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CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 257	Posted - 2013.07.07 09:47:00 - [1] - Quote Judging by how people ask for nerfs, the objective definition of OP is: 1) Something that isn't an AR 2) Something that gets kills, often 3) Something I do not use Can we all agree with that? I just saw a thread asking to nerf every effective non-AR weapon. Funny thing was that tanks weren't on that list and when an AR scrub doesnt want to nerf tanks, you know they're official beat into the ground.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 799	Posted - 2013.07.07 09:49:00 - [2] - Quote People scream the AR is OP all the time, what forums do you read?
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 257	Posted - 2013.07.07 09:51:00 - [3] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: People scream the AR is OP all the time, what forums do you read? Then where is my AR nerf when everything around it gets beat into the ground for killing something
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 172	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:04:00 - [4] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Delta 749 wrote: People scream the AR is OP all the time, what forums do you read? Then where is my AR nerf when everything around it gets beat into the ground for killing something What forums you read ? I want to know too... The AR got the most nerfing in Uprising, and still getting nerf with each new update. The HMG "got" a nerf, but the QQing was so extreme that CCP un-nerfed the HMG few days later... and by doing so, they unbalanced the full game.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 800	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:06:00 - [5] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Delta 749 wrote: People scream the AR is OP all the time, what forums do you read? Then where is my AR nerf when everything around it gets beat into the ground for killing something What, 3 out of 4 variants being next to useless isnt enough?
APX147 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:07:00 - [6] - Quote If anything the AR needs a buff.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 45	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:17:00 - [7] - Quote other than O'dell, all above me is Assaulters. I assume they all think that AV grenades is balanced as well (would be shocked if they didn't). Peace, Aizen
Soozu 5o1st 116	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:21:00 - [8] - Quote I'm OP
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 172	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:37:00 - [9] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: other than O'dell, all above me is Assaulters. I assume they all think that AV grenades is balanced as well (would be shocked if they didn't). Peace, Aizen I'm a Commando ... I believe that is a "Heavy"... right ?
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 801	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:40:00 - [10] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: other than O'dell, all above me is Assaulters. I assume they all think that AV grenades is balanced as well (would be shocked if they didn't). Peace, Aizen Only half right, the other half Im running logistics dropping links and hives and tailing heavies keeping their health topped off

Cosgar ParagonX 2257	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:42:00 - [11] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: other than O'dell, all above me is Assaulters. I assume they all think that AV grenades is balanced as well (would be shocked if they didn't). Peace, Aizen Those are the same people that think enforcer tanks count as prototypes.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 172	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:45:00 - [12] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: other than O'dell, all above me is Assaulters. I assume they all think that AV grenades is balanced as well (would be shocked if they didn't). Peace, Aizen Those are the same people that think enforcer tanks count as prototypes. A Logi Bro, and a Commando ...what are you talking about ? The AR is my main defense...since i can't use a HMG, and i die like a fly.
Marc Mordein Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:47:00 - [13] - Quote It's the person with that makes that make th gun op not the gun it's self.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 60	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:51:00 - [14] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: What forums you read ? I want to know too... The AR got the most nerfing in Uprising, and still getting nerf with each new update. The HMG "got" a nerf, but the QQing was so extreme that CCP un-nerfed the HMG few days later... and by doing so, they unbalanced the full game. You're kidding right? AR was nerfed in Uprising but I think lasers, shotguns, MDs, HMGs all got it far worse. They've worked on HMG a little and did fix the MD. The shotgun adapted to a new lesser role and...well lasers never recovered. The only weapons that had it easier than ARs in the transition were SMGs and Scrambler Pistols.
Tharak Meuridiar The Empyrean Agency 124	Posted - 2013.07.07 11:00:00 - [15] - Quote APX147 wrote: If anything the AR needs a buff. I really liked the breakdown someone gave the other day of all the ways they died Quote: Here are the weapons I died to the most (This list is incredibly predictable) 37 Assault Rifle Deaths 7 HMG Deaths 7 Scrambler Rifle Deaths 5 Mass Driver Deaths 3 SMG Deaths 3 Crushed by LAVs 2 Blaster Installation Deaths 2 HAV Blaster Turrets 2 Fused Locus Grenade Deaths 2 Shotgun Deaths 2 Sniper Deaths 1 Locus Grenade Death 1 Crushed by HAV 1 Flaylock Death 1 Orbital Death This list is pretty consistent with my main causes of death while using medium suits, and roughly consistent with what I die from as a heavy. I think it makes it painfully obvious just how ridiculous your statement is.
Dust Project 514 Dust Evo 514 95	Posted - 2013.07.07 11:01:00 - [16] - Quote Something that dishes out more damage per second than others can or something that kills easily with too little cost.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 801	Posted - 2013.07.07 11:05:00 - [17] - Quote Tharak Meuridiar wrote: APX147 wrote: If anything the AR needs a buff. I really liked the breakdown someone gave the other day of all the ways they died Quote: Here are the weapons I died to the most (This list is incredibly predictable) 37 Assault Rifle Deaths 7 HMG Deaths 7 Scrambler Rifle Deaths 5 Mass Driver Deaths 3 SMG Deaths 3 Crushed by LAVs 2 Blaster Installation Deaths 2 HAV Blaster Turrets 2 Fused Locus Grenade Deaths 2 Shotgun Deaths 2 Sniper Deaths 1 Locus Grenade Death 1 Crushed by HAV 1 Flaylock Death 1 Orbital Death This list is pretty consistent with my main causes of death while using medium suits, and roughly consistent with what I die from as a heavy. I think it makes it painfully obvious just how ridiculous your statement is. You know what else is ridiculous, this assertion that because a lot of people use it then it must be over powered I mean its not like people might use it because its the first gun they will likely use and thus learn to handle well, and people definitely never use it because they dont want to be locked into an infantry niche
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 45	Posted - 2013.07.07 11:09:00 - [18] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Cosgar wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: other than O'dell, all above me is Assaulters. I assume they all think that AV grenades is balanced as well (would be shocked if they didn't). Peace, Aizen Those are the same people that think enforcer tanks count as prototypes. A Logi Bro, and a Commando ...what are you talking about ? The AR is my main defense...since i can't use a HMG, and i die like a fly. both can be used as a assault suit, which therefore makes you a assaulter.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 45	Posted - 2013.07.07 11:10:00 - [19] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: other than O'dell, all above me is Assaulters. I assume they all think that AV grenades is balanced as well (would be shocked if they didn't). Peace, Aizen Only half right, the other half Im running logistics dropping links and hives and tailing heavies keeping their health topped off Oh, so I'm not the only other Logi bro left
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 45	Posted - 2013.07.07 11:10:00 - [20] - Quote .... Even Logi Bro left.....

Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 162	Posted - 2013.07.07 11:18:00 - [21] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: I'm a Commando ... I believe that is a "Heavy"... right ? No, it is the deformed offspring of an Medium and Heavy that got all the downsides of both and then some. We got the large hitbox and inability to jump over railing from the Heavy We got the small base eHP of the Medium And on top of that we lost our mod slots and grenade slot as well as increased our shield delay and lowered shield recharge rate.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 172	Posted - 2013.07.07 12:21:00 - [22] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Cosgar wrote: Aizen Intiki wrote: other than O'dell, all above me is Assaulters. I assume they all think that AV grenades is balanced as well (would be shocked if they didn't). Peace, Aizen Those are the same people that think enforcer tanks count as prototypes. A Logi Bro, and a Commando ...what are you talking about ? The AR is my main defense...since i can't use a HMG, and i die like a fly. both can be used as a assault suit, which therefore makes you a assaulter. Is a Commando Heavy suit... so no.. it can't be use as an Assault Suit. I just love how people makes this assumptions, without even trying to use it first.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 172	Posted - 2013.07.07 12:34:00 - [23] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: I'm a Commando ... I believe that is a "Heavy"... right ? No, it is the deformed offspring of an Medium and Heavy that got all the downsides of both and then some. We got the large hitbox and inability to jump over railing from the Heavy We got the small base eHP of the Medium And on top of that we lost our mod slots and grenade slot as well as increased our shield delay and lowered shield recharge rate. Technically it is a Heavy frame, to accommodate the two light weapons ; 2x light weapons = One Heavy weapon. The grenade slot can be replace with a MD or Swarm launcher.. which is more effective than a grenade anyway. Shield Delay is a bit to high, i agree with that, and an extra 50hp shield / 50hp armor will balance the suit a bit more.


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