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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
544
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Posted - 2013.07.11 04:26:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:True Adamance wrote:All I mean to say is that anyone with the will power, and the dedication will undoubtedly triumph over those lacking such qualities, not that the empire is doing such.
We have will, but we fight empires with similarly strong wills. It is a true test of faith.
However when facing men and women with no sense of unity or purpose they shall be utterly defeated, for they have lost all sense of being.
What I said I meant in a more general sense. ... hm. I apologize, templar. Please forgive my arrogance. Speaking only for myself, war has been a matter more of awareness and of calculation than of faith: a clear mind and a calm heart. Yet ... maintaining these, being able to think clearly under pressure, being able to shake off shock, and doubt, and calmly step through an uplink knowing that it is going to feel as though your nervous system were being microwaved? It is true: faith does have something to do with it. Again I think I am explaining myself poorly. Faith and Determination are two very different things.
I may be faithful but nor determined and in battle I shall fall before my foes.
You ideals are what I would consider determination and will power. |

Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
55
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Posted - 2013.07.11 04:44:00 -
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True Adamance wrote: Again I think I am explaining myself poorly. Faith and Determination are two very different things.
I may be faithful but nor determined and in battle I shall fall before my foes.
You ideals are what I would consider determination and will power.
The one communicating poorly is me, templar. I meant faith as you did when you said that this war will be a test of faith-- broadly.
However, it also seems as though the other sort of faith has something to do with those broader qualities. It might be a source of inspiration and guidance, even if the gods do not intercede on our behalf. |

True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
549
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Posted - 2013.07.11 06:34:00 -
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Yun Hee Ryeon wrote:True Adamance wrote: Again I think I am explaining myself poorly. Faith and Determination are two very different things.
I may be faithful but nor determined and in battle I shall fall before my foes.
You ideals are what I would consider determination and will power. The one communicating poorly is me, templar. I meant faith as you did when you said that this war will be a test of faith-- broadly. However, it also seems as though the other sort of faith has something to do with those broader qualities. It might be a source of inspiration and guidance, even if the gods do not intercede on our behalf. Yes. God teaches me many things, and it is my duty to act on his behalf. |

Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2013.07.12 02:40:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:The problem with democracies is they are intended to represent all the people. Part of the people are the wicked, and they have just as much say in the matter as the just. Only difference is while the just seek to maintain peace and order, the wicked seek much more drastic change. They are more motivated for they have more to accomplish, and they have no morality issues with doing what must be done to assure that their goals are met. funny thing is, your empire is dominated by the wicked How so our Empress is the purest form of duty to the Faith, she does not sin, and we follow her example. We are not so righteous as her and we do err from the path, but Empress Jamyll is a beacon of light in this universe for all to see. There is no point discussing such things with you since you have made it abundantly clear you will not address the flaws of the Federation and seek only to sow harm and descent within those outside of the Federation. That is the task of the weak, and not worthy of the faithful's time. you do realize that your empress broke one of the sacred and ancient laws that forbid anyone within the high ranks to become an immortal by using cone technology right? And your Federation entrapped thousands of Caldari on a planet in retaliation for us using our freedom to secede?
Who committed the worse crime? |

True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
554
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Posted - 2013.07.12 04:03:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:The problem with democracies is they are intended to represent all the people. Part of the people are the wicked, and they have just as much say in the matter as the just. Only difference is while the just seek to maintain peace and order, the wicked seek much more drastic change. They are more motivated for they have more to accomplish, and they have no morality issues with doing what must be done to assure that their goals are met. funny thing is, your empire is dominated by the wicked How so our Empress is the purest form of duty to the Faith, she does not sin, and we follow her example. We are not so righteous as her and we do err from the path, but Empress Jamyll is a beacon of light in this universe for all to see. There is no point discussing such things with you since you have made it abundantly clear you will not address the flaws of the Federation and seek only to sow harm and descent within those outside of the Federation. That is the task of the weak, and not worthy of the faithful's time. you do realize that your empress broke one of the sacred and ancient laws that forbid anyone within the high ranks to become an immortal by using cone technology right? The implants she uses are holy relics passed down through the emperor families, they do not make one immortal, the merely extend the natural life of the one who they are implanted into. |

Cormack's Modified Griefer
Expert Intervention Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2013.07.12 04:33:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Void Echo wrote:True Adamance wrote:Void Echo wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:The problem with democracies is they are intended to represent all the people. Part of the people are the wicked, and they have just as much say in the matter as the just. Only difference is while the just seek to maintain peace and order, the wicked seek much more drastic change. They are more motivated for they have more to accomplish, and they have no morality issues with doing what must be done to assure that their goals are met. funny thing is, your empire is dominated by the wicked How so our Empress is the purest form of duty to the Faith, she does not sin, and we follow her example. We are not so righteous as her and we do err from the path, but Empress Jamyll is a beacon of light in this universe for all to see. There is no point discussing such things with you since you have made it abundantly clear you will not address the flaws of the Federation and seek only to sow harm and descent within those outside of the Federation. That is the task of the weak, and not worthy of the faithful's time. you do realize that your empress broke one of the sacred and ancient laws that forbid anyone within the high ranks to become an immortal by using cone technology right? And your Federation entrapped thousands of Caldari on a planet in retaliation for us using our freedom to secede? Who committed the worse crime?
I generally avoid gallente/caldari drama, but the caldari had no reason to develope weapons in secrecy from the federation. |

Kador Ouryon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
106
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Posted - 2013.07.12 05:02:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:
I generally avoid gallente/caldari drama, but the caldari had no reason to develope weapons in secrecy from the federation.
They were mainly colonies that required weapons systems in order to be safe during the colonisation process. Such was our right, the Federation needed not intercede on developments that were not their business. |

Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
262
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Posted - 2013.07.13 02:31:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:Meeko Fent wrote: And your Federation entrapped thousands of Caldari on a planet in retaliation for us using our freedom to secede?
Who committed the worse crime?
I generally avoid gallente/caldari drama, but the caldari had no reason to develope weapons in secrecy from the federation. So those who develop civilian weapons secretly from a government is wrong?
Any man with some connections can get his civilian weapon to military strength, so just making military grade weapons is illegal?
Interesting legal system my friend... |

Cormack's Modified Griefer
Expert Intervention Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2013.07.13 03:04:00 -
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Kador Ouryon wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:
I generally avoid gallente/caldari drama, but the caldari had no reason to develope weapons in secrecy from the federation.
They were mainly colonies that required weapons systems in order to be safe during the colonisation process. Such was our right, the Federation needed not intercede on developments that were not their business. Then why was there such a need to hide it from the rest of the federation? What would've changed had the rest of the federation known about those colonies. There was no need to hide the development and stockpiling of those weapons. |

Cormack's Modified Griefer
Expert Intervention Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2013.07.13 03:07:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:Meeko Fent wrote: And your Federation entrapped thousands of Caldari on a planet in retaliation for us using our freedom to secede?
Who committed the worse crime?
I generally avoid gallente/caldari drama, but the caldari had no reason to develope weapons in secrecy from the federation. So those who develop civilian weapons secretly from a government is wrong? Any man with some connections can get his civilian weapon to military strength, so just making military grade weapons is illegal? Interesting legal system my friend...
It wasn't just any government that they were hiding from, but one they chose to be a part of.
That's not the problem, it's that it was done with the intention of the rest of the federation not knowing about it. |
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Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
410
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Posted - 2013.07.13 03:24:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:Meeko Fent wrote: And your Federation entrapped thousands of Caldari on a planet in retaliation for us using our freedom to secede?
Who committed the worse crime?
I generally avoid gallente/caldari drama, but the caldari had no reason to develope weapons in secrecy from the federation. So those who develop civilian weapons secretly from a government is wrong? Any man with some connections can get his civilian weapon to military strength, so just making military grade weapons is illegal? Interesting legal system my friend... It wasn't just any government that they were hiding from, but one they chose to be a part of. That's not the problem, it's that it was done with the intention of the rest of the federation not knowing about it. We are an independent people. it was not the federations business to be butting into our affairs. |

Meeko Fent
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
262
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Posted - 2013.07.13 03:26:00 -
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Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:Kador Ouryon wrote:Cormack's Modified Griefer wrote:
I generally avoid gallente/caldari drama, but the caldari had no reason to develope weapons in secrecy from the federation.
They were mainly colonies that required weapons systems in order to be safe during the colonisation process. Such was our right, the Federation needed not intercede on developments that were not their business. Then why was there such a need to hide it from the rest of the federation? What would've changed had the rest of the federation known about those colonies. There was no need to hide the development and stockpiling of those weapons. Then they would confiscate the weapons, as "civilians don't need that kind of firepower" and considering the danger of. The frontier, thn the research stations would be defenseless to roaming pirates and illegal slavers. |

Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
71
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Posted - 2013.07.13 06:09:00 -
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All this talk of the original colonies....
Your ancestors all had their reasons. The war lasted for decades; there was a reason for that.
Historical rights and wrongs aside, it comes to this:
The Caldari believe in defending the rights of the many, and are ruled by the meritorious few. The Gallente believe in defending the rights of the one, and are ruled by the will of the many.
Each path is functional. Each has its faults. People can and do live happily in either society.
Do any of you, on either side, actually doubt your opponents' sincerity?
Demonize one another if you must, but, respectfully to all concerned, it takes the greater courage to look your foe in the eye, and recognize that she is human as you are, and that had you met in another context you might even have been friends ... and then shoot her between the eyes.
There is a war on. We probably will not end it here.
Let's get on with it. |

Michael Arck
sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
300
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Posted - 2013.07.17 04:43:00 -
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Once I had a brother that bled for our beloved state. I mourned his death when he drank the venomous wine of the Gallente. |

CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
82
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Posted - 2013.07.17 20:03:00 -
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I fight for whomever I chose! I am the Commander. |

Arc-08
Horizons' Edge Orion Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.07.18 13:16:00 -
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Some day the weak Caldari State will crumble beneath the power of the Gallente and our Ishukone allies. |

Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
102
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:43:00 -
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Arc-08 wrote:Some day the weak Caldari State will crumble beneath the power of the Gallente and our Ishukone allies.
I suspect that Ishukone would regard this as slander, soldier. |

Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
259
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Posted - 2013.07.18 15:48:00 -
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Arc-08 wrote:Some day the weak Caldari State will crumble beneath the power of the Gallente and our Ishukone allies. Like during the Gallente-Caldari war that lasted a hundred years? |

Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
102
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Posted - 2013.07.18 16:03:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Arc-08 wrote:Some day the weak Caldari State will crumble beneath the power of the Gallente and our Ishukone allies. Like during the Gallente-Caldari war that lasted a hundred years?And I'm not sure why a Caldari corporation would side with the Gallente, at best they have done some businesses with Intaki colonies, far from an alliance.
To be fair to the Federal patriot, Mr. Kalamari, Ishukone was apparently instrumental in establishing the Caldari Prime demilitarized zone. That agreement was apparently reached behind Tibus Heth's back.
Of course, it was far from alone. SuVee also participated extensively, and only Lai Dai and Heth's Kaalakiota refused to sign the agreement. So, perhaps it is not such a rebellion as all that-- rather a bit of shrewd political navigation. |

itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II Top Men.
143
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Posted - 2013.07.23 02:58:00 -
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I'm minmatar and my corp fights for amarr and caldari, sad part is I really like minmatar and galante. Long live the Stormcloaks long live Ulfric. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
786
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Posted - 2013.07.23 03:01:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:I'm minmatar and my corp fights for amarr and caldari, sad part is I really like minmatar and galante. Long live the Stormcloaks long live Ulfric. You are a good person don't give in to those minnnie and gallenteans contracts. |

itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II Top Men.
143
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Posted - 2013.07.23 03:20:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:itsmellslikefish wrote:I'm minmatar and my corp fights for amarr and caldari, sad part is I really like minmatar and galante. Long live the Stormcloaks long live Ulfric. You are a good person don't give in to those minnnie and gallenteans contracts.
Would you still say I was a good person if I told you I was a sniper? |

Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
125
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Posted - 2013.07.23 04:08:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:Would you still say I was a good person if I told you I was a sniper?
That depends, really. Doesn't everything?
If you are the sort of sniper who takes care to cover null cannon control consoles, relay relevant tactical information to teammates, and weaken strong targets so that your squad can dispatch them, all without any special regard to your own kill count, I'd say you are (or at least have the makings of) a good sniper.
If you are the sort who fires randomly at whatever hostiles happen to be in your crosshairs at the moment, relays no data, and ignores the tactical conditions on the field, I would say you are a good person to have fighting on the other side. |

True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
788
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Posted - 2013.07.23 04:55:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:True Adamance wrote:itsmellslikefish wrote:I'm minmatar and my corp fights for amarr and caldari, sad part is I really like minmatar and galante. Long live the Stormcloaks long live Ulfric. You are a good person don't give in to those minnnie and gallenteans contracts. Would you still say I was a good person if I told you I was a sniper? All are the children of God. Snipers included. |

itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II Top Men.
143
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Posted - 2013.07.23 15:18:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:itsmellslikefish wrote:True Adamance wrote:itsmellslikefish wrote:I'm minmatar and my corp fights for amarr and caldari, sad part is I really like minmatar and galante. Long live the Stormcloaks long live Ulfric. You are a good person don't give in to those minnnie and gallenteans contracts. Would you still say I was a good person if I told you I was a sniper? All are the children of God. Snipers included. You sir have restored my faith. |
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