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KOBLAKA1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 00:32:00 -
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https://dust514.com/newsitem/?friendlyid=weapon-ranges-in-uprising-1.2-and-beyond&channelid=60&channelname=blog&newsitempagetobeselected=blog
HMG has longer range than AR according to this. When is that switch happening? |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.04 00:35:00 -
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Quote:A couple things to keep in mind:
GÇó Range profiles are indicative of a weaponGÇÖs range compared to other weapons in its class. For example, the Rail Rifle has the longest range of the weapon variants in its class (the Assault Rifle, Combat Rifle and Scrambler Rifle being the others) but its range is not equivalent to that of the Sniper Rifle, another railgun-based weapon.
GÇó Where necessary, there are some exceptions to the established race conventions. The Plasma Cannon, for example, operates well beyond the short ranges of conventional plasma weaponry.
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KOBLAKA1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 00:37:00 -
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So 2/4 short range weapons arent short range nice CCP well done (cant count TBA yet) |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:12:00 -
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Its ok, HMG users can't understand why they shouldn't do a million dmg per second (you know because they have a ton of bullets and a crazy high RPM but whatever)
They will tell us ARs are suppose to be short range with a smile. |
KOBLAKA1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:13:00 -
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Lol im not saying it CCP is |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:14:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Its ok, HMG users can't understand why they shouldn't do a million dmg per second (you know because they have a ton of bullets and a crazy high RPM but whatever)
They will tell us ARs are suppose to be short range with a smile. I agree that until the Rail Rifle comes that Tac AR's should exist but once RR's come the Tac needs to go and then the same with the burst and the Combat Rifle. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:15:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Its ok, HMG users can't understand why they shouldn't do a million dmg per second (you know because they have a ton of bullets and a crazy high RPM but whatever)
They will tell us ARs are suppose to be short range with a smile.
You're right, I can't understand it.
It's an HMG, they saw buildings in half IRL.
It makes no sense, honestly. |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:17:00 -
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KOBLAKA1 wrote:Lol im not saying it CCP is Ok, I'm kind of ranting cause I'm a little drunk.
Just wanna apologies to my heavys bros, dont be mad at me guys.
Tacs were OP, don't nerf my full auto man... |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:18:00 -
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KOBLAKA1 wrote:Lol im not saying it CCP is
KOBLAKA1 wrote:Range profiles are indicative of a weaponGÇÖs range compared to other weapons in its class. |
Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:19:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Its ok, HMG users can't understand why they shouldn't do a million dmg per second (you know because they have a ton of bullets and a crazy high RPM but whatever)
They will tell us ARs are suppose to be short range with a smile. You're right, I can't understand it. It's an HMG, they saw buildings in half IRL. It makes no sense, honestly. Ok, why would you bring real life into this game? It can't exist in universe, it would ruin lots of cool stuff we get that we can't possibly have in real life. |
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KOBLAKA1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:19:00 -
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KOBLAKA1 wrote:So 2/4 short range weapons arent short range nice CCP well done (cant count TBA yet)
heres looking forward to the new laser heavy weapon then...
if its short range im running Tonberry from then on out
look i can requote stuff too |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:19:00 -
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ar has way more range where it does max damage then the hmg does. |
SERPENT-Adamapple
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:20:00 -
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Colonel Killar wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Its ok, HMG users can't understand why they shouldn't do a million dmg per second (you know because they have a ton of bullets and a crazy high RPM but whatever)
They will tell us ARs are suppose to be short range with a smile. I agree that until the Rail Rifle comes that Tac AR's should exist but once RR's come the Tac needs to go and then the same with the burst and the Combat Rifle.
There already is a racial varient of the TAC AR, It's called the Scrambler Rifle.
Breach = Rail Rifle
Burst = Combat Rifle.
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KOBLAKA1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:20:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Its ok, HMG users can't understand why they shouldn't do a million dmg per second (you know because they have a ton of bullets and a crazy high RPM but whatever)
They will tell us ARs are suppose to be short range with a smile. You're right, I can't understand it. It's an HMG, they saw buildings in half IRL. It makes no sense, honestly. Ok, why would you bring real life into this game? It can't exist in universe, it would ruin lots of cool stuff we get that we can't possibly have in real life.
Are we using english?
If so proceed to look up the definition of an HMG
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Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:22:00 -
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KOBLAKA1 wrote:KOBLAKA1 wrote:So 2/4 short range weapons arent short range nice CCP well done (cant count TBA yet)
heres looking forward to the new laser heavy weapon then...
if its short range im running Tonberry from then on out look i can requote stuff too So you just selectively ignore things? |
KOBLAKA1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:23:00 -
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how is that ignoring it? and in no way does that mean an AR change won't be coming |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:23:00 -
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KOBLAKA1 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Its ok, HMG users can't understand why they shouldn't do a million dmg per second (you know because they have a ton of bullets and a crazy high RPM but whatever)
They will tell us ARs are suppose to be short range with a smile. You're right, I can't understand it. It's an HMG, they saw buildings in half IRL. It makes no sense, honestly. Ok, why would you bring real life into this game? It can't exist in universe, it would ruin lots of cool stuff we get that we can't possibly have in real life. Are we using english? If so proceed to look up the definition of an HMG Guess thats why we see tons of HMGs on the battlefield.
Its not like all servicemen use Automatic Rifles...nope HMGs are the most powerful weapon so all soldiers should carry them.
Oh and rocket launchers, those things are hella powerful.
Edit:I don't wanna argue man, sorry. Seriously I've been fighting with people all day, thats the last thing I want. |
KOBLAKA1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:26:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:KOBLAKA1 wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Its ok, HMG users can't understand why they shouldn't do a million dmg per second (you know because they have a ton of bullets and a crazy high RPM but whatever)
They will tell us ARs are suppose to be short range with a smile. You're right, I can't understand it. It's an HMG, they saw buildings in half IRL. It makes no sense, honestly. Ok, why would you bring real life into this game? It can't exist in universe, it would ruin lots of cool stuff we get that we can't possibly have in real life. Are we using english? If so proceed to look up the definition of an HMG Guess thats why we see tons of HMGs on the battlefield. Its not like all servicemen use Automatic Rifles...nope HMGs are the most powerful weapon so all soldiers should carry them. Oh and rocket launchers, those things are hella powerful.
LMAO the problem is you are right and dont even know it. 1 member of a squad carries a machine gun so 1 out of 4 guys. Then on top of that theres a special squad for BIGGER MGs in another squad of the same PLT. Thank you for helping my argument. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:27:00 -
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KOBLAKA1 wrote:how is that ignoring it? and in no way does that mean an AR change won't be coming Not saying it is or isn't, though using that blog to determine that the AR should be shorter range than the HMG when they aren't of the same class doesn't work. For all we know heavy weapons in general may gravitate to lower ranges than their light counterparts. |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:29:00 -
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Ok, I edited my last post to say I'm sorry.
That being said, don't soldiers carry LMGs and not HMGs? |
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KOBLAKA1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:31:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Ok, I edited my last post to say I'm sorry.
That being said, don't soldiers carry LMGs and not HMGs?
touche but our HMG performs like the roll of an LMG.
"A multi-barrel, rotary drive machine gun, the HMG is a singularly devastating anti-infantry weapon." From HMG in game description
real HMGs are anti-vehicle/armor/aircraft/missile |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:35:00 -
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I'm pretty sure LMGs aren't multi barrel weapons and are meant for laying down cover fire.
"designed to be employed by an individual soldier, with or without an assistant, as an infantry support weapon. Light machine guns are often used as-ásquad automatic weapons." |
KOBLAKA1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:38:00 -
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its in the Anti-Infantry part. LMGs are AI HMGs are used for tank (see vuilcan cannon on the A-10 warthog) I also sight the gatling gun and Minigun as multibarrelled, also every few hundred shots LMG barrels are changed out (mid-Battle) so they are multi-barreled as well technically |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:41:00 -
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Colonel Killar wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Its ok, HMG users can't understand why they shouldn't do a million dmg per second (you know because they have a ton of bullets and a crazy high RPM but whatever)
They will tell us ARs are suppose to be short range with a smile. I agree that until the Rail Rifle comes that Tac AR's should exist but once RR's come the Tac needs to go and then the same with the burst and the Combat Rifle. You do know the rail rifle will be like the breach AR. The SCR is supposed to be like the tac rifle. |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:42:00 -
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SERPENT-Adamapple wrote:Colonel Killar wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Its ok, HMG users can't understand why they shouldn't do a million dmg per second (you know because they have a ton of bullets and a crazy high RPM but whatever)
They will tell us ARs are suppose to be short range with a smile. I agree that until the Rail Rifle comes that Tac AR's should exist but once RR's come the Tac needs to go and then the same with the burst and the Combat Rifle. There already is a racial varient of the TAC AR, It's called the Scrambler Rifle. Breach = Rail Rifle Burst = Combat Rifle. Breach, lore-wise, at least seems, like it would be Plasma weapons like the AR's. Tac's have 2 important aspects high damage, high range
ScR's are High damage Mid-Range RR's should be long range medium damage |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:43:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Colonel Killar wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Its ok, HMG users can't understand why they shouldn't do a million dmg per second (you know because they have a ton of bullets and a crazy high RPM but whatever)
They will tell us ARs are suppose to be short range with a smile. I agree that until the Rail Rifle comes that Tac AR's should exist but once RR's come the Tac needs to go and then the same with the burst and the Combat Rifle. You do know the rail rifle will be like the breach AR. The SCR is supposed to be like the tac rifle. Source? |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:43:00 -
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KOBLAKA1 wrote:its in the Anti-Infantry part. LMGs are AI. HMGs are used for tank (see vuilcan cannon on the A-10 warthog) I also sight the gatling gun and Minigun as multibarrelled LMGs. also every few hundred shots LMG barrels are changed out (mid-Battle) so they are multi-barreled as well technically I get your meaning, and it does make sense. But you have to admit that if a heavy machine gun is easy for a heavy to carry, then non-heavys should be able to carry actual Light machine guns.
So, HMGs are the LMGs of the future. Then what are the ARs? Sure they would have advanced the tech beyond a larger mag?
Again, I'm not here to argue I just wanna point out that ARs shouldn't be nerfed into oblivion just because alot of people use them. |
Cody Sietz
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:44:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Colonel Killar wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Its ok, HMG users can't understand why they shouldn't do a million dmg per second (you know because they have a ton of bullets and a crazy high RPM but whatever)
They will tell us ARs are suppose to be short range with a smile. I agree that until the Rail Rifle comes that Tac AR's should exist but once RR's come the Tac needs to go and then the same with the burst and the Combat Rifle. You do know the rail rifle will be like the breach AR. The SCR is supposed to be like the tac rifle. I think the rail is a long range weapon as well, isn't it? |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:46:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:KOBLAKA1 wrote:its in the Anti-Infantry part. LMGs are AI. HMGs are used for tank (see vuilcan cannon on the A-10 warthog) I also sight the gatling gun and Minigun as multibarrelled LMGs. also every few hundred shots LMG barrels are changed out (mid-Battle) so they are multi-barreled as well technically I get your meaning, and it does make sense. But you have to admit that if a heavy machine gun is easy for a heavy to carry, then non-heavys should be able to carry actual Light machine guns. So, HMGs are the LMGs of the future. Then what are the ARs? Sure they would have advanced the tech beyond a larger mag? Again, I'm not here to argue I just wanna point out that ARs shouldn't be nerfed into oblivion just because alot of people use them. Wait until people have the SP to get multiple light weapons then diversity will come. |
KOBLAKA1
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:46:00 -
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I actually dont want them nerfed, i want a buff to HMG (pick 1: range, 1-2 dmg per shot, and/or Heavy survivability buff of some sort). I didnt hink this thread would get so heated lol |
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