We have known that CCP likes the ARs for a long time, it has all the skills and variants it wants.

The AR needs to have 1 fourth the range once the new racials come in.

Then the ARs will have a downside, and the other guns have a hope in hell of not being a novelty like ScR is right now.

I think the standard AR needs an increase to dispersion rate.

You really shouldn't be able to empty most of the magazine before your aim is affected.

They have already addressed this. They intend to give each weapon other specialization skills but ran out of time. That's why you see some skills (Fitting Optimization - 6x) which do useless things like reduce PG on a weapon that doesn't use PG (Flaylock, for example).

They claim they are going to do another parse of the weapon skills and give each one a bonus skill similar to the AR.

Note: The SMG also has the Sharpshooter skill.

The problem ain't the skills.

It's the damn weapon.

I'm a full blooded Calamari, so I shield tank.

The ScR, the anti shield weapon, has killed me only once.

You know the weapon that killed me the most, in fact basically EVERY time?

The AR. The wildly damaging, laser precise, long range butcher.

Every other gun besides AV or the MD is a novelty in the face of an AR.

Do you know why?

For everyone one ScR user, there's 9 AR users. It's not necessarily the fact that they're OP but because most people tend to veer towards what they're familiar with. I know I do, it's the same reason I always order a double meat barbacoa burrito with everything but guacamole from Chipotle.

ARs are great where they are. The last thing this game needs is more nerfs. Other weapons should be brought in line with the AR instead. Once you get to the Proto level and start fighting all Proto teams in PC, you'll realize ARs aren't really kings. Grenades, flaylocks, and other AoE-based weapons are best because hit-detection and huge HP pools make it hard to kill people with just bullets so people resort to spamming nades at each other since it's really the only way to do enough damage to someone to kill them.

Do you know why?

For everyone one ScR user, there's 9 AR users. It's not necessarily the fact that they're OP but because most people tend to veer towards what they're familiar with. I know I do, it's the same reason I always order a double meat barbacoa burrito with everything but guacamole from Chipotle.

ARs are great where they are. The last thing this game needs is more nerfs. Other weapons should be brought in line with the AR instead. Once you get to the Proto level and start fighting all Proto teams in PC, you'll realize ARs aren't really kings. Grenades, flaylocks, and other AoE-based weapons are best because hit-detection and huge HP pools make it hard to kill people with just bullets so people resort to spamming nades at each other since it's really the only way to do enough damage to someone to kill them.

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reason i stopped saying **** about the AR

The problem ain't the skills.

It's the damn weapon.

I'm a full blooded Calamari, so I shield tank.

The ScR, the anti shield weapon, has killed me only once.

You know the weapon that killed me the most, in fact basically EVERY time?

The AR. The wildly damaging, laser precise, long range butcher.

Every other gun besides AV or the MD is a novelty in the face of an AR.

CCP love AR thats why there OP

AR is not OP, it is strong compared to other rifles like the laser rifle. If more people used the AsCR then people would start calling that one OP, the AsCR is a really good AR.

What really is OP are flaylocks.

To keep the cookie cutter shooter boys occupied?

You're all missing a HUGE part of the basic Assault Rifle role.


The AR is MEANT to be used by a lot of people. Its the workhorse of ANY military organization. There's a reason you don't see every military in the world issuing LMG's and sniper rifles instead of AR's. Just because a weapon is widely used doesn't necessarily mean its OP, just like a weapon not being widely used doesn't mean its balanced.

I agree AR's need a tweak, but not a nerf. I intend to make a thread about this because its not just AR's that need this kind of attention, however:

1. All projectile weapons (AR's, SMG's, snipers, etc) should be using actual projectiles with bullet drop over ranges (where applicable of course). It doesn't have to be anything crazy, but putting in bullet drop on them as well as actual projectiles with velocity creates a better curve of skills for players to require before becoming proficient with a "standard" projectile weapon such as an AR or sniper rifle, both of which appear to be based more on hit-scan systems than actual projectiles.

2. Recoil patterns. I use a KB/M setup so I wont pretend to know what its like to control recoil patterns with a controller, but the players I have spoken with about it claim that its just as much a matter of skill as it is with a KB/M. Automatic weapons should also have recoil patterns to go with them that have to be compensated for as a player continues rapid fire with them.

3. AR's between the individual variants (default, burst, breach, etc) need to be properly balanced BETWEEN THEMSELVES. As it currently stands Breach AR is a joke and does FAR less damage overall than the standard AR.

There's a lot more to this and i'll be making a seperate thread with some actual numbers on the subject, but in relation to the topic of discussion: AR's are not OP, they need tweaks to bring them all in line with each other, that's all. AR's are meant to be the work horse of a military force, other weapons are used on a case-sensitive basis.

ars might be one of the weakest weapons in the game...

u get slaughtered by them all the time because of all the nerfs..

and the fact that they r the most use weapons but looking at them now..


and comparingthem to everything else.


there about on the same killing level of every other gun out there... u just need skills for the other guns as they might be better any ways...

well laser is a pojntless gun now it needs a buff it can kill shield about as fast as it killied a player before uprising the other prob with it is its sights.

i kinda forgot about the laser since its useless now.


not really a gun any more..

more of an annoyance gun really..