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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.07.06 20:23:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:replace the light weapon for 1 sidearm only.
now you can fit uber tank but cant be uber dps unless at close range. suit is now not an assault suit as you cant fit assault weapons. proper logistics players would then still be able to full tank and fit all the equipment they need while still being able to do some damage. /facepalm |
Eno Raef
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:18:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:replace the light weapon for 1 sidearm only.
now you can fit uber tank but cant be uber dps unless at close range. suit is now not an assault suit as you cant fit assault weapons. proper logistics players would then still be able to full tank and fit all the equipment they need while still being able to do some damage. /facepalm
Adam and Eve has a point. Logistic suit wearers want to be able to tank and by removing the light weapon slot, they can still tank but lack the range of an assault suit.
It's not the first time this idea has been offered and still it's not a bad idea. |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:20:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:replace the light weapon for 1 sidearm only.
now you can fit uber tank but cant be uber dps unless at close range. suit is now not an assault suit as you cant fit assault weapons. proper logistics players would then still be able to full tank and fit all the equipment they need while still being able to do some damage.
Let's make it clear and simple
if a LOGI kill you right now is not the suit the main problem (outside callogi, we all think that need to be reworked) simply because that player will still kill you with any other suit. Amarr A S S have more PG than my AMARR logi with less equip slot and more high base stat, you know what that means? ALL proto module and ALL proto weap with more HP and more speed. So, if a LOGI kill you, you REALLY want THAT player to have more speed, more healt and a sidearm?
I dont have Cosgar patience, to write every day the same f u c k i n g answer to every reply, read the last 3 thread please, and you will find why your idea is not viable in this game.
You know whats sad? I'm starting and ALT because i know that someday CCP will listen all those tears and nerf the hell out of LOGI CLASS |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:26:00 -
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Eno Raef wrote:Cosgar wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:replace the light weapon for 1 sidearm only.
now you can fit uber tank but cant be uber dps unless at close range. suit is now not an assault suit as you cant fit assault weapons. proper logistics players would then still be able to full tank and fit all the equipment they need while still being able to do some damage. /facepalm Adam and Eve has a point. Logistic suit wearers want to be able to tank and by removing the light weapon slot, they can still tank but lack the range of an assault suit. It's not the first time this idea has been offered and still it's not a bad idea.
Ok Let's play your game....
How can i support the team if ALL player outrange me ( SUPRISE, NO MORE HARD CAP!!!! ) with base slow speed, lesser health?
You know whatlogi do and WHERE real logi play or you're another ALLtalkNOproof Guy?
Again, Logi play in the same field that A.S.S. play and eat the same ****. With the lack of DPS done to the enemy, how can we be usefull when the useful weap OUTCLASS the most powerfull rep per?
You want me have a Sidearm? FIne I want only logi have equip slot, because you cant supply yourself, you're an assault i will have fun watching you play STONEAGE 514
You know that in this game, those mechanics arent viable? |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:35:00 -
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Eno Raef wrote:Cosgar wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:replace the light weapon for 1 sidearm only.
now you can fit uber tank but cant be uber dps unless at close range. suit is now not an assault suit as you cant fit assault weapons. proper logistics players would then still be able to full tank and fit all the equipment they need while still being able to do some damage. /facepalm Adam and Eve has a point. Logistic suit wearers want to be able to tank and by removing the light weapon slot, they can still tank but lack the range of an assault suit. It's not the first time this idea has been offered and still it's not a bad idea. I'm not even going to waste time explaining... again why this will never happen, because it'll never happen. But if by some chance Remnant sees half the office using logis and decides to nerf htem, I better damn sight not see anyone QQing about the rise in Ishukone SMGs.
But, for the ~100,000,000 time, explain how all logis are OP? All I see are 2 pages, talking about trees, flowers and feelings. Start with the Amarr and work your way up to the Caldari. And since I'm in a somewhat decent mood, here's the numbers for the logis, and assaults so you can compare. |
Eno Raef
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.06 21:53:00 -
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Jastad wrote:Eno Raef wrote:Cosgar wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:replace the light weapon for 1 sidearm only.
now you can fit uber tank but cant be uber dps unless at close range. suit is now not an assault suit as you cant fit assault weapons. proper logistics players would then still be able to full tank and fit all the equipment they need while still being able to do some damage. /facepalm Adam and Eve has a point. Logistic suit wearers want to be able to tank and by removing the light weapon slot, they can still tank but lack the range of an assault suit. It's not the first time this idea has been offered and still it's not a bad idea. Ok Let's play your game.... How can i support the team if ALL player outrange me ( SUPRISE, NO MORE HARD CAP!!!! ) with base slow speed, lesser health? You know whatlogi do and WHERE real logi play or you're another ALLtalkNOproof Guy? Again, Logi play in the same field that A.S.S. play and eat the same ****. With the lack of DPS done to the enemy, how can we be usefull when the useful weap OUTCLASS the most powerfull rep per? You want me have a Sidearm? FIne I want only logi have equip slot, because you cant supply yourself, you're an assault i will have fun watching you play STONEAGE 514 You know that in this game, those mechanics arent viable?
I'm perfectly ok with assault suits having no equipment slot. I'd suggest that scouts keep their equipment slot, however. Stone age people didn't have sidearm weapons, much less fully automatic SMGs, btw. |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:04:00 -
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Eno Raef wrote: I'm perfectly ok with assault suits having no equipment slot. I'd suggest that scouts keep their equipment slot, however. Stone age people didn't have sidearm weapons, much less fully automatic SMGs, btw.
Why scout need and equip slot, you know, is a scout
You know why i called it STONEAGE 514? because if a logi is not in the match you will see all the big A.S.S CODBOYS melee the enemy to death.
BIG FUN !!! |
Eno Raef
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
10
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:20:00 -
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Jastad wrote:Eno Raef wrote: I'm perfectly ok with assault suits having no equipment slot. I'd suggest that scouts keep their equipment slot, however. Stone age people didn't have sidearm weapons, much less fully automatic SMGs, btw. Why scout need and equip slot, you know, is a scout You know why i called it STONEAGE 514? because if a logi is not in the match you will see all the big A.S.S CODBOYS melee the enemy to death. BIG FUN !!!
Scout isn't worth much else and the suit is miserable, why not give them a slot for remote explosives. Logis complain about possibly being made less effective at assault than an assault class while the scout and heavy have received so little love from CCP. If CCP were to make the logi as bad as the scout and heavy, then a complaint from logi's should be heard. Logi and assault to me are very similar but the assault should shine at direct combat than the log, at least that's how it seems to me.
Really though, there will be no balance to the suits so we all waste our time speaking of it. Chromosome came and left, while CCP left us with a horrible suit imbalance. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
2240
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:24:00 -
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Eno Raef wrote:Jastad wrote:Eno Raef wrote: I'm perfectly ok with assault suits having no equipment slot. I'd suggest that scouts keep their equipment slot, however. Stone age people didn't have sidearm weapons, much less fully automatic SMGs, btw. Why scout need and equip slot, you know, is a scout You know why i called it STONEAGE 514? because if a logi is not in the match you will see all the big A.S.S CODBOYS melee the enemy to death. BIG FUN !!! Scout isn't worth much else and the suit is miserable, why not give them a slot for remote explosives. Logis complain about possibly being made less effective at assault than an assault class while the scout and heavy have received so little love from CCP. If CCP were to make the logi as bad as the scout and heavy, then a complaint from logi's should be heard. Logi and assault to me are very similar but the assault should shine at direct combat than the log, at least that's how it seems to me. Really though, there will be no balance to the suits so we all waste our time speaking of it. Chromosome came and left, while CCP left us with a horrible suit imbalance. You think logis are better than assaults because they're tankier. Assaults are faster, have sidearms, better shield regen, recharge delay, cheaper fits, and you can make a pretty damn decent assault fitting for way less SP that a logi would need. There are also other factors that people are completely overlooking. For example, if shields had a drawback similar to armor, would the CaLogi's bonus still be OP? |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:26:00 -
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Eno Raef wrote: Scout isn't worth much else and the suit is miserable, why not give them a slot for remote explosives. Logis complain about possibly being made less effective at assault than an assault class while the scout and heavy have received so little love from CCP. If CCP were to make the logi as bad as the scout and heavy, then a complaint from logi's should be heard. Logi and assault to me are very similar but the assault should shine at direct combat than the log, at least that's how it seems to me.
Really though, there will be no balance to the suits so we all waste our time speaking of it. Chromosome came and left, while CCP left us with a horrible suit imbalance.
Mine statement before was made for giving you and idea of HOW wrong is the concept: XXX is this so MUST do this...
Why you call in imbalance?
Apart of Cal.Logi ALL other Logi suit are inferior to their A.S.S. counterpart ( Cosgar provide the Chart )
Right now is simply wrong saying tha a logi can can tank better than a.s.s.
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Eno Raef
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.06 22:43:00 -
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Jastad wrote:Eno Raef wrote: Scout isn't worth much else and the suit is miserable, why not give them a slot for remote explosives. Logis complain about possibly being made less effective at assault than an assault class while the scout and heavy have received so little love from CCP. If CCP were to make the logi as bad as the scout and heavy, then a complaint from logi's should be heard. Logi and assault to me are very similar but the assault should shine at direct combat than the log, at least that's how it seems to me.
Really though, there will be no balance to the suits so we all waste our time speaking of it. Chromosome came and left, while CCP left us with a horrible suit imbalance. Mine statement before was made for giving you and idea of HOW wrong is the concept: XXX is this so MUST do this... Why you call in imbalance? Apart of Cal.Logi ALL other Logi suit are inferior to their A.S.S. counterpart ( Cosgar provide the Chart ) Right now is simply wrong saying tha a logi can can tank better than a.s.s.
I don't care about the assault vs logistics as much as I care that the medium suits are much more better than the scout and heavy. I don't know how the conversation shifted to me but it did. And so, if my opinion is that important to the masses, here it is. The assault should be stronger than the logistic suit at combat. If the assault is not the better suit at combat, then the balance between assault and logistics should be remedied. Regardless as to whether there is a problem between assault and logistics, they're complaints are null to me when the scout and heavy receive less. |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
255
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Posted - 2013.07.07 00:23:00 -
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Or buff the cal assault suit, and every other suit in the game up to the same levels. |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
185
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Posted - 2013.07.07 00:32:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:So, the current problem with Logistics is their insane tank. Their beefed up CPU/PG - which was intended to allow them to fit equipment - is being abused to allow them to fit complete racks of complex mods. Something that other, non logistics suits struggle to do, or can only do if they sacrifice in other areas.
So, I propose the following: Lower Logistics CPU/PG to be in-line with non-logistics suits. Don't nerf it in to the ground, but rather put it at comparable Assault levels. Then, give all Logistics suits a bonus which reduces the fitting requirements of certain equipment.
And presto. Logistics, without the broken fitting options. Problem solved.
Presto nothing, Logitics CPU/PG is already almost at assault level:
PROTO LEVEL CALDARI LOGI: CPU:390 PG:78 PROTO LEVEL AMARR ASAULT: CPU:350 PG:70
You cant reduce their CPU and PG without being a total nerf and rendering them useless.
Nice try.
But no. |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
432
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Posted - 2013.07.07 01:09:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:So, the current problem with Logistics is their insane tank. Their beefed up CPU/PG - which was intended to allow them to fit equipment - is being abused to allow them to fit complete racks of complex mods. Something that other, non logistics suits struggle to do, or can only do if they sacrifice in other areas.
So, I propose the following: Lower Logistics CPU/PG to be in-line with non-logistics suits. Don't nerf it in to the ground, but rather put it at comparable Assault levels. Then, give all Logistics suits a bonus which reduces the fitting requirements of certain equipment.
And presto. Logistics, without the broken fitting options. Problem solved. Presto nothing, Logitics CPU/PG is already almost at assault level:
PROTO LEVEL CALDARI LOGI: CPU:390 PG:78 PROTO LEVEL AMARR ASAULT: CPU:350 PG:70
You cant reduce their CPU and PG without being a total nerf and rendering them useless.
Nice try.
But no.
Bad comparison...
Logistics suits have 25% more CPU/PG than an Assault suit, that really isn't much when looking at the amount of CPU/PG equipment uses. But because Logibros aren't idiots we forgo proto equipment for survivability, because a dead logi is no logi, and no logi is no support, and no support is a possible loss.
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Geovexen
STRONG-ARMED BANDITS
0
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Posted - 2013.07.07 01:10:00 -
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i run minmatar logi. with no equipment i can get a pretty mean strong suit. however i tend not to cuz it's not my play style. in eve there are ship role bonuses that reduce module requirements to promote their use. i think the OP's suggestion is quite adequate. give suits a reduction in CPU/PG requirements for equipment and reduce their overall CPU/PG to avoid tanking abuse and you've got a good deal.
i play my logi supportive so i have to sacrifice my damage (running adv ARs) as well as tank (running enhanced mods) simply to fit equipment on my suit that adequately supports my squad. I think that makes me balanced. however people often forgo the equipment and take advantage of the high CPU/PG. take away the CPU/PG that was allocated for equipment and make it a role bonus and you'll have suits that maintain their purpose and can no longer be abused.
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Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
44
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Posted - 2013.07.07 12:46:00 -
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But Assault are better then LOGI.
More speed, More high stat and a sidearm.
As an Amarr logi i cant tell how often people understimate the sidearm slot.
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Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
47
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Posted - 2013.07.07 12:51:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:No. Just give them a damage reduction. Say, 20-30%. Then boost equipment's efficiency. Simple. Peace, Aizen Incoming or outgoing damage reduction? And are you saying, move the module bonus to equipment instead?
Yup. Exactly. They are not supposed to be worrying about themselves, but their comrades. I even put a sidearm on this alt's logi's so I can fit all PROTO equipment. Also, I put flux nades on just to scare off people, not kill them, and because they're easier to fit. This alt isn't very good at fighting, but it kicks ass as a logi bro.
Peace, Aizen |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.08 11:23:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote:Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:Aizen Intiki wrote:No. Just give them a damage reduction. Say, 20-30%. Then boost equipment's efficiency. Simple. Peace, Aizen Incoming or outgoing damage reduction? And are you saying, move the module bonus to equipment instead? Yup. Exactly. They are not supposed to be worrying about themselves, but their comrades. I even put a sidearm on this alt's logi's so I can fit all PROTO equipment. Also, I put flux nades on just to scare off people, not kill them, and because they're easier to fit. This alt isn't very good at fighting, but it kicks ass as a logi bro. Peace, Aizen
And please, tell me
How can you care for others when your squad is under fire and you cant do ANYTHING because every useful weap OUTCLASS the most powerull repper? And when your squad is under concentrate fire and you cant add DPS because they are too far?
Please, Again, Stop thinking hi creative solution, for easy solving problems. And stop watching PUBSCRUB match for balance |
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