DUST Search - Logistics - An Elegant Solution

Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:

BL4CKST4R wrote:

Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:

So, the current problem with Logistics is their insane tank. Their beefed up CPU/PG - which was intended to allow them to fit equipment - is being abused to allow them to fit complete racks of complex mods. Something that other, non logistics suits struggle to do, or can only do if they sacrifice in other areas.

So, I propose the following: Lower Logistics CPU/PG to be in-line with non-logistics suits. Don't nerf it in to the ground, but rather put it at comparable Assault levels. Then, give all Logistics suits a bonus which reduces the fitting requirements of certain equipment.

And presto. Logistics, without the broken fitting options. Problem solved.

Good luck getting support from logis who opt advanced or higher equipment for survivability. Also if my CPU/PG is to be lowered give me a sidearm since i will now be an assault suit, oh and dont forget to give me my speed back please; hell give me faster speed than an assault since my HP would be pretty low now.

Let me get this straight.. "Good luck getting support from the community that needs a nerf.". Yes, I think you're right. Nobody wants to get nerfed, so I really don't expect their backing. Having said that, I don't see many Logi's offering up a solution, so I suppose we have to take what we get.


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BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 418	Posted - 2013.07.05 23:13:00 - [1] - Quote Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: So, the current problem with Logistics is their insane tank. Their beefed up CPU/PG - which was intended to allow them to fit equipment - is being abused to allow them to fit complete racks of complex mods. Something that other, non logistics suits struggle to do, or can only do if they sacrifice in other areas. So, I propose the following: Lower Logistics CPU/PG to be in-line with non-logistics suits. Don't nerf it in to the ground, but rather put it at comparable Assault levels. Then, give all Logistics suits a bonus which reduces the fitting requirements of certain equipment. And presto. Logistics, without the broken fitting options. Problem solved. Good luck getting support from logis who opt advanced or higher equipment for survivability. Also if my CPU/PG is to be lowered give me a sidearm since i will now be an assault suit, oh and dont forget to give me my speed back please; hell give me faster speed than an assault since my HP would be pretty low now.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 426	Posted - 2013.07.06 12:12:00 - [2] - Quote Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: So, the current problem with Logistics is their insane tank. Their beefed up CPU/PG - which was intended to allow them to fit equipment - is being abused to allow them to fit complete racks of complex mods. Something that other, non logistics suits struggle to do, or can only do if they sacrifice in other areas. So, I propose the following: Lower Logistics CPU/PG to be in-line with non-logistics suits. Don't nerf it in to the ground, but rather put it at comparable Assault levels. Then, give all Logistics suits a bonus which reduces the fitting requirements of certain equipment. And presto. Logistics, without the broken fitting options. Problem solved. Good luck getting support from logis who opt advanced or higher equipment for survivability. Also if my CPU/PG is to be lowered give me a sidearm since i will now be an assault suit, oh and dont forget to give me my speed back please; hell give me faster speed than an assault since my HP would be pretty low now. Let me get this straight.. "Good luck getting support from the community that needs a nerf.". Yes, I think you're right. Nobody wants to get nerfed, so I really don't expect their backing. Having said that, I don't see many Logi's offering up a solution, so I suppose we have to take what we get. No its because its the same deal with the laser rifle, all of the laser rifles were fine until the viziam came along which was the only overpowered one. What did CCP do? Nerf the whole damn thing. Now comes the Caldari Logistics being the only Logistics suit thats overpowered, what does the community want? Nerf all of them because they are overpowered! Reading nerf logistics suit threads is like reading The Crucible. My solution has always been to give assault suits a 1-2% light weapon damage increase per level. Regardless of what you might think a Logistics suits needs to have higher survivability than a assault suit, even though the only one that does is a Caldari Logi, since when we die there is nobody there to provide any form of support and our suits cost 1.5x to 2x more than a proto fitted assault suit. Besides what do you guys need with the extra CPU/PG? You can already fit proto modules and weapons just fine in your high slots and low slots, except proto reactives and ferros but not even Logistics can fit them, so in reality the only thing you can use your extra CPU/PG is for a grenade above basic/advanced and proto equipment. You guys basically want logistic suit to play as scouts with a lot of equipment, and if thats the case fine nerf me but either respec me so you can find somebody else to keep your ass alive, or give me a sidearm and increase my speed so I can blow your ass away with a flaylock. Aside from the CaLogi, Logistic suits have the lowest HP, the lowest speed, and the lowest damage output of the medium suits. And apparently that makes us OP, because we sacrifice all that for 25% more CPU/PG and 1 extra module slot, oh and don't forget the non-lethal equipment that we can now fit! Caldari Logistics racial EHP: 934 Gallente Logistics EHP: 698 Caldari Assault EHP: 846 Gallente Assault EHP: 773 Amarr Assault EHP:811 Amarr Logistics EHP:736 Minmatar Assault EHP: 862 <-- 5.01m/s base speed after armor modules, wow... Minmatar Logistics EHP: 733 <-- 4.72 base speed after armor modules.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 426	Posted - 2013.07.06 12:13:00 - [3] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: No. Just give them a damage reduction. Say, 20-30%. Then boost equipment's efficiency. Simple. Peace, Aizen Why would you nerf our damage? If thats the case give us a side arm because no sidearm is a damage nerf.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 428	Posted - 2013.07.06 13:21:00 - [4] - Quote Why not just make the Logistics and Assault suits exactly the same, same base HP, same module distribution, same speed etc, the only difference being that the assault gets 2 equipment slots and 5% extra damage. While the Logistics get 3-4 equipment slots, and CPU/PG reductions on equipment. On the CPU/PG give both suits the average between vanilla logistics and assault suits, so 453/91. Basically both suits survive equally, but the assault can kill slightly faster, while the logistics can support better. Thus making the assault a good slayer and ok logistics because of 2 equipment slots, and making the logistics a good logistics and a ok slayer.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 432	Posted - 2013.07.07 01:09:00 - [5] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Kekklian Noobatronic wrote: So, the current problem with Logistics is their insane tank. Their beefed up CPU/PG - which was intended to allow them to fit equipment - is being abused to allow them to fit complete racks of complex mods. Something that other, non logistics suits struggle to do, or can only do if they sacrifice in other areas. So, I propose the following: Lower Logistics CPU/PG to be in-line with non-logistics suits. Don't nerf it in to the ground, but rather put it at comparable Assault levels. Then, give all Logistics suits a bonus which reduces the fitting requirements of certain equipment. And presto. Logistics, without the broken fitting options. Problem solved. Presto nothing, Logitics CPU/PG is already almost at assault level: PROTO LEVEL CALDARI LOGI: CPU:390 PG:78 PROTO LEVEL AMARR ASAULT: CPU:350 PG:70 You cant reduce their CPU and PG without being a total nerf and rendering them useless. Nice try. But no. Bad comparison... Logistics suits have 25% more CPU/PG than an Assault suit, that really isn't much when looking at the amount of CPU/PG equipment uses. But because Logibros aren't idiots we forgo proto equipment for survivability, because a dead logi is no logi, and no logi is no support, and no support is a possible loss.