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Croned
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Posted - 2013.07.07 15:58:00 -
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RKKR wrote:Please stop trying to speak for me, I can do that too: You're probably an AFKer yourself and butthurt with these threads, seems to me like making the same progression is a good thing so you don't ruin other peoples game experience. Anyway feel free to add something so you can favour your standpoint and don't forgot to divide it by 3.
but to answer your post Yes I'm worked up but not about the SP-issue, more worked up about you because you think people make useless threads and calling them out about it and being useless yourself. I haven't been on Dust since the update (I'm on vacation) and during this time I actually learned what AFKing is. Progressing at the same rate is terrible because there is no incentive to play. You'll make the same SP as someone who plays 12 hours straight, regardless of if you play or not. You know what this sounds similar to ? AFKing, only with your PS3 off!
You're mad because I point out useless and redundant threads which you think aren't so useless? You seemed to drop the innocent "we didn't know there were other threads and we're too lazy to check" act after I pointed out there was at least one other AFKing thread on the first page at the time of this posting. And I suggest you stop speaking for the author of this thread, as you obviously aren't taking into account the title of this thread. "I'm done complaining" obviously indicates that he has posted in other AFK threads or even created other AFK threads! |
RKKR
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.07 17:04:00 -
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There is no incentive to play either if you can make more SP by afking than actually playing. It's apparently so hard to take an idea an build further on it for you so what if I changed it to all-passive SP + SP from WP or something like that?
I never said this was or was not a useless thread, if you think it's useless then I don't really know why you are spending your time to make a post in it. I didn't played the innocent-card I was suggesting you should have linked to the other thread instead of calling people out. You're the one that thinks people should provide something productive while you are not being productive yourself.
"Divide those amounts by three. Maybe the reason you got so much is because we're getting 3x the SP." indicates that you misread the OP and you are butthurt that someone pointed it out.
I would be glad if you could point out the post where I spoke for the OP, thank you. |
Croned
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Posted - 2013.07.07 17:34:00 -
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RKKR wrote:I don't have 24/7 to read all forum-posts to check what's duplicate or not but obvliously you do but didn't care to be productive and point us to a decent thread but instead decided to stack QQ on QQ. That's speaking for him.
You seem pretty motivated to get me to say how I'm being productive. And since you haven't figured it out yet, I'll spell it out for you. First of all, your original comment about making SP an all-passive gain was condescending and meant to ridicule CCP by showing how stupid what they were doing was by comparing it to something that was just as bad. Thanks to me, you changed it into a more productive comment by adding that part about relating active SP gain to WP. Second of all, I'm helping to inforce #16 of the forum rules to keep the forums from getting clustered. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
570
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Posted - 2013.07.07 17:51:00 -
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Be grateful they ONLY afk...
My version of AFKing is grabbing my Logi LAV, since it requires no thinking on my part and is hilarious and stress/risk-free... And you all know what I do with it.
*shrugs* |
Kiro Justice
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
250
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Posted - 2013.07.07 17:54:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Croned wrote:Go count all of the other AFK complaint threads and you'll see why it gets annoying. You're right, it IS annoying that CCP prefers people not to play their game, so much so that they go out of their way to reward them for it. It's almost as if people don't want this in the game, but clearly that must be wrong. CCP keeps things like this in the game because there's no other draw besides SP. SP is what makes them money, it's what keeps people playing through bugs, it's what keeps people holding onto hope. Basically, it's SP 514.
Why are you here? You complain about everything, no joke.
"SP 514" "Mario Kart 514" "I-have-to-have-gun-game 514"
Really, just because you're REALLY bad doesn't mean the game is bad. Quit bitching and go away. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.07 18:57:00 -
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Croned wrote:RKKR wrote:I don't have 24/7 to read all forum-posts to check what's duplicate or not but obvliously you do but didn't care to be productive and point us to a decent thread but instead decided to stack QQ on QQ. That's speaking for him. You seem pretty motivated to get me to say how I'm being productive. And since you haven't figured it out yet, I'll spell it out for you. First of all, your original comment about making SP an all-passive gain was condescending and meant to ridicule CCP by showing how stupid what they were doing was by comparing it to something that was just as bad. Thanks to me, you changed it into a more productive comment by adding that part about relating active SP gain to WP. Second of all, I'm helping to inforce #16 of the forum rules to keep the forums from getting clustered.
Congratulations on bolding the word us, sadly it doesn't mean that I'm talking for the OP.
It is ridiculing CCP in your eyes, not mine. It's like you assume I'm a 24/7-troll while you're the one spending all your vacation-time on here (you should stop doing that too). Thanks to you? how many post did it take to finally make you say that you think it is as bad as the current system and to point out that my phrase was to condense (we're not all that smart like you)?
How are you inforcing forum-rule #16? You can't lock topics so the best thing you could do was to flag the topic and stay away from it so the GMs didn't have to read all this crap. The second best thing you could do was to link to the other thread so we all could post over there (funny how people start to post in here now ). The worst thing you could do was to point out that we have a 3x-SP week this week.
Anyway thanks for trying to help and here is your chance to post a link to the other thread so I can stop replying to you.
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Croned
C0NTRA UNIT
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Posted - 2013.07.07 20:10:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=AFK Bam, all 57 pages.
I don't think you're a troll. I just think you're part of that section of the community who is too immature and incompetent to assist the developers of a game they continue to play despite bugs and inconveniences.
All of my vacation time? Barely even a small portion.
I never said anything about what I think regarding your idea compared to the current issue. I was simply stating what your post indicated. If that's not what you meant, then I suggest clarifying that much earlier next time to avoid arguments or seemingly insulting CCP. In regards to my opinion to AFKing, I also hate seeing it happen. However, I also dislike seeing so many people feeling like the forums are a place to rage and spam with complaints.
I didn't say anything about condensing, I said condescend.
In terms of my original post, my point was that if you divide those large values of SP by 3, you're left with values that are no different from the other AFK complaints. And if the OP knew how SP worked, he would have realized how it wasn't anything unexpected (but still not good) that the AFKing scenario could earn more SP than the sniping scenario. Bad explaining on my part. |
Meldreth Thornbrew
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.07 20:33:00 -
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Prevent afk by auto kicking people in redline after 5 mins. They wont get sp or isk. |
Raist Soulforge
the troll hord
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Posted - 2013.07.07 20:53:00 -
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Jade Dragonis wrote:Its simple to end afk from clones. Turn on friendly fire.
give us all some sort of a reporting function that challenges their inactive state. If they don't respond fast enough, they get booted from the mission. If that's too aggressive, make it remove FF and flag them on the map as a different color so everyone can just lay into them real quick to make them go back to the deployment map. Another option...let us actually push them out of the ship, perhaps by beating on them? This could work on the ground too I guess. Push them out into the open with either melee or a vehicle so the other team can snipe them for us.
Something seriously needs to be done though. Loosing matches left and right. Seen up to 6 people AFK in the MCC at times, often it's 3 or 4. |
Rupture Reaperson
Kinsho Swords Caldari State
208
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Posted - 2013.07.07 21:09:00 -
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Jade Dragonis wrote:Its simple to end afk from clones. Turn on friendly fire. I think it would be FAR way more fun to TK that to AFK, pick your poison with care. |
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RKKR
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.07 21:20:00 -
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Ok I lied, I'm still going to reply.
It's not my fault that you assumed I was insulting CCP, it's also a classy move to say that in the same post where you call me out as too immature and incompetent.
I think this all went wrong on the moment I made you realize that you misunderstood the OP (which you only defend in post #37). Then you start focusing on my last sentence in my first post to protect your little ego by claiming I'm a whiner/QQer/CCP-ridiculer. You still seem to believe this even when I state I'm not and tell you the real problem is your idiocy. Somehow I was stupid enough to take your red-herring and keep talking about CCP and SP even though I was not (well played!).
I got invested in this nerd-war so I pointed out how you didn't make sense with some statements while you where ignoring some statements I was making while mocking you. I believe this is because you are in fact a die-hard AFKer and thus have good reasons to troll threads about AFK-ers. I came to this conclusion because you taught me to deduct things from the posts you make, like your posts in this thread.
As a last attempt you try to save face by referring to a forum rule like you are some holy hero that does everything good for the game which fits with your attempt to portray me as some super-evil villain of CCP. (Which you did again in your previous post, without some proof ). Too bad that our good Samaritan didn't follow his own philosphy in a duplicate thread like this for example. Isn't also prohibited to give away information on how to replicate a glitch/bug? Shame on you for not pointing that out.
You failed badly on your forum-rule #16 move and you failed again by giving a link to ALL the AFK-threads. We still don't know which is the AFK-thread to respond to, great way to keep the forum from getting cluttered .
I could go on for this like forever, but maybe you should take your own advice and take a brake from the game/forums especially if you are on vacation. |
The Cobra Commander
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.07.07 21:28:00 -
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Raist Soulforge wrote:Jade Dragonis wrote:Its simple to end afk from clones. Turn on friendly fire. give us all some sort of a reporting function that challenges their inactive state. If they don't respond fast enough, they get booted from the mission. If that's too aggressive, make it remove FF and flag them on the map as a different color so everyone can just lay into them real quick to make them go back to the deployment map. Another option...let us actually push them out of the ship, perhaps by beating on them? This could work on the ground too I guess. Push them out into the open with either melee or a vehicle so the other team can snipe them for us. Something seriously needs to be done though. Loosing matches left and right. Seen up to 6 people AFK in the MCC at times, often it's 3 or 4.
It's getting worse too. I played 4 games this morning and in 3 of them at least 4 guys were sitting in the MCC. We lost all 3 of those games. This is not to mention the rampant AFK going on all weekend (one game I joined there were 7 of them sitting in the MCC). I have just decided to play Dust less and less now. But it won't even matter in a few months for me because the PS4 will be out and there is no way I'm sticking around to put up with this crap. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
567
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Posted - 2013.07.07 21:43:00 -
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The Cobra Commander wrote:Raist Soulforge wrote:Jade Dragonis wrote:Its simple to end afk from clones. Turn on friendly fire. give us all some sort of a reporting function that challenges their inactive state. If they don't respond fast enough, they get booted from the mission. If that's too aggressive, make it remove FF and flag them on the map as a different color so everyone can just lay into them real quick to make them go back to the deployment map. Another option...let us actually push them out of the ship, perhaps by beating on them? This could work on the ground too I guess. Push them out into the open with either melee or a vehicle so the other team can snipe them for us. Something seriously needs to be done though. Loosing matches left and right. Seen up to 6 people AFK in the MCC at times, often it's 3 or 4. It's getting worse too. I played 4 games this morning and in 3 of them at least 4 guys were sitting in the MCC. We lost all 3 of those games. This is not to mention the rampant AFK going on all weekend (one game I joined there were 7 of them sitting in the MCC). I have just decided to play Dust less and less now. But it won't even matter in a few months for me because the PS4 will be out and there is no way I'm sticking around to put up with this crap.
Preach brother!! The Division, New Uncharted, New Killzone, New Battlefield, |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II
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Posted - 2013.07.07 21:46:00 -
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ladwar wrote:RKKR wrote:Croned wrote:Don't complain about something you know nothing about. Divide those amounts by three. Maybe the reason you got so much is because we're getting 3x the SP. Hey mr. Obvious I think he was just pointing out that you get more SP for not being usefull in a game... sp earn is as this:(pre cap) 5SP per second spawned into match (IE not in the overhead view before match because that doesn't count and the time to spawn in after a death is lost SP here, so a 10 second spawn takes away 50SP from you and 75w/ booster) 1SP per WP so in your normal ambush you need to score 1500-2000 WP to beat the amount of SP(from WP) that an AFK would for that same match for just spawning in and you would need to score 4000-5000WP in a skirmish match. post cap is 1SP per WP up to 1000 and that is it. all of this is without boosters but the gains at the end would be greater(per match) and the WP needed would be the same to beat the passive spawned in SP earned and by beat i mean equal to or greater.
Thank you. |
Croned
C0NTRA UNIT
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Posted - 2013.07.07 21:56:00 -
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I won't write an essay, so I'll just refer you to the last paragraph of my last post as a counter for your 3rd paragraph.
I particularly find your deduction skills something to laugh at. I ignored your attempts to mock me regarding productivity and dividing by 3, because it really didn't seem productive to reply (oh boy, just stole your mock tactic. Kind of ineffective, huh?). In terms of calling me an AFKer, I can assure you are dead wrong. I have never idled in the MCC before, except for one time while I called in an orbital, if that counts. Other than the thread you linked and one other one, this is the only AFK thead I have posted in. In terms of the thread you linked, I find it quite funny that you're using a thread aimed to insult AFKers against me.
I laughed even more when you linked the thread about the invisibility glitch. If only he had actually told how to replicate the glitch, maybe your point in linking that would be valid. Regarding that thread being a duplicate, I wouldn't want to get in another argument like this, now would I? Especially while I'm still dealing with this one.
Btw, is anyone keeping track of the length of this debate? I think we're headed for a record. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.08 07:36:00 -
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You're the one that says he wants to see productive things in a post, not me, nice attempt to mock though.
I'm glad you ignore me while I'm mocking you, that's probably why you always have to try and say something negative about me. Since your deductive skills are that good I will hope you realise that you can stop giving serious answers to my statements....like me saying you're an AFKer.
You blamed me for sounding like I ridicule CCP for no reason any yet I have to understand that you tried to help explain something to the OP with your bad wording. "I suggest clarifying that much earlier next time to avoid arguments or seemingly insulting the OP."
I'll just put this up here "I had I black screened, but instead of quitting I pressed start, then backed out. I was then invisible".. I understand that you don't want to get in a argument like this because it makes your attempt to save face fail...you know that you claimed to enforce forum rule #16 but never told us (oh no I'm speaking for everyone again) how you are actually doing it.
I laughed even more than you when you talked about rule #16 and in your next post you were defending your first post by saying you were helping out but did it in bad wording. Which option are you going to choose?
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Nykus Girtautas
Final Fortress Happy Tree Fiends
0
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Posted - 2013.07.14 09:01:00 -
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Hi. I just wanted to add to this topic: Active SP forces some players to sit in MCC and collect SP while doing something. Actualy, I am sitting in MCC right now, while typing this message. The only way to remove those AFK'ers - remove active SP from game. CPP could leave 1WP = 1SP (some bonus for playing this game and being helpful for team). Add those 190k active SP to passive SP gain. So in a week everyone could get 24 * 7 + 190 = 358k SP. After that - there will be no point in sitting in MCC. ISK is not worth so much. Otherwise - expect more and more AFK'er in a feature. From money side - CPP could double price for Passive booster. And reduce active booster price significaly.
I understand, that without bonuses for playing it could be hard to attract active players to game. But active SP ruining this game. And I don't see, how attraction of AFK'er help this game.
I played EVE for some time. It has no any active SP. And it is best MMO ever. So if EVE could become best MMO without active SP - DUST can do this too. |
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