Who else fights for the Federation? For freedom? For democracy? For our ***hole president who we can't help but admire?

P.S. If any HR people at a Caldari megacorp reads this, please please please keep sending me the gear. It's nothing that I hold against you, it's just... the idea of the State. I hate it. But I'd like to keep a very profitable relationship going.

Well there are going to be dissidents no matter which empire you look at. What does the Federation have that the State doesn't?

Elections. Anyone has the potential to have massive influence over the development of the Gallente Federation. Look no further than our current president. Little more than a rodent!

Elections. Anyone has the potential to have massive influence over the development of the Gallente Federation. Look no further than our current president. Little more than a rodent!

I find it amusing that of the four great empires, the Gallente are always the most common to be found using other race's technology.


The Federation makes it easy to soar to the top and even easier to plummet to the bottom. As you let the wicked gain seats of power, they ensure that the climb to the peak is always a slippery one. Ranks of poor flood the federation steets, constantly getting kicked back every time they step forward. These are the accounts the Federation hides under its guise of freedom.

And also the misguided notion that the Gallenteans are some sort of race of intergalactic heroes..... such ideals are laughable.

The problem with democracies is they are intended to represent all the people. Part of the people are the wicked, and they have just as much say in the matter as the just. Only difference is while the just seek to maintain peace and order, the wicked seek much more drastic change. They are more motivated for they have more to accomplish, and they have no morality issues with doing what must be done to assure that their goals are met.

funny thing is, your empire is dominated by the wicked

funny thing is, your empire is dominated by the wicked

How so our Empress is the purest form of duty to the Faith, she does not sin, and we follow her example. We are not so righteous as her and we do err from the path, but Empress Jamyll is a beacon of light in this universe for all to see.

There is no point discussing such things with you since you have made it abundantly clear you will not address the flaws of the Federation and seek only to sow harm and descent within those outside of the Federation.

That is the task of the weak, and not worthy of the faithful's time.

Considering all the horrors the New Eden cluster has to offer, it's always seemed odd that people get so fixated on the Empire. They're not the only slavers, and they're certainly not the worst. If you think the Amarr are ruled by the wicked, you might want to do some research on the Sani Sabik. They're like the Amarr, only minus the basic belief in a benevolent deity and plus a good dose of power worship. They consider bleeding prisoners to death a sacred act, they're something of a major player in "pirate faction" politics, and they're allied with Sansha's Nation.

It's kind of a problem.

no they are not the worst, but they are the most known by it

Well there are going to be dissidents no matter which empire you look at. What does the Federation have that the State doesn't?

A decent economy?

Fighting for country is a ludicrous thing to do. One being that no profit comes from it. Two all of the States in New Eden are corrupt. If people would open their eyes they could see that no matter what state you come from you have been lied to. You wanna know what i fight for. I fight for profit even if it means going to extreme measures to get it. If you tell me to blow up a solar system i will find away to do so if it means stopping a lying,and corrupt state to fail.

Fighting for country is a ludicrous thing to do. One being that no profit comes from it. Two all of the States in New Eden are corrupt. If people would open their eyes they could see that no matter what state you come from you have been lied to. You wanna know what i fight for. I fight for profit even if it means going to extreme measures to get it. If you tell me to blow up a solar system i will find away to do so if it means stopping a lying,and corrupt state to fail.

I would say despite some instabilities with the recent Caldari economies and our financial agreements with the Amarr Empire ours will grow back to what it once was....the jealousy of every other empire....

I imagine similar things were being said right before Heth held his little revolution, too.

They are not "my race", good sir.

I've never been one to care about politics, only the paycheck.

If they want me to start complimenting their terrible politics, that's extra.

Lack of Loyalty shown here is pitiable.

I imagine similar things were being said right before Heth held his little revolution, too.

Power of the purse my friend. I pledge my loyalty to thee. My intelligence too.

In any case physical wealth is nothing when compared to a cause. There is not power like absolute dedication under the heavens.

Those who fight with that in mind will sweep away any foe that lies before them.

Respectfully, the only person in the Empire who has, as yet, shown the ability to sweep away any foe that lies before her is the Empress. In which case, it appears that absolute dedication under the heavens appears as a mysterious ball of green plasma, or possibly some kind of energy.

I do not mean to mock your faith, sir, but it does not seem ... prudent ... to make statements that are obviously and verifiably untrue, at least in the short term. Perhaps the Amarr will indeed sweep aside their enemies, but the progress of the last hundred years should make it abundantly clear that if your god is granting you such power, he is playing a long game.

In the short run, respectfully, you do bleed like the rest of us.

That said, I have to agree that selling one's loyalty to the highest bidder and claiming this as a particularly moral act is almost as bizarre as siding with Sansha's Nation out of philanthropy.

All I mean to say is that anyone with the will power, and the dedication will undoubtedly triumph over those lacking such qualities, not that the empire is doing such.

We have will, but we fight empires with similarly strong wills. It is a true test of faith.

However when facing men and women with no sense of unity or purpose they shall be utterly defeated, for they have lost all sense of being.

What I said I meant in a more general sense.

... hm.

I apologize, templar. Please forgive my arrogance.

Speaking only for myself, war has been a matter more of awareness and of calculation than of faith: a clear mind and a calm heart. Yet ... maintaining these, being able to think clearly under pressure, being able to shake off shock, and doubt, and calmly step through an uplink knowing that it is going to feel as though your nervous system were being microwaved?

It is true: faith does have something to do with it.

Again I think I am explaining myself poorly. Faith and Determination are two very different things.

I may be faithful but nor determined and in battle I shall fall before my foes.

You ideals are what I would consider determination and will power.

The one communicating poorly is me, templar. I meant faith as you did when you said that this war will be a test of faith-- broadly.

However, it also seems as though the other sort of faith has something to do with those broader qualities. It might be a source of inspiration and guidance, even if the gods do not intercede on our behalf.

you do realize that your empress broke one of the sacred and ancient laws that forbid anyone within the high ranks to become an immortal by using cone technology right?

you do realize that your empress broke one of the sacred and ancient laws that forbid anyone within the high ranks to become an immortal by using cone technology right?

And your Federation entrapped thousands of Caldari on a planet in retaliation for us using our freedom to secede?

Who committed the worse crime?

I generally avoid gallente/caldari drama, but the caldari had no reason to develope weapons in secrecy from the federation.

I generally avoid gallente/caldari drama, but the caldari had no reason to develope weapons in secrecy from the federation.

They were mainly colonies that required weapons systems in order to be safe during the colonisation process. Such was our right, the Federation needed not intercede on developments that were not their business.

So those who develop civilian weapons secretly from a government is wrong?

Any man with some connections can get his civilian weapon to military strength, so just making military grade weapons is illegal?

Interesting legal system my friend...

It wasn't just any government that they were hiding from, but one they chose to be a part of.

That's not the problem, it's that it was done with the intention of the rest of the federation not knowing about it.

Then why was there such a need to hide it from the rest of the federation? What would've changed had the rest of the federation known about those colonies. There was no need to hide the development and stockpiling of those weapons.

Some day the weak Caldari State will crumble beneath the power of the Gallente and our Ishukone allies.

Some day the weak Caldari State will crumble beneath the power of the Gallente and our Ishukone allies.

Like during the Gallente-Caldari war that lasted a hundred years?

And I'm not sure why a Caldari corporation would side with the Gallente, at best they have done some businesses with Intaki colonies, far from an alliance.

I'm minmatar and my corp fights for amarr and caldari, sad part is I really like minmatar and galante. Long live the Stormcloaks long live Ulfric.

You are a good person don't give in to those minnnie and gallenteans contracts.

Would you still say I was a good person if I told you I was a sniper?

Would you still say I was a good person if I told you I was a sniper?

All are the children of God. Snipers included.