DUST Search - Petition to nerf sorry "balance"

Tharak Meuridiar wrote:

Sounds like OP plays a heavy to me.

MD's are fine. They JUST got a buff of 1 to their blast radius, and before that they were barely used.

I would say flaylocks need a nerf except someone in another thread just suggested they add explosive resistance to heavies which I find to be far preferable. They aren't OP vs medium frames, but I agree, they are REALLY good vs. fat suits. Much better than any sidearm ever should be.

All logis should have their +1 armor repair per second bonus switched to a logistics based bonus. I personally think it should be armor repairers also repair shields for +20% of their repair amount per level. But anything actually focused on their role would be good. It's time logi goes back to people who want to play logistics instead of being used as a beefier assault suit without a sidearm.

Contact grenades should have high damage and a super tight blast radius IMO. So I partially agree with you there.

Hmmmm. I haven't used forge guns in the method described before. I'll have to try it out and see how good it is before I make a comment on it one way or the other.

Shields don't need a nerf. Armor just needs a buff. I personally think they should make armor plates give A LOT more health. But don't upgrade armor repair modules. Indirect buff to logi's intended purpose. Which was indirectly nerfed when it became so easy to regenerate armor.

LAVs can't out-tank tanks. They just move faster so they can escape AV much more easily. Flip it and get it stuck anywhere near an enemy with AV though and it's dead in a few seconds. And going at the speeds LAV's move, it's very easy to do both of those things, especially if you are trying to ram people. LAV's are great on wide open maps and terrible when most the fighting takes place in a structure. Adjust your strategy accordingly and switch from a fat suit to AV or a vehicle in more open maps. In structure based maps just stay out of areas they can easily reach as much as possible, and be alert/in-sprint mode when you do cross those areas.

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danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 93	Posted - 2013.07.06 17:45:00 - [1] - Quote Well this game is starting to get on my nerves a few weapons and dropsuits in which should have been balanced a long time ago, but nope they just leave it as if it were nothing. Flaylocks in general should have their damage slashed in half, splash damage is fine as it is. Mass drivers reduce the blast radius by a 1.2-1.5 between these numbers and you got yourself a balanced weapon, at lv 5 the boundless has 8.4 blast radius ridicules. Caldari logi now this should have been tweaked a long time ago, but nope this is still out their being used as an assaults replace that stupid 5% to shield modules at lv 5 a ADV c logi can out tank any dropsuit literally it should even be able to out tank a heavy. Contact grenades mainly a fused locus grenade have its blast radius slashed in half and its balanced, tired of seeing people throwing two down before even shooting. Grenades mainly the adv and the proto you shouldn't be able to spam these two as it were some skittles falling to the floor reduce the blast radius on these by half or at least make it so that you can resupply these at a slow rate because it always three nades before the shooting comes about. Forge guns shouldn't even be used against infantry it's an AV weapon always see that ****** ass heavy and the ishukone forge gun at the roof camping, picking off people from the hack like seriously it shouldn't even be used like this reduce the blast radius please this is ****. Shields and armor tanking again this topic is always out their why do you guy favor shield over armor is should even be like this, shouldn't shield be a bit more exposed to explosives rather than armor being the weak against explosives.... LLAV now this vehicle needs the nerf hammer really bad, for some strange reason this thing can out tank a tank, reduce the base damage resistance by 20% it shouldn't even be used as a road killing lav wtf it should be more supportive by reping people as intended to also add a supply depot module tired of have the only one supply depot blown bu by randoms. CCP do you even play your own game before you start updating these things should have been fixed a long time ago, but nope gotta get that road-map in check making sure this game gets more op weapons and more ****** ways to die. CCP your losing players for a reason and your player base is really low you better start doing something about these if you want new players to join dust and see how unique this game is, but for now its unique for its high explosive weapons being used.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2544	Posted - 2013.07.06 17:52:00 - [2] - Quote but if these things are balanced, what else is there for people so spam? inB4 - MD users say MD's are fine - Flaylock users say Flaylocks are fine - Nades spammers say nades are fine - LAV drivers say LAV's are fine (biggest lol if i see this) - Caldari logi users say the suit is fine This game is taking less skill to kill by the day. Just spam explosives everywhere and run people over. Why shoot a gun anymore.
Heavenly Daughter SyNergy Gaming EoN. 97	Posted - 2013.07.06 18:24:00 - [3] - Quote While were at this topic, I see countless times LAV's ( L = LIGHT) doing damage to HAV ( H=HEAVY) redress this balance too, the amount of damage they do is disproportionate from vehicle to vehicle given each vehicles mass and what equipment they could potentially carry. I also think it crazy that an LAV can have as much total HP as an attack derpship , I know my CreoDron M does. Hm. H.D
CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 57	Posted - 2013.07.06 18:34:00 - [4] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: but if these things are balanced, what else is there for people so spam? inB4 - MD users say MD's are fine - Flaylock users say Flaylocks are fine - Nades spammers say nades are fine - LAV drivers say LAV's are fine (biggest lol if i see this) - Caldari logi users say the suit is fine This game is taking less skill to kill by the day. Just spam explosives everywhere and run people over. Why shoot a gun anymore. Because of DARRRRRNNNKKKKKKK headshot sounds obviously!
A B Ablabab The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 32	Posted - 2013.07.06 18:34:00 - [5] - Quote When it comes to MDs and Flaylocks, and possibly grenades, I'm not sure they need any more nurfing. Take MDs for example they were nurfed all to hell until 1.2, which helped fix aiming. Now they're back. The reason people are running around like mad with flaylocks and MD is that aiming is still broken, and CCP know it. Players take the path of least resistance, so splash damage weapons are 'in'. When the game core is fixed up, things will work better. Nurfing items now is crazy, they'll just have to be rebalanced again later.
Altina McAlterson Not Guilty EoN. 609	Posted - 2013.07.06 18:46:00 - [6] - Quote danny12343331 wrote: Forge guns shouldn't even be used against infantry it's an AV weapon always see that ****** ass heavy and the ishukone forge gun at the roof camping, picking off people from the hack like seriously it shouldn't even be used like this reduce the blast radius please this is *****. I know I'm biased but the blast radius is only 3m so it's not that* big. Plus if they used a DS why did your team let them up there? If not then sneak up on them yourself or snipe them. Just saying they're not invincible.
danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 97	Posted - 2013.07.06 18:49:00 - [7] - Quote A B Ablabab wrote: When it comes to MDs and Flaylocks, and possibly grenades, I'm not sure they need any more nurfing. Take MDs for example they were nurfed all to hell until 1.2, which helped fix aiming. Now they're back. The reason people are running around like mad with flaylocks and MD is that aiming is still broken, and CCP know it. Players take the path of least resistance, so splash damage weapons are 'in'. When the game core is fixed up, things will work better. Nurfing items now is crazy, they'll just have to be rebalanced again later. Aiming was never a problem it just that people are to stupid and are still stuck with the chromosome build aim, in chromosome you can just hip fire and still hit your target that was chromosome, in uprising they finally fixed it so that you can't do that takes more skill to aim now and also one more thing they finally fixed hit detection with this 1.2 update so yeah learn to aim people.
danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 97	Posted - 2013.07.06 19:12:00 - [8] - Quote bump until a dev replies because this game is dead.
TheGoebel Kite Co. Couriers 26	Posted - 2013.07.06 19:20:00 - [9] - Quote Don't get your hopes to high for a ccp response. We have a 23 page thread in the forum that's very quiet.
danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 97	Posted - 2013.07.06 19:24:00 - [10] - Quote TheGoebel wrote: Don't get your hopes to high for a ccp response. We have a 23 page thread in the forum that's very quiet. Doesn't look like ccp is doing much

xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 458	Posted - 2013.07.06 19:46:00 - [11] - Quote I finally skilled into llavs a few days ago and they are a little ridiculous, they don't seem to take hardly any damage at all, however, there is a glaring problem with these vehicles, now I don't know if this is only happening to me or it's universal.... So yeah I skilled into it and was pretty excited to try it out and try and heal some friendly tanks/do a little murder taxi stuff when bam, I died going full speed because somebody thru an av nade at my vehicle, it didn't do any damage to the vehicle, just killed me driving, they then stole my lav. So I shook it off as a glitch and called In another one, started driving it.. Bam, I get shot by a tank halfway across the battlefield and it kills me driving, and my vehicle is still alive. I've called in 8 LLAVS in the last 2 days and no joke and no exaggeration I was killed all 8 times in the drivers seat while my vehicle stayed alive... And these were not skilled shots, there is a huge glitch while driving these vehicles right now. I'd say they're nerfed, I know I won't be wasting any more money driving one.
Alina Heart DIOS EX. Top Men. 309	Posted - 2013.07.06 20:13:00 - [12] - Quote Already crying for a Mass Driver nerf? The flaylock still kills faster than a proto MD and people are already seriously crying about the MD?
Logi Stician The Vanguardians 5	Posted - 2013.07.06 20:25:00 - [13] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Just spam explosives everywhere and run people over. Why shoot a gun anymore. Dust in a nutshell.
Cosgar ParagonX 2232	Posted - 2013.07.06 20:28:00 - [14] - Quote Alina Heart wrote: Already crying for a Mass Driver nerf? The flaylock still kills faster than a proto MD and people are already seriously crying about the MD? People got used to running around in conga lines and only having to bunny hop to stay alive. Blowing people up has never been easier.
Moochie Cricket SyNergy Gaming EoN. 347	Posted - 2013.07.06 21:22:00 - [15] - Quote The knockback a flaylock does to a dropship is absolutely ridiculous. I dont know if its a glitch or something but they at least double the knockback of any other weapon. And danny you are spot on about everything.
CuuCH Crusher Commando Perkone Caldari State 77	Posted - 2013.07.06 21:38:00 - [16] - Quote Glad I don't see my forge gun on the list.
CuuCH Crusher Commando Perkone Caldari State 77	Posted - 2013.07.06 21:43:00 - [17] - Quote My bad. Just looked again and yup QQ about the FG. Really guys come on. We have to charge that thing for like 3 second and if we miss, we are done for. Why do you cry babies want to nerf every thing?
Cosgar ParagonX 2236	Posted - 2013.07.06 21:46:00 - [18] - Quote CuuCH Crusher wrote: My bad. Just looked again and yup QQ about the FG. Really guys come on. We have to charge that thing for like 3 second and if we miss, we are done for. Why do you cry babies want to nerf every thing? I stopped reading after he brought up the MD. Also, where's the petition? All I see is a tearful rant about dying to things that aren't ARs.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 5659	Posted - 2013.07.06 21:48:00 - [19] - Quote TheGoebel wrote: Don't get your hopes to high for a ccp response. We have a 23 page thread in the forum that's very quiet. Because CCP would rather watch that thread progress without their interference, they're still watching it, and its on the forum weekly report.
CuuCH Crusher Commando Perkone Caldari State 77	Posted - 2013.07.06 21:56:00 - [20] - Quote Cosgar wrote: CuuCH Crusher wrote: My bad. Just looked again and yup QQ about the FG. Really guys come on. We have to charge that thing for like 3 second and if we miss, we are done for. Why do you cry babies want to nerf every thing? I stopped reading after he brought up the MD. Also, where's the petition? All I see is a tearful rant about dying to things that aren't ARs. Maybe it's because I'm a heavy but I don't see a problem with the Mass Driver either. If I die to one, I know it was my fault for letting them get too close and missing all my shots with my FG. Instead of people looking for why a weapon is over powered, they should evaluate what they are doing wrong and take steps to improve their game play.

Skipper Jones ZionTCD 251	Posted - 2013.07.06 22:09:00 - [21] - Quote I disagree with most of these ideas. Get rid of contact grenades in general.
Cosgar ParagonX 2242	Posted - 2013.07.06 22:37:00 - [22] - Quote CuuCH Crusher wrote: Cosgar wrote: CuuCH Crusher wrote: My bad. Just looked again and yup QQ about the FG. Really guys come on. We have to charge that thing for like 3 second and if we miss, we are done for. Why do you cry babies want to nerf every thing? I stopped reading after he brought up the MD. Also, where's the petition? All I see is a tearful rant about dying to things that aren't ARs. Maybe it's because I'm a heavy but I don't see a problem with the Mass Driver either. If I die to one, I know it was my fault for letting them get too close and missing all my shots with my FG. Instead of people looking for why a weapon is over powered, they should evaluate what they are doing wrong and take steps to improve their game play. People are crying about logi suits because everyone is still stuck on buffer tanking. We have a better chance of seeing Dust 514 on PS4 before people care about diversity. It's bad enough we still have a bunch of morons looking for this game to be a F2P CoD. This is why we can't have nice things... that aren't AR assaults.
OZAROW A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 52	Posted - 2013.07.06 23:13:00 - [23] - Quote There was a thread somewhere about the mass drivers blast radius being changed in may an the devs never even announced it because left hand doesn't know what right hands doing. But after this patch the endurance delay or hit detecting annihilated the scout suit all together so since this I speced into faylocks full tilt an noticed others have too, I wouldn't say it as a whole is op but mines pretty damn good but I'm also running proficiency 3 , reload 3, lv 3 ammo capacity an 2 ehanced side arm damage mods, which is no different then someone killing you in two bullets with a cal logi 2 complex dam , proficiency 5 an a tac. So before people scream NERF think about the fit. Caldari assault Complex side an light dam mod Mass driver and faylOck proficiency five Armor an CPU chip on the lows Can't say that's op that's just a smart MF!
TEBOW BAGGINS Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 653	Posted - 2013.07.06 23:22:00 - [24] - Quote CuuCH Crusher wrote: Cosgar wrote: CuuCH Crusher wrote: My bad. Just looked again and yup QQ about the FG. Really guys come on. We have to charge that thing for like 3 second and if we miss, we are done for. Why do you cry babies want to nerf every thing? I stopped reading after he brought up the MD. Also, where's the petition? All I see is a tearful rant about dying to things that aren't ARs. Maybe it's because I'm a heavy but I don't see a problem with the Mass Driver either. If I die to one, I know it was my fault for letting them get too close and missing all my shots with my FG. Instead of people looking for why a weapon is over powered, they should evaluate what they are doing wrong and take steps to improve their game play. they want MDs renerfed because they're crutch seeking noobs who can't shoot their ARs at some MD guy's face..
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 2143	Posted - 2013.07.06 23:24:00 - [25] - Quote This thread, it's funny.
danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 101	Posted - 2013.07.06 23:28:00 - [26] - Quote Sloth9230 wrote: This thread, it's funny. ikr?
danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 104	Posted - 2013.07.07 03:27:00 - [27] - Quote danny12343331 wrote: bump until a dev replies because this game is dead.
danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 105	Posted - 2013.07.07 05:53:00 - [28] - Quote danny12343331 wrote: danny12343331 wrote: bump until a dev replies because this game is dead.
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3691	Posted - 2013.07.07 06:19:00 - [29] - Quote lol thats all the response this game needs atm game went from being somewhat skill based to now straight garbage with so much noob ****
Cosgar ParagonX 2249	Posted - 2013.07.07 07:10:00 - [30] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: CuuCH Crusher wrote: Cosgar wrote: CuuCH Crusher wrote: My bad. Just looked again and yup QQ about the FG. Really guys come on. We have to charge that thing for like 3 second and if we miss, we are done for. Why do you cry babies want to nerf every thing? I stopped reading after he brought up the MD. Also, where's the petition? All I see is a tearful rant about dying to things that aren't ARs. Maybe it's because I'm a heavy but I don't see a problem with the Mass Driver either. If I die to one, I know it was my fault for letting them get too close and missing all my shots with my FG. Instead of people looking for why a weapon is over powered, they should evaluate what they are doing wrong and take steps to improve their game play. they want MDs renerfed because they're crutch seeking noobs who can't shoot their ARs at some MD guy's face.. Pretty much. If you can't bum rush a guy lobbing slow moving grenades at you, something's wrong. AR > MD in a 1v 1 encounter.

Heavenly Daughter SyNergy Gaming EoN. 98	Posted - 2013.07.07 08:17:00 - [31] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: TheGoebel wrote: Don't get your hopes to high for a ccp response. We have a 23 page thread in the forum that's very quiet. Because CCP would rather watch that thread progress without their interference, they're still watching it, and its on the forum weekly report. as for the Mass Driver I can see why people complained before but these days time to kill is nearly as fast as various other weapons with it over long range As for the CPM - ELECTION should be in place....
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 257	Posted - 2013.07.07 09:50:00 - [32] - Quote I disagree, completely. Basically, your idea of OP is: 1) Something that isn't an AR 2) Something that gets kills 3) Something I do not use Is that about right?
Tharak Meuridiar The Empyrean Agency 124	Posted - 2013.07.07 10:12:00 - [33] - Quote Sounds like OP plays a heavy to me. MD's are fine. They JUST got a buff of 1 to their blast radius, and before that they were barely used. I would say flaylocks need a nerf except someone in another thread just suggested they add explosive resistance to heavies which I find to be far preferable. They aren't OP vs medium frames, but I agree, they are REALLY good vs. fat suits. Much better than any sidearm ever should be. All logis should have their +1 armor repair per second bonus switched to a logistics based bonus. I personally think it should be armor repairers also repair shields for +20% of their repair amount per level. But anything actually focused on their role would be good. It's time logi goes back to people who want to play logistics instead of being used as a beefier assault suit without a sidearm. Contact grenades should have high damage and a super tight blast radius IMO. So I partially agree with you there. Hmmmm. I haven't used forge guns in the method described before. I'll have to try it out and see how good it is before I make a comment on it one way or the other. Shields don't need a nerf. Armor just needs a buff. I personally think they should make armor plates give A LOT more health. But don't upgrade armor repair modules. Indirect buff to logi's intended purpose. Which was indirectly nerfed when it became so easy to regenerate armor. LAVs can't out-tank tanks. They just move faster so they can escape AV much more easily. Flip it and get it stuck anywhere near an enemy with AV though and it's dead in a few seconds. And going at the speeds LAV's move, it's very easy to do both of those things, especially if you are trying to ram people. LAV's are great on wide open maps and terrible when most the fighting takes place in a structure. Adjust your strategy accordingly and switch from a fat suit to AV or a vehicle in more open maps. In structure based maps just stay out of areas they can easily reach as much as possible, and be alert/in-sprint mode when you do cross those areas.
R'adeh Hunt The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 137	Posted - 2013.07.07 11:05:00 - [34] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: I disagree, completely. Basically, your idea of OP is: 1) Something that isn't an AR 2) Something that gets kills 3) Something I do not use Is that about right? That pretty much sums up the entire thread
Mavado V Noriega SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3692	Posted - 2013.07.07 16:19:00 - [35] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: I disagree, completely. Basically, your idea of OP is: 1) Something that isn't an AR 2) Something that gets kills 3) Something I do not use Is that about right? not sure if srs...............
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2213	Posted - 2013.07.07 16:35:00 - [36] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: TheGoebel wrote: Don't get your hopes to high for a ccp response. We have a 23 page thread in the forum that's very quiet. Because CCP would rather watch that thread progress without their interference, they're still watching it, and its on the forum weekly report. as for the Mass Driver I can see why people complained before but these days time to kill is nearly as fast as various other weapons with it over long range As for the CPM - ELECTION should be in place.... The funny thing is that the rabidly hostile nature of many of our community has led to the current CPM being on the fence about whether or not democratic elections are the right idea.
danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 106	Posted - 2013.07.07 16:56:00 - [37] - Quote Tharak Meuridiar wrote: Sounds like OP plays a heavy to me. MD's are fine. They JUST got a buff of 1 to their blast radius, and before that they were barely used. I would say flaylocks need a nerf except someone in another thread just suggested they add explosive resistance to heavies which I find to be far preferable. They aren't OP vs medium frames, but I agree, they are REALLY good vs. fat suits. Much better than any sidearm ever should be. All logis should have their +1 armor repair per second bonus switched to a logistics based bonus. I personally think it should be armor repairers also repair shields for +20% of their repair amount per level. But anything actually focused on their role would be good. It's time logi goes back to people who want to play logistics instead of being used as a beefier assault suit without a sidearm. Contact grenades should have high damage and a super tight blast radius IMO. So I partially agree with you there. Hmmmm. I haven't used forge guns in the method described before. I'll have to try it out and see how good it is before I make a comment on it one way or the other. Shields don't need a nerf. Armor just needs a buff. I personally think they should make armor plates give A LOT more health. But don't upgrade armor repair modules. Indirect buff to logi's intended purpose. Which was indirectly nerfed when it became so easy to regenerate armor. LAVs can't out-tank tanks. They just move faster so they can escape AV much more easily. Flip it and get it stuck anywhere near an enemy with AV though and it's dead in a few seconds. And going at the speeds LAV's move, it's very easy to do both of those things, especially if you are trying to ram people. LAV's are great on wide open maps and terrible when most the fighting takes place in a structure. Adjust your strategy accordingly and switch from a fat suit to AV or a vehicle in more open maps. In structure based maps just stay out of areas they can easily reach as much as possible, and be alert/in-sprint mode when you do cross those areas. Agree witht he MD it was hardly ever used in the uprising 1.0-1.1 update at least not until 1.2. Now the caldari logi can be used as an assaults which shouldn't be happening at all, tired of going 1v1's with these logis that play assault because of the bonus they get which should have been replaced a long time ago. Contact grenades i think everyone is right about them having a tight blast radius because lobbing down two before even shooting is ridiculous Flaylocks should get their splashed damage halved. Ever since FG got that deviation taken out people in PC matches began to use this as an opportunity to get in a high place a snipe their own point in a place where we can't reach them. LLAVs can out take a tank can't believe i'm still saying this, you've got an llav running murder taxi all over the map which shouldn't even be used like this have you see the saga 2 yet? That thing has a module that lets it have a damage resistance at 80%
danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 106	Posted - 2013.07.07 18:14:00 - [38] - Quote bump
danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 107	Posted - 2013.07.07 22:49:00 - [39] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: but if these things are balanced, what else is there for people to spam? inB4 - MD users say MD's are fine - Flaylock users say Flaylocks are fine - Nades spammers say nades are fine - LAV drivers say LAV's are fine (biggest lol if i see this) - Caldari logi users say the suit is fine This game is taking less skill to kill by the day. Just spam explosives everywhere and run people over. Why shoot a gun anymore. PC matches are just explosions use the op weapons as for public matches its starting to come to who ever has the md,flaylock, and contact nade oh and can't for get the c logi.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 913	Posted - 2013.07.07 22:52:00 - [40] - Quote Some actual data for you: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=92678&find=unread

danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 109	Posted - 2013.07.08 06:02:00 - [41] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Some actual data for you: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=92678&find=unread lol get data on pc matches rather than public matches you'll see the difference if anyone likes your data its just plain wrong.
danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 109	Posted - 2013.07.08 16:18:00 - [42] - Quote bump
danny12343331 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 109	Posted - 2013.07.09 04:35:00 - [43] - Quote bump
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC 156	Posted - 2013.07.09 05:13:00 - [44] - Quote My LLAV can take three av nades or two swarms. This is not op. And considering swarms go through hills and building/object corners and they turn on a dime I consider myself at a disadvantage


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