to 2 bills out of me only to destroy my wasted funds
Stupid me for believing it was worth it!
Anyone else choked about this and know what the fixing plan is or if their is one?

They'll probably buff it. Eventually. Maybe sooner than that since they did say that balance issues were a high priority alongside performance issues. You really spent 6 months specializing into one build and now you can't run anything else? Nice sob story, enjoy your Nova Knife Proficiency 5, lol.

Spent 6 months running boosters only to have my entire scout class ruined!
Hit box too big
Knives delay an cant hit a target right beside because of knife button quick slash delay an strafe speed almost impossible
Endurance nerf to jumping, melee, running and endurance bar delay too much even with endurance skil, cardiac an kinetic proto
Scout suit now garbage
Almost impossible to not go even .
Minmatar suit is a assassin not recon!
So ccp thanks for wreaking months of money an hard work my question is what are you going to do about it?
Respects for all scouts an drop the class all together or fix it?
Probably got close to 2 bills out of me only to destroy my wasted funds
Stupid me for believing it was worth it!
Anyone else choked about this and know what the fixing plan is or if their is one?

Classic as to why we need a respec option available at all times via aurum points. 50,000 aurum points. That's 2 psn cards money for Sony and CCP. If it was available this thread would've never been made.

Make it happen CCP what's good that's money in the bank.

Scout suit.

SCOUT suit.

Given the list of Specialization names that was posted a few weeks ago, of which FIVE of those were Light frame suits, might they be trying to make the recon suit into a recon suit in order to make the way for, say, Breach and SpecOps suits?

i just went 20/5 with a dragonfly scout. maybe you just suck

Are still in the academy or something? It doesn't count if you were in a dragonfly suit in a lav you know...

I dunno, hit-box for scouts seems extremely iffy. Hip-fire against them is absolutely terrible.

Not to mention scouts (along with heavies) seem to have some invulnerability to core nades and Thukkers (maybe all nades). Many times I can score direct hits and no health will be taken.

Spent 6 months running boosters only to have my entire scout class ruined!
Hit box too big
Knives delay an cant hit a target right beside because of knife button quick slash delay an strafe speed almost impossible
Endurance nerf to jumping, melee, running and endurance bar delay too much even with endurance skil, cardiac an kinetic proto
Scout suit now garbage
Almost impossible to not go even .
Minmatar suit is a assassin not recon!
So ccp thanks for wreaking months of money an hard work my question is what are you going to do about it?
Respects for all scouts an drop the class all together or fix it?
Probably got close to 2 bills out of me only to destroy my wasted funds
Stupid me for believing it was worth it!
Anyone else choked about this and know what the fixing plan is or if their is one?

Thanks bro join scout channel BACON KNIVES

Boy I wish that were true

Thanks bro join scout channel BACON KNIVES

What skill do you need in heavy? Good suit good armor good gun?
Dude check it
Shot gun
Nova knives
Endurance 5 just to open kinetics
Kinetics
Cardiac regulation
Shield upgrads
Shield extention
Basic light
Scout lv5
Profile dampening
Everything level 4:5
Including proficiency
Stupid heavy has not even near the point investment so don't even start
Basic

Join ScoutsUnited

We got yo Jacobi
We got yo Marauder
We got squads of scouts

Join the club. Join the Scout Registry

I'm finding the lack of physics involved in random directional changes along with higher strafing speeds makes sniping challenging. If I'm close enough to have a bigger target I'm dead meat to anything with an AR.

Have to echo the frustration of making an apparent on-target shot and not getting any damage.

It's going to be a long time until 1.3 it seems. I'm still investing SP in my scout/sniper role -- we'll see how that turns out. I've been on the verge of "taking a break" a couple times since the upgrade. I'm hoping I'm just not used to it yet.

lets not count suits here becuase they will cost is the same.

Endurance lvl 5 for kinetices so we can MOVE if we want to.
armor reps lvl 5
armor plates lvl 5
Handed wepons to lvl 3
HMG operation lvl 5
Handheld upgrades lvl 5
Kinetices lvl 5 TO sprint faster.
PG upgrades lvl 4
CPU upgrades lvl 4
Sub lvl 5
Sub proficiency lvl 5
Forge guns lvl 4 or 5

Not the only heavy to do thi.s

HOW ABOUT THIS.
Scouts dont bag on heavys
Heavys dont bag on scouts.

Work togeather to nerf or buff are class to FIGHT caldari logys

+1, but you also forgot shields in your skill list

I'm not whining an I did do that, but I play this game because the scout is my style an I want it back lol all u did was buy a car not even the same ball park

Specialization is supposed to be the entire basis of this game and a main selling point, the thing that it has and no other shooter can touch. Being a jack of all trades is discouraged by the very long skill training times. Which means that OZAROW took the correct approach by fully skilling into a very specific build, and the onus lies with CCP to actually make a balanced game.

We just continue going from one trump card to the next. At one point Scouts were world-beaters because they couldn't be shot, then Tanks, then swarm launchers, then laser rifles, then Tactical Assault Rifles, and now everyone is demanding respecs so they can put their skill points into the newest trump card of Caldari Logi.

So, go f*ck yourself Oso Peresoso, OZAROW actually spent the time to skill his character in the way that this game is supposed to operate.

The huge elephant in the room, and the one that will prevent CCP from growing the DUST population is the fact that it takes 6 months to really get anywhere near completing a specific build, but if there is no stable foundation of balance, then why would anyone spend the time skilling into anything? Once you complete the build you were working on for 6 months it may go from being a viable option to being completely and utterly useless.

Spent 6 months running boosters only to have my entire scout class ruined!
Hit box too big
Knives delay an cant hit a target right beside because of knife button quick slash delay an strafe speed almost impossible
Endurance nerf to jumping, melee, running and endurance bar delay too much even with endurance skil, cardiac an kinetic proto
Scout suit now garbage
Almost impossible to not go even .
Minmatar suit is a assassin not recon!
So ccp thanks for wreaking months of money an hard work my question is what are you going to do about it?
Respects for all scouts an drop the class all together or fix it?
Probably got close to 2 bills out of me only to destroy my wasted funds
Stupid me for believing it was worth it!
Anyone else choked about this and know what the fixing plan is or if their is one?

Scouts do have by far the highest sp requirements for use.

Katalyzer requires lvl 5 endurance

Shotty, lvl 4 light weapon

Hacking, lvl 4 core upgrades

It's ridiculous really for how weak the suits are.

Scouts are a total sp sink right now, I've already skilled out of mine but I do run it occasionally if I want a quick few deaths.

I was going to go with hacking on my scout but I'm still torn on it. After checking out the Minimatar Logi suit, I realize that hacking shouldn't be a focus. I might drop one or two ranks into it but I'm uncertain, still. On one hand, I feel like the role of the scout can be a speed hacker (running to hack and fleeing before being caught) but at the same time, that doesn't exactly seem the 'right' way to play my scout. I'm new so I'm probably doing it 'wrong'.

I feel like I should be avoiding being the forward hacker - that's basically asking my guy who is tissue paper to hopefully manage to hack and capture a node when I could, instead, be planting remote explosives/droplinks in areas and hunting for enemy droplinks/nanohives to take out while keeping an eye out for potential enemy clones to merc as I relay information about where the enemy is concentrated to my squad/team. That doesn't mean I wouldn't be hacking when the opportunity arises, however, but I'd want to make sure that the enemy is far enough away that they're not going to catch me. This could be more stealth than speed.

Basically, hacking is ridiculously expensive and I have no clue what I'm doing on my scout.

Also; I wish we received WP for destroying enemy droplinks/nanohives. Five points wold be nice. Counter-Hacking along with vehicle hacking, too. Anything that is helping the team win, even if it is a war of attrition.

That's kind of the point to skilling into hacking, so your paper thin scout can actually get a hack off fast enough that he doesn't get killed.

I see some people still play Scout good.. Get better.

Cant uses shields with current heavy suit. only 2 highs on basic and 1 on sentinel
Waiting for caldari heavy

Yes, go heavy once and you'll realize that all you have to do to kill a scout is look at him/her too hard? Your argument is weak sauce.

Glad I never spent any money here.

What? Scouts can strafe faster than a heavies turn speed.

Confirmed scout class is useless now, whoever is In house testing this game is handicapped

Confirmed scout class is useless now, whoever is In house testing this game is handicapped

Confirmed scout class is useless now, whoever is In house testing this game is handicapped