Sounds good to me.

Honestly if there was any logic to this game we would do at least SMG dmg... its a SUB-machine gun but does more damage per shot than a heavy one. Also Minmatar stuff is all interchangeable if you look at the art and read/listen to the design concept. So wouldn't the ammo be the same?

inb4 logic was your first mistake

Logic wasn't your first mistake. 'Logic' was.
The much higher fire rate of the HMG is just as valid a measurement of damage as damage per bullet. If you did SMG damage per bullet, that rate of fire would unbalance the weapon.

I think a much more reasonable proposition would be to remove the limits on turn speed, which is a terrible mechanic anyway.

meh

increase turning/tracking speed

increase strafing speed

leave running speed alone.

im fine with the damage, tbh. the rps def helps with that. i think its stupid that the boundless doesnt even do 20 dps when, like u said, the smgs do more damage. but i really dont have too much of an issue with it. ARs doing over 70 damage tho.....i mean.....really?

and i dont have problems with scouts/assaults running/bunnyhopping around me. they learn quick that BS doesnt work with this heavy. so GG.

Lol. Are you out of the academy? Do you play PC battles? Please let me hear your advice on GG?

the last thing the HMG needs is a buff...

find me an SMG that shoots a larger bullet than an HMG. Physics applies to ballistic weapons bigger equals more damage. We can go into deeper definitions if you want SMG is CQC weapon an HMG is not google it. I don't care about the modern day equivalents just the DEFINITIONS of the gun. RPM is not a valid excuse for doing less damage per shot

edit: i also think turn speed is garbage

Something needs to be done at close range now that strafing speed has been increased again and our tracking rate is slow.

It becomes very frustrating to be considered a close quarters suit whenever other suit can hop skip and side to side, ahead of my tracking speed. Granted not all can cause they are bad and many still die. But their is a limit to the hmg success based on mechanics not skill of the player this needs to be adjusted.

I've been discussing this with other heavies and we really think the damage needs to be increased at closer range, if we are not going to have our turning /tracking speed increased. The increase in damage may finely put the hmg in a good place.

Many heavies are probably scared to say anything cause we have been nerfed to the beyond and have made tiny little steps to get back to where we are now. And we are greatful for the handouts ccp. But let's make the heavy suit/hmg a truly dominant close quarter machine if that is the way we are going with it.

Let's face it heavies are worthless on open spaces now that range has been increased on all weapons. No problem we adapt we use LAVS, but since most maps are open spaces the least you can do is give us dominant power with higher damage in our optimal range.

The amount can be discussed but I'm thinking at least 1.8 per level of weapon.

Logic wasn't your first mistake. 'Logic' was.
The much higher fire rate of the HMG is just as valid a measurement of damage as damage per bullet. If you did SMG damage per bullet, that rate of fire would unbalance the weapon.

I think a much more reasonable proposition would be to remove the limits on turn speed, which is a terrible mechanic anyway.

lol.... says the Caldari Logi / tact. Duvolle / RE user

Curious to know what gun you're using now since it was nerfed.

I will fight any heavey buff

INB4 [Learntoaim] [AR514] [lolheaviesthinktheirslayers] [heaveyQQ] [nerfstrafespeed]

Every weapon I have proto I use, I don't need any weapon to do good.

I can spec heavy right now and I would instantly be the best heavy in the game.

Every weapon I have proto I use, I don't need any weapon to do good.

I can spec heavy right now and I would instantly be the best heavy in the game.

The problem with the balance of the HMG is that they are trying to make it into something it isnt-a CQC weapon.

IRL, every movie, and every other game featuring this type of weapon (multi rotating barrel machine gun) it is used as a med - long range suppressive fire weapon with more range than any other weapon firing similar ammunition (assault rifles). I challenge anyone to prove me wrong on this point.

The HMG is NOT a CQC weapon CCP! It is a med to long range suppression/area denial weapon and should be balanced as such.

To those who say you can't apply real world weapon properties to a game I say to you:

You can design weapons in a game to operate in game as their counterparts in real life operate in real life.

What about tf2?

Every weapon I have proto I use, I don't need any weapon to do good.

I can spec heavy right now and I would instantly be the best heavy in the game.

RPM x dammage per shot /60=DPS...of course rpm matter

Something needs to be done at close range now that strafing speed has been increased again and our tracking rate is slow.

It becomes very frustrating to be considered a close quarters suit whenever other suit can hop skip and side to side, ahead of my tracking speed. Granted not all can cause they are bad and many still die. But their is a limit to the hmg success based on mechanics not skill of the player this needs to be adjusted.

I've been discussing this with other heavies and we really think the damage needs to be increased at closer range, if we are not going to have our turning /tracking speed increased. The increase in damage may finely put the hmg in a good place.

Many heavies are probably scared to say anything cause we have been nerfed to the beyond and have made tiny little steps to get back to where we are now. And we are greatful for the handouts ccp. But let's make the heavy suit/hmg a truly dominant close quarter machine if that is the way we are going with it.

Let's face it heavies are worthless on open spaces now that range has been increased on all weapons. No problem we adapt we use LAVS, but since most maps are open spaces the least you can do is give us dominant power with higher damage in our optimal range.

The amount can be discussed but I'm thinking at least 1.8 per level of weapon.

Another heavy who thinks he should be invincible...

Another heavy who thinks he should be invincible...

Dammit you guys are gonna make me do math...

Ok here we go:

So base math is 602 dps with three damage modifiers which any proto medium can pretty much pull off

MAX dps on the boundless (sacrificing tank) = 784 dps

"Wow look 182 difference told you HMG doesnt need a buff..." garbage due to all the disadvantages put upon the heavy.

1 there is almost no dispersion on the AR (especially with the SS skill) so pretty much all that damage is applied

2 HMG doesnt apply all of its damage right way so our dps is shite at first and if we let off the trigger at all (OH) it restarts.

3 Range effective range lets AR users hit us sooner

4 OUR Hitbox is monstrous and so is our head

5 we cant "DDR" which means thats another advantage to the AR user.

6 182 dps is 4 shots or so with AR its 9 with HMG... so turning, strafe, jumping all play a huge difference

7 this is just 1 v1 a heavy is supposed to take concentrated small arms fire not have a close call with 1 guy

In summary while i still believe SMG damage progression is the way it should be a 1.8 damage increase per level of HMG would be entirely fair to all involved parties.

edit: i was going to do a tank disparity analysis as well but i got **** to do. (ie std suit difference in tank heavy vs medium compared to at PROTO)

Something needs to be done at close range now that strafing speed has been increased again and our tracking rate is slow.

It becomes very frustrating to be considered a close quarters suit whenever other suit can hop skip and side to side, ahead of my tracking speed. Granted not all can cause they are bad and many still die. But their is a limit to the hmg success based on mechanics not skill of the player this needs to be adjusted.

I've been discussing this with other heavies and we really think the damage needs to be increased at closer range, if we are not going to have our turning /tracking speed increased. The increase in damage may finely put the hmg in a good place.

Many heavies are probably scared to say anything cause we have been nerfed to the beyond and have made tiny little steps to get back to where we are now. And we are greatful for the handouts ccp. But let's make the heavy suit/hmg a truly dominant close quarter machine if that is the way we are going with it.

Let's face it heavies are worthless on open spaces now that range has been increased on all weapons. No problem we adapt we use LAVS, but since most maps are open spaces the least you can do is give us dominant power with higher damage in our optimal range.

The amount can be discussed but I'm thinking at least 1.8 per level of weapon.

Every weapon I have proto I use, I don't need any weapon to do good.

I can spec heavy right now and I would instantly be the best heavy in the game.