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General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:50:00 -
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First off I'd just like to say, as a proud EA hater, CCP..... you've just become extremely close to being dead to me.
Quote: CCP taps EA's Sean Decker as new VP of product development
by Mike Foster on Jul 2nd 2013 8:30AM
Big changes from Iceland today, as CCP announced that it has brought on Sean Decker as senior vice president of product development. Decker is a 12-year EA veteran and recently headed the publisher's free-to-play focused games group, along with previously overseeing DICE and EA Los Angeles. EVE Online, as crazy as it sounds, is entering its second decade of being a game about internet spaceships, and CCP is looking toward the future.
The company referenced Decker's extensive industry experience as a valuable asset in helping guide EVE Online through its next 10 years and in ensuring growth through the eventually-maybe launch of World of Darkness and the expansion of DUST 514. Decker will be based out of CCP's Atlanta studio.
Massively's Brendan Drain spoke with Decker and EVE's Hilmar Petursson at a press event yesterday. We'll have more information on how the new hire will impact EVE this afternoon!
With good reason, I avoided spending money on EA products for the four years proir to BF3's release, and have avoided purchasing any more EA products since then. Sorry, but I won't bother elaborating, since this is neither the time nor place for all that jazz. However, I do have some questions I want to ask......
- What impact, if any, does the Dust514 community expect this move(hire) to have on Dust and the Eve universe?
- What does the Dust514 community feel this decision says about CCP?
- Any other thoughts or concerns on this subject?
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Knight SoIaire
Rent-A-Murder Taxi
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:52:00 -
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EA may be a ****** company (Although they seem to be changing a little now), but they do publish some fantastic games. |
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak4
Expert Intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:53:00 -
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It's a positive move for CCP. They needed someone different in their office. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:53:00 -
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well there's a lot of people involved in a company, some force things yon their employees even project leads.
just because he worked at EA doesn't mean he's the reason why I hate a lot of their policies, doesn't mean he's not either, guess we'll see. |
Aran Abbas
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2013.07.02 12:54:00 -
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Just because you've worked for EA doesn't mean you're evil incarnate.
Just a high probability of it. |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:02:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:well there's a lot of people involved in a company, some force things yon their employees even project leads.
just because he worked at EA doesn't mean he's the reason why I hate a lot of their policies, doesn't mean he's not either, guess we'll see.
He didn't "just work at EA"
He "ran" the F2P games division for EA, globally. He oversaw (read: ran) Dice and EA Los Angeles.
The two above facts place him in direct accountability as to some of the controversial changes BF3 brought about to the Battlefield franchise. It also places him in direct responsibility for failure POS pay-to-win games like Battlefield Free2Play (go google it).
This guy was not the poor pee-on looking to make EA better and getting stepped on for his effort. He's the one that was crushing said employees (and their integrity) beneath his heel......... imho |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:12:00 -
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The question here is why did this guy leave EA Games in the first place? |
Vavilia Lysenko
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:18:00 -
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General Technique wrote: Blah, Blah, Blah
CCP Atlanta = Primarily World of Darkness
Now remove Tinfoil hat, and unbunch those panties.
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MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:18:00 -
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EA games is starting to trend back to being a better gaming house, its Activision thats been crap lately.
That said yea this person's decision in BF franchise didn't help endear him to anyone, so this may end up being worse in the long run. |
Daedric Lothar
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:22:00 -
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Maybe CCP will get its own Baby Eating Division now. With the population rising, its high time that more corporations take a stand and look to the future. |
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General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:29:00 -
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Vavilia Lysenko wrote:General Technique wrote: Blah, Blah, Blah
CCP Atlanta = Primarily World of Darkness Now remove Tinfoil hat, and unbunch those panties.
mushroom less, fanbro......
v v v v v v v v v v ".....and the expansion of Dust514" ~the article |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
881
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:34:00 -
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If, as you say, this guy made some mistakes... I'd look to who he is. If he's the type that learns from his mistakes then this could be a really good move.
Seriously guys, some of you need to grow up a little bit. CCP won't become EA overnight unless they start putting EA folks in everything. At the level this guy is coming in at he shouldn't be in the lower level details. I'd bet dollars that this guy and CCP have had some discussions about who pays the salary and what they expect to get out of that. |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:46:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:If, as you say, this guy made some mistakes... I'd look to who he is. If he's the type that learns from his mistakes then this could be a really good move.
Seriously guys, some of you need to grow up a little bit. CCP won't become EA overnight unless they start putting EA folks in everything. At the level this guy is coming in at he shouldn't be in the lower level details. I'd bet dollars that this guy and CCP have had some discussions about who pays the salary and what they expect to get out of that.
I think it's pretty apparent that he's been brought in for his extensive knowledge and experience with F2P monetization and the operations and financing (etc...) that goes on with that gaming sector.
The amount of power and influence he'll wield within CCP is yet to be seen, but the truth of the matter is that the culture he brings to the table is 100% EA. That's what CCP has went and gotten itself.
If you're looking for example to gauge this situation by, EA has been vomiting high profile execs, directors and CEOs all over other dev studios and publishers throughout the industry for the past half decade. Go do some research and see how the majority of those situations often turned out. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.02 13:57:00 -
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That is great news ... how you manage to do that CCP ? |
WhiteMage7322
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:13:00 -
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Don't confuse EA with DICE. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
886
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:19:00 -
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On another note... unless the blurb is mistaken it seems to be talking about the future of EVE online... so maybe they will consider a way to make it F2P also? |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:32:00 -
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Aww yeah... Madden throwing skills being brought to the Grenade game.
(I don't assume that any of you are old enough to remember CoD before they went MW/Black Ops dumbness and the games were good.) |
RoundEy3
Metal Mind Industries
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:34:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Aww yeah... Madden throwing skills being brought to the Grenade game.
(I don't assume that any of you are old enough to remember CoD before they went MW/Black Ops dumbness and the games were good.)
I know what you speak of. Their decline was disappointing to experience. The last CoD I played was #2. Haven't touched them since
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Munin-Frey
Fish Spotters Inc.
8
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Posted - 2013.07.02 14:44:00 -
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I agree that somebody working for EA doesn't equal EA taking over Dust but I can say that I've played many recent EA offerings and they all were profit based games.... just enough to get people to buy the game and then you would realize the mistake you just made. It isn't that EA sucks it's just that the bean counters are running the show over there. I have several games that I still play even years after they were released but there isn't a single EA game worth playing after about a week. Hopefully Dust isn't going to go down this path.......
Here is some constructive criticism: It makes no sense that you can buy some things with Aur but there are other ways to get the same stuff cheaper if you buy a different offering. Example: Aerial pack gives dropships that can be bought cheaper if you just buy the Aur and then buy them with Aur. Second Example: you can buy 100,000 Aur or you can buy the Merc Pack that comes with 100,000 Aur plus dropsuits and other schwag for the same price. |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:16:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Aww yeah... Madden throwing skills being brought to the Grenade game.
(I don't assume that any of you are old enough to remember CoD before they went MW/Black Ops dumbness and the games were good.)
COD 3 was my favorite console COD game, which was odd considering Treyarch developed it in less than 9 months
When I first saw COD4 I was immediately disappointed, but gave it a shot anyways. Everyone that knew me as a gamer back then knows that I didn't like the direction they went with the franchise, wasn't keen on liking Modern Warfare even before I had tried it, and barely found it entertaining after playing it.
At a glance, I new that I was done with the COD franchise when I saw the first BlackOps. Just wasn't my cup of tea anymore. Had way too many better options for competitive twitch shooter, arcade shooter, and tactical shooter gaming. |
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.02 15:36:00 -
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EA as a whole should be brought down since they love to ruin original titles when they absorb the company and sqaush any decent games in favour of the 'casual gamer' while DLC is everywhere and profit is king and always will be
They got voted worst company in US twice lol
The guy has left EA maybe he removed his head form his arse and has seen the light, then again maybe he has been brinwashed by EA and is sent out to ruin other companys with EA bad ideas
Time will tell |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:29:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:EA as a whole should be brought down since they love to ruin original titles when they absorb the company and sqaush any decent games in favour of the 'casual gamer' while DLC is everywhere and profit is king and always will be
They got voted worst company in US twice lol
The guy has left EA maybe he removed his head form his arse and has seen the light, then again maybe he has been brinwashed by EA and is sent out to ruin other companys with EA bad ideas
Time will tell I thought they promoted everything for the causal gamer, rather than crush it. Can't claim BF3 is for the hardcore type. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:30:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:EA as a whole should be brought down since they love to ruin original titles when they absorb the company and sqaush any decent games in favour of the 'casual gamer' while DLC is everywhere and profit is king and always will be
They got voted worst company in US twice lol
The guy has left EA maybe he removed his head form his arse and has seen the light, then again maybe he has been brinwashed by EA and is sent out to ruin other companys with EA bad ideas
Time will tell Oh, and get online today. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:43:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:EA may be a ****** company (Although they seem to be changing a little now), but they do publish some fantastic games. No they don't. Their games are terrible. |
Spkr4theDead
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:44:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:The question here is why did this guy leave EA Games in the first place? Probably to destroy other companies. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.02 16:49:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote:EA as a whole should be brought down since they love to ruin original titles when they absorb the company and sqaush any decent games in favour of the 'casual gamer' while DLC is everywhere and profit is king and always will be
They got voted worst company in US twice lol
The guy has left EA maybe he removed his head form his arse and has seen the light, then again maybe he has been brinwashed by EA and is sent out to ruin other companys with EA bad ideas
Time will tell I thought they promoted everything for the causal gamer, rather than crush it. Can't claim BF3 is for the hardcore type.
They crush the good games then rehash it with DLC on top, except its nothing like the original game and makes the entire series a joke except for new players to the series or ones who want it easier
Like in BF4 when you try to stab someone ther is a QTE and a button you get to press to counter the knife with your own, ther was nothing wrong with the knife to begin with but its a small change and makes it easier for players
Il be on in a bit |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.02 17:39:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:EA may be a ****** company (Although they seem to be changing a little now), but they do publish some fantastic games. Are you mental? |
BARDAS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.02 17:42:00 -
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EA was awarded worst company two years in a row for a reason. I sure hope the business practices of that company don't start translating into CCP cause I will bail ship fast. I have not made an EA purchase since Dragon Age 2 was released and I won't hesitate to include others in the list if they start to get anti-consumer on us. Microsoft is most recently on my black balled list for the XB1 debacle.
http://consumerist.com/2013/04/09/ea-makes-worst-company-in-america-history-wins-title-for-second-year-in-a-row/ |
Alucard Fang
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.07.02 17:44:00 -
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As long as EA continues working with Bioware, and DICE, I'll continue buying their games. BF3 was a step back compared to BFBC2. But it was decent, BF4 looks like a step in the right direction. Also, DICE is making Star Wars Battle Front 3, on top of that they have a new Mass Effect and Dragon Age coming out, so I won't hate on EA. They're getting better too. They're also working with PopCap to make Plants Vs Zombies Garden Warfare, and I gotta say, that looks fun. |
Deadeye Dic
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.02 17:58:00 -
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For all those who are saying that they don't buy EA games, your gaming is really limited. EA doesn't publish bad games, EA is horrible at customer service. Almost all of EA's titles win awards or are long running franchise titles, like most of their sports games. With rare exception, EA tends to buy quality studios as well. Unlike other companies, EA isn't afraid to spend money on game development. Companies like Dice and Bioware were two small to invest heavily on follow up games and large teams. They had to look some place else for investment. With rare exception, companies like Dice and EA can compete with larger companies like EA, but it's not often. Companies like EA and Activision have saturated the game market with so many games that it's almost impossible for independents or startups to get into the game. Unless they have a great idea to start with, in which case they either end up selling to EA or Activision or EA/Activision just creates their own version of the game, pour tons of money into it and crushes the little guy.
At the end of the day EA/Activision is the Wal-Mart of the gaming world. No one likes what Wal-Mart is doing to mom and pop business', but everyone still shops there. |
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BARDAS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:35:00 -
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Deadeye Dic wrote:EA doesn't publish bad games
Just a few from recent memory.
- Dragon Age 2
- Sim City 5
- Fuse
- Star Wars The Old Republic
- Ending for Mass Effect 3
- Ninja Reflex (Wii)
- FIFA 13
- Dead Space 3 (lost the feeling of the original - plus microtransactions in a single player game...)
- Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes
- EVERY SINGLE iOS/ANDROID MONEY GRAB GAME THEY MAKE
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Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:38:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:On another note... unless the blurb is mistaken it seems to be talking about the future of EVE online... so maybe they will consider a way to make it F2P also? And cut out the PLEX and RMT market? Highly unlikely. |
Bigglesworth McQueen
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
144
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Posted - 2013.07.02 18:55:00 -
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My wager is that the next update will be an advert.
Pay to win items will be added to the market.
I won't be playing it. |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.02 19:08:00 -
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Deadeye Dic wrote:For all those who are saying that they don't buy EA games, your gaming is really limited. EA doesn't publish bad games, EA is horrible at customer service. Almost all of EA's titles win awards or are long running franchise titles, like most of their sports games. With rare exception, EA tends to buy quality studios as well. Unlike other companies, EA isn't afraid to spend money on game development. Companies like Dice and Bioware were two small to invest heavily on follow up games and large teams. They had to look some place else for investment. With rare exception, companies like Dice and EA can compete with larger companies like EA, but it's not often. Companies like EA and Activision have saturated the game market with so many games that it's almost impossible for independents or startups to get into the game. Unless they have a great idea to start with, in which case they either end up selling to EA or Activision or EA/Activision just creates their own version of the game, pour tons of money into it and crushes the little guy.
At the end of the day EA/Activision is the Wal-Mart of the gaming world. No one likes what Wal-Mart is doing to mom and pop business', but everyone still shops there.
Well could yo show us what "good games" we are missing out? Besides brutal legend... nope I got nothing. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.02 19:13:00 -
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Aside from the whole judging without even knowing the guy thing I am just going to leave this here: http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,11359/
To name a few: C&C Renegade BF2 BF2142 Mirrors Edge
Looks awesome to me! :D |
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Morathi III
Pro Hic Immortalis
114
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Posted - 2013.07.02 19:16:00 -
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The only other FPS i played in PVP was BC2, so yes that sound great |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
54
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Posted - 2013.07.02 19:34:00 -
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I used to love BF2 and especially BF2142 - Bring us something akin to TITAN MODE in BF2142! You are almost there with the war barges, just allow us to get into them maybe we have to take out shield or power generators or something - give dropships a role in getting us there! |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance
55
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Posted - 2013.07.02 19:37:00 -
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What a misleading title. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
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Posted - 2013.07.02 19:42:00 -
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SPOILER ALERT
We'll get a choose-your-color explosion at the end (Mass Effect 3) find out that there arent one, not seven but THOUSANDS of markers but the moon is the real enemy (Dead Space 3) and lose all RPG elements what so ever infavor of third person action content (Dragon Age 2)
Suffice to say this game would be even more **** than it already is. |
Jason Punk
DUST University Ivy League
142
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Posted - 2013.07.02 19:44:00 -
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Seen him, before. Always thought he's had a pretty solid head on his shoulder.
Feel free to draw your own conclusions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oDEcESAx-4 |
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Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
1723
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Posted - 2013.07.02 19:45:00 -
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Lmfao, sure. Justmake all of our assets Tiberium dependant and only ableto build installations when weve defended a stupid truck for an hour and a half. EA was the death of Command and Conquer.
But Scouts having free-run/parkour would be cool. Cause that worked out so well in Brink. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2997
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Posted - 2013.07.02 19:47:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Crash Monster wrote:On another note... unless the blurb is mistaken it seems to be talking about the future of EVE online... so maybe they will consider a way to make it F2P also? And cut out the PLEX and RMT market? Highly unlikely.
PLEX is allowed.
RMT is a bannable offense. |
BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
304
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Posted - 2013.07.02 20:05:00 -
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I see what you did here.
*cough PBN (aka public brown nosing)* |
Judy Maat
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
116
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Posted - 2013.07.02 20:18:00 -
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yeah! maybe we will have an FPS that feel right..in 1-2 years.. don't judge the guy with the company he was working for.. He look like on hell of a game designer veteran. |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
201
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Posted - 2013.07.02 21:51:00 -
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So 2 battlefield games that are how old?.... EA is a "has been" people are just to slow to notice it.
Gimme something post '09 that is good, mirrors edge was very... "meh" |
hooc roht
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
165
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Posted - 2013.07.02 22:00:00 -
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Morathi III wrote:The only other FPS i played in PVP was BC2, so yes that sound great
What the hell is BC2? |
Pje251296
KILL ORDERS
5
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Posted - 2013.07.02 22:03:00 -
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hooc roht wrote:Morathi III wrote:The only other FPS i played in PVP was BC2, so yes that sound great What the hell is BC2?
Does he mean Bad Company 2?
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steadyhand amarr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
749
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Posted - 2013.07.02 22:57:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:SPOILER ALERT
We'll get a choose-your-color explosion at the end (Mass Effect 3) find out that there arent one, not seven but THOUSANDS of markers but the moon is the real enemy (Dead Space 3) and lose all RPG elements what so ever infavor of third person action content (Dragon Age 2)
Suffice to say this game would be even more **** than it already is.
facedesk.... each one of those games are very enjoyable saying otherwise is just jumping on the hate fad tbh. with execption of mass effect 3 ending but thats a writters issue not a development one |
SENATOR KODOS
Absentee AFK Regiment
173
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Posted - 2013.07.02 22:59:00 -
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LOLEA Complete garbage. My buddy worked for EA and they are worse than you even know. |
Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
840
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Posted - 2013.07.02 23:00:00 -
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some of my favourite games |
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SENATOR KODOS
Absentee AFK Regiment
173
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Posted - 2013.07.02 23:08:00 -
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You should try naming some games that arent old next time. lol derp.
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boba's fetta
Operation Clone Shield
99
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Posted - 2013.07.02 23:10:00 -
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i have to say this guy being from ea does make me nervous. i really really dont like ea. but with the games he has under his belt i think he could turn out to be what was needed.
just back everything up he could be a spy.... |
Karl Koekwaus
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2013.07.02 23:12:00 -
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his games up till 2008 are OK, then it's just Grab Cash and Run tactics.
Battlefield Heroes, Command & Conquer Tiberium Alliances and Need For Speed World are some oexamples of butchering of franchises in recent gaming history. All F4P games, he helped to develop.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/11/29/interview-ea-sean-decker-play4free-games_n_2211813.html
CCP sure know how to put a downer on an otherwise nice Dust day :( |
Solia Breton
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
2
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Posted - 2013.07.02 23:12:00 -
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General Technique wrote:calisk galern wrote:well there's a lot of people involved in a company, some force things yon their employees even project leads.
just because he worked at EA doesn't mean he's the reason why I hate a lot of their policies, doesn't mean he's not either, guess we'll see. He didn't "just work at EA" He "ran" the F2P games division for EA, globally. He oversaw (read: ran) Dice and EA Los Angeles. The two above facts place him in direct accountability as to some of the controversial changes BF3 brought about to the Battlefield franchise. It also places him in direct responsibility for failure POS pay-to-win games like Battlefield Free2Play (go google it). This guy was not the poor pee-on looking to make EA better and getting stepped on for his effort. He's the one that was crushing said employees (and their integrity) beneath his heel......... imho
THIS IS THE TRUTH.. I played bf-f2p for years... then about 2 years ago they FFUKKTT it all up...... so if this IS THE SAME GUY, ccp better not buckle under this greedy f@k |
Sotapopthegrey gay
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.07.02 23:13:00 -
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Couldn't go to the link, because i could of been hacked |
Sotapopthegrey gay
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2013.07.02 23:21:00 -
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CCP you could of hired me and i would of been cheaper... |
Eriknaught
Vader's Taco Shack
16
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:19:00 -
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boba's fetta wrote:i have to say this guy being from ea does make me nervous. i really really dont like ea. but with the games he has under his belt i think he could turn out to be what was needed.
just back everything up he could be a spy....
Welcome to New Eden. |
Aoena Rays
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
244
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:25:00 -
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He is based in atlanta office. Atlanta office works on World of Darkness. This has nothing to do with DUST 514 whatsoever. Get over it ;)
http://www.ccpgames.com/en/public-relations/press-releases/article/75435/industry-veteran-sean-decker-joins-ccp-as-senior-vice-president-product-development/
Executive producer has the ultimate say in game development and progress - and that is CCP Jian. |
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CCP Frame
C C P C C P Alliance
1213
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Posted - 2013.07.03 02:35:00 -
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I still remember C&C Renegade and endless hours I spent playing it in multiplayer with my friends... Start at 20:00 finish at 6:00 the next day. Protecting the harvester all day long with my sniper! @CCP_Frame // DUST 514 Community Team |
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
276
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Posted - 2013.07.03 04:43:00 -
[60] - Quote
I do hate EA with passion. And I disliked Battlefield - I think it's only a slightly less dumb COD. As far as EA goes: just look at what they have done to Bioware.... Everything they touch turns to dust. Pun intended.
I will say this though. These forums have been ringing with threads that called CCP to pay attention at how other AAA titles are and that CCP should learn from them. The prime example ppl used was Battlefield. And Battlefield is just such a quintessential EA title. So CCP brings someone from EA to set themselves straight and the community turns around to spit on this. I just don't get it. Is Battlefield good? Is EA bad? Are they in any way connected? Comon people... |
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
711
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Posted - 2013.07.03 04:56:00 -
[61] - Quote
Not like the guy is going to be any worse than who we currently have if he gets involved Dust side Not to mention he actually has FPS experience so this could be a good thing |
Khal V'Rani
Nephilim Initiative
151
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Posted - 2013.07.03 05:56:00 -
[62] - Quote
I would say CCP knows who they are as a company and where they want to go with their games. How many of the long time Eve players have seen a drastic shift in what CCP brings to the table with the hiring of one person? As Dust is tied to Eve and Eve is their baby and the two will be inseparably linked... Would CCP let someone molest and brainwash the baby? I f****** hope not. I don't know. The game is the game and that's how they pay the bills. This move speaks more of business than anything else to me. I'll sit in overwatch and wait to see. |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
201
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Posted - 2013.07.03 06:25:00 -
[63] - Quote
Well... parenting has gone downhill drastically this last decade so.... |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.07.03 06:47:00 -
[64] - Quote
Parenting has gone down period. But online anonymity give those who are normally quiet in public the podium to be the ultimate kitten they can be.
Also I'm glad the title was changed. This hate everything EA is absurd and immature. Let's see what is brought to the table before we ASSUME anything. |
meri jin
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
65
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Posted - 2013.07.03 07:49:00 -
[65] - Quote
I to have avoided spending money on EA products for couple of years now, the only one I granted myself was BF3. EA is for me the very worst company out there in the business. They incarnated for me the worst of the worst, money-grubbing is all that matter, the goal is not to make a god product; the goal is to milk as much money from the customers as possible. There is a difference between profit and milking.
Disproportionate micro transaction, DLCs, the lovely online passes, DRM, always online, Origins (remember that they scanned your PC, your FULL PC(!) and you even have to agree with it, in order to use this "service". Exempt DICE, nothing god comes from this company. They destroyed the vision of my two most favored Doctors at Bio Ware, ****** up Mass Effect, ****** up Stars Wars Online, ****** up SimCity and boy, donGÇÖt get me even started what I hate else, I would hit the character limit GǪ
In general I hate companies how need to sell multiple millions of games in order to be successful, it shows me that they become way to big and losing way too much money in game irrelevant things. Please read this: http://www.destructoid.com/used-games-and-aaa-games-are-incompatible-good--256227.phtml
But one last thing, do you remember when EA stepped up and say: GÇ£we will cancel the online passesGÇ¥? Yes? Well guess what, they did it because they were hoping to get this money from you thorough the Xbone, now that Microsoft GÇ£listen to the feedbackGÇ¥ and removed the old policies all we need to do is wait until EA find another word for online pass to milk once again the costumer.
And now we have a Senior Vice Prsesidnt Product Development guy from EA. Well boys and grils, get ready to pay $$ for SP, $$ for color patterns, $$ for planets in Dust, $$ for "Map DLCs", $$ for everything that should be allready in the game. WAIT!! Now everyting makes sence, guys if you like to use the gallente heavy, all you need to do is pay for it! |
steadyhand amarr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
750
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Posted - 2013.07.03 08:07:00 -
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.... I don't get the EA they make some of the most awsome games on the market and omg they charge u for more content shock and gasp the only issue I have with EA was the interference in how studios opperate. But that guy got the boot apprenty and now every one can develop with minimal interference.
Really steam and Activision are just as bad. But those two have godly pr teams. And the internet has a massive blind spot in regards to steam which is annoying at times |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
586
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Posted - 2013.07.03 10:39:00 -
[67] - Quote
MOH was a terrible game and all the C&C games made after they scrapped Westwood Studios were crap and awful
PS1 versions of C&C beat what they put out now
They wrecked a awesome series |
Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
92
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Posted - 2013.07.03 10:57:00 -
[68] - Quote
Rupture Reaperson wrote: mirrors edge was very... "meh"
You're going to get herpes and burn in hell .... with burning herpes. |
BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
304
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Posted - 2013.07.03 11:03:00 -
[69] - Quote
This person may be just what DUST needs.
Worse case is he runs into the ground and lets be honest, that is the direction this game is going anyway so meh!
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KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire
479
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Posted - 2013.07.03 11:21:00 -
[70] - Quote
Knight SoIaire wrote:EA may be a ****** company (Although they seem to be changing a little now), but they do publish some fantastic games. Not in a long while.
EA -> Project $10 -> Origin -> me not being customer. Never bought another EA product.
On the good side, maybe the guy is considering that moving to CCP was a valid escape plan to get free from the worst company in the US.
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Sotapopthegrey gay
Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2013.07.03 12:15:00 -
[71] - Quote
Takahiro Kashuken wrote:MOH was a terrible game and all the C&C games made after they scrapped Westwood Studios were crap and awful
PS1 versions of C&C beat what they put out now
They wrecked a awesome series
two ps1 connected. |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
82
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Posted - 2013.07.03 12:23:00 -
[72] - Quote
What are you trying to say here?
For instance: Did you just try to give that EA spawn credit for Battlefield 2's creation/development/success? Seriously? The same Battlefield 2 that began development before EA even purchased Dice (read: Dice sold out)? The same Battlefield 2 that was ACTUALLY inspired by the mod "Desert Combat" and was in-part developed by said mod team's first dev studio, Trauma Studios?
Please tell me that I don't no more than you do about the games on his so-called "Games Credited" list and how little his existence had on the creation and success of a number of them. Please.
Prejudging the guy? BS.... Your problem has nothing to do with the guy being prejudged, because I've done no such thing. Your issue is with my implications (read: not prejudging) of what said EA spawn's presence as CCP will result in.
By the way, nice thread title hijack. Spent all night at work wondering what the freak happened to my thread.
Every online shooter developer that I've ever encountered.... EVER..... has always had everything figured out enough to know they were right about anything I felt they were doing wrong. Until they either begrudgingly (often half-assedly) admit fault or were promoted to the position of "former dev of a now defunct game development branch/company" (often taking their position to the dev graveyard with them) |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
82
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Posted - 2013.07.03 12:26:00 -
[73] - Quote
Michael Arck wrote:What a misleading title.
It wasn't my original title. Some forum admin or dev was "nice" enough to change (read: hijack) it for me without prompt or notice.
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
130
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Posted - 2013.07.03 12:29:00 -
[74] - Quote
General Technique wrote:What are you trying to say here? For instance: Did you just try to give that EA spawn credit for Battlefield 2's creation/development/success? Seriously? The same Battlefield 2 that began development before EA even purchased Dice (read: Dice sold out)? The same Battlefield 2 that was ACTUALLY inspired by the mod "Desert Combat" and was in-part developed by said mod team's first dev studio, Trauma Studios? Please tell me that I don't no more than you do about the games on his so-called "Games Credited" list and how little his existence had on the creation and success of a number of them. Please. Prejudging the guy? BS.... Your problem has nothing to do with the guy being prejudged, because I've done no such thing. Your issue is with my implications (read: not prejudging) of what said EA spawn's presence as CCP will result in. By the way, nice thread title hijack. Spent all night at work wondering what the freak happened to my thread. Every online shooter developer that I've ever encountered.... EVER..... has always had everything figured out enough to know they were right about anything I felt they were doing wrong. Until they either begrudgingly (often half-assedly) admit fault or were promoted to the position of "former dev of a now defunct game development branch/company" (often taking their position to the dev graveyard with them)
I think the "Point" is, that he have experience with well known AAA games. CCP have lots to gain, and nothing to loose. It have nothing to do with EA in particular, as you trying to make it sound ... |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
161
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Posted - 2013.07.03 12:34:00 -
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Munin-Frey wrote:I agree that somebody working for EA doesn't equal EA taking over Dust but I can say that I've played many recent EA offerings and they all were profit based games.... just enough to get people to buy the game and then you would realize the mistake you just made. It isn't that EA sucks it's just that the bean counters are running the show over there. I have several games that I still play even years after they were released but there isn't a single EA game worth playing after about a week. Hopefully Dust isn't going to go down this path.......
Here is some constructive criticism: It makes no sense that you can buy some things with Aur but there are other ways to get the same stuff cheaper if you buy a different offering. Example: Aerial pack gives dropships that can be bought cheaper if you just buy the Aur and then buy them with Aur. Second Example: you can buy 100,000 Aur or you can buy the Merc Pack that comes with 100,000 Aur plus dropsuits and other schwag for the same price.
Nobody has to buy the Aur on it's own for them to make money, the added stuff to the merc pack costs them absolutely nothing more to tack on, and it makes people think they are getting a great deal.
"Why would I invest $100 dollars into the game? Well the stuff isn't even that great, but it costs just as much as 200,000. This is totally a steal." *hands over money for 1's and 0's*
Just by being there is makes the merc packs more enticing. |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
82
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Posted - 2013.07.03 12:39:00 -
[76] - Quote
CCP Frame wrote:I still remember C&C Renegade and endless hours I spent playing it in multiplayer with my friends... Start at 20:00 finish at 6:00 the next day. Protecting the harvester all day long with my sniper!
Odd. I was under the impression that most classic CnC gamers viewed CnC:Renegade as being the beginning of the end of the Command and Conquer franchise. At least the "good" days of it.
What I remember is hours upon hours of excitement filled matches....... in CnC Tiberium Sun, and in CnC Red Alert 2. Even managed a bit of fun with the first Generals when it was released until the horrible instability killed the fun for me. Renegade, however, was total garbage..... imho |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
130
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Posted - 2013.07.03 12:47:00 -
[77] - Quote
General Technique wrote:CCP Frame wrote:I still remember C&C Renegade and endless hours I spent playing it in multiplayer with my friends... Start at 20:00 finish at 6:00 the next day. Protecting the harvester all day long with my sniper! Odd. I was under the impression that most classic CnC gamers viewed CnC:Renegade as being the beginning of the end of the Command and Conquer franchise. At least the "good" days of it. What I remember is hours upon hours of excitement filled matches....... in CnC Tiberium Sun, and in CnC Red Alert 2. Even managed a bit of fun with the first Generals when it was released until the horrible instability killed the fun for me. Renegade, however, was total garbage..... imho
Have you even check this link yet ? ;
http://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,11359/
It looks like you have a personal vendetta going on .... |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
410
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Posted - 2013.07.03 12:48:00 -
[78] - Quote
It's amazing how many don't grasp the word "CORPORATION" in a game where they can create corporations. lol
Sony. microsoft, activision, capcom, EA, ext they are all corps. I'm sure some of you boy cut them all eh? happy with the indie crap huh?
I play what I like. from whatever corp. COD World at War was my last COD game, cause I felt for nothing what came after words. same with madden 2010. (being my last madden) I'm still looking forward to lost planet 3. enjoyed dragons dogma. I did like dead space 3 as a action game, cause no way it's a horror. And am I not getting BF4? hahaha.. seriously? (hell yes I'm getting it)
You play what you like. |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
82
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Posted - 2013.07.03 12:56:00 -
[79] - Quote
Banning Hammer wrote:General Technique wrote:What are you trying to say here? For instance: Did you just try to give that EA spawn credit for Battlefield 2's creation/development/success? Seriously? The same Battlefield 2 that began development before EA even purchased Dice (read: Dice sold out)? The same Battlefield 2 that was ACTUALLY inspired by the mod "Desert Combat" and was in-part developed by said mod team's first dev studio, Trauma Studios? Please tell me that I don't no more than you do about the games on his so-called "Games Credited" list and how little his existence had on the creation and success of a number of them. Please. Prejudging the guy? BS.... Your problem has nothing to do with the guy being prejudged, because I've done no such thing. Your issue is with my implications (read: not prejudging) of what said EA spawn's presence as CCP will result in. By the way, nice thread title hijack. Spent all night at work wondering what the freak happened to my thread. Every online shooter developer that I've ever encountered.... EVER..... has always had everything figured out enough to know they were right about anything I felt they were doing wrong. Until they either begrudgingly (often half-assedly) admit fault or were promoted to the position of "former dev of a now defunct game development branch/company" (often taking their position to the dev graveyard with them) I think the "Point" is, that he have experience with well known AAA games. CCP have lots to gain, and nothing to loose. It have nothing to do with EA in particular, as you trying to make it sound ...
Would you like clarification on exactly what his "experience" is with a number of those AAA games? Well, I'll put it like this.......
You know how, sometimes, when a high-profile game is released and it's riddled with bugs and server crashes? Well, you know how sometimes, the devs for those games end up catching a lot of hell over those quality issues and even sometimes end up closed (the dev studio) within a year of the game releasing? Well, you know how those devs sometimes say that the publishers pressured them, rushed them, underfunded them, and/or screwed them over on the quality assurance front? (publishers often take control of QA away from dev studios)
Well, there's always this one guy that works for the publisher, and he's pretty much the publisher's appointed "overseer" for that development branch or for that specific development project/game. In other words, he's "the man" that breaths down the necks of the developers.
^That is who Sean Decker was at EA. He's THAT guy. Up until they promoted him to head the free-to-play division of EA, globally...... apparently, that promotion didn't turn out well for whatever reason (underpayed? underperformed? under the microscope and having to stand on his own laurels? who knows....) |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
82
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Posted - 2013.07.03 13:05:00 -
[80] - Quote
Surt gods end wrote:It's amazing how many don't grasp the word "CORPORATION" in a game where they can create corporations. lol
Sony. microsoft, activision, capcom, EA, ext they are all corps. I'm sure some of you boy cut them all eh? happy with the indie crap huh?
I play what I like. from whatever corp. COD World at War was my last COD game, cause I felt for nothing what came after words. same with madden 2010. (being my last madden) I'm still looking forward to lost planet 3. enjoyed dragons dogma. I did like dead space 3 as a action game, cause no way it's a horror. And am I not getting BF4? hahaha.. seriously? (hell yes I'm getting it)
You play what you like.
I've only taken issue with EA in my OP. The rest is inaccurate assumption on your part.
I have no qualms against Sony, $soft, Activision or Capcom(they make like 0 games that I'm interested in, so how could I)
My issues with EA are well-earned and well-deserved.
I was gaming and fanboying EA titles long before the mainstream gaming community knew who they were, and even before most of you young ones were born. My first madden game came on floppy and was played on my Apple II I spent most of my first six years as a madden fanboy having to first explain to my friends that Sega Genisis didn't suck and wouldn't give them herpes, before I could even began to convince them to give madden a try.
If you'd have ask me to predict EA's future back then, I'd have never guessed it would turn out like this. not in my wildest nightmares. Not until after they pulled that crap in 1997 when the first Gameday dropped (right upside their heads).......... it's been downhill (integrity/sincerity-wise) since then. |
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Michael Arck
sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.07.03 13:27:00 -
[81] - Quote
If you have been gaming with EA that long, then you would know that there's no such thing as fanboying. Yea I've known bout EA since the days of their unusually longer Genesis cartridges with yellow tabs. Yet and still, I believe the rant that you are now proceeding to has no place here. |
Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
411
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Posted - 2013.07.03 13:41:00 -
[82] - Quote
General Technique wrote:Surt gods end wrote:It's amazing how many don't grasp the word "CORPORATION" in a game where they can create corporations. lol
Sony. microsoft, activision, capcom, EA, ext they are all corps. I'm sure some of you boy cut them all eh? happy with the indie crap huh?
I play what I like. from whatever corp. COD World at War was my last COD game, cause I felt for nothing what came after words. same with madden 2010. (being my last madden) I'm still looking forward to lost planet 3. enjoyed dragons dogma. I did like dead space 3 as a action game, cause no way it's a horror. And am I not getting BF4? hahaha.. seriously? (hell yes I'm getting it)
You play what you like. I've only taken issue with EA in my OP. The rest is inaccurate assumption on your part. I have no qualms against Sony, $soft, Activision or Capcom(they make like 0 games that I'm interested in, so how could I) My issues with EA are well-earned and well-deserved. I was gaming and fanboying EA titles long before the mainstream gaming community knew who they were, and even before most of you young ones were born. My first madden game came on floppy and was played on my Apple II I spent most of my first six years as a madden fanboy having to first explain to my friends that Sega Genisis didn't suck and wouldn't give them herpes, before I could even began to convince them to give madden a try. If you'd have ask me to predict EA's future back then, I'd have never guessed it would turn out like this. not in my wildest nightmares. Not until after they pulled that crap in 1997 when the first Gameday dropped (right upside their heads).......... it's been downhill (integrity/sincerity-wise) since then. -It would take more than COD's shamelessly casual/accessibilitardy direction to make me hate on Activision. -In all my years of gaming with $soft software/hardware/games, I've never developed any beef with them as a company (though the hacking epidemic in Halo2 brought me close to doing so) -Sony does a lot of underhanded crap, and in many ways they mimic EA. However, they pale in direct comparison to EA's villainy. Also, Sony knows how to reach out to core demographics in a good way from time to time (MAG, Warhawk/Starhawk, Killzone2, the early SOCOMs, planetside1/2, etc.. etc..). They know how to do more than just "acquire success". They still bring innovation to the gaming industry, regardless of the risks that comes with doing so. -Why would one even mention Capcom in the same sentence as those four?
Just for the amount of flak capcom gets. (or crapcom, by the dishearten) |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
82
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Posted - 2013.07.03 13:42:00 -
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.....and then there's this:
....so yeah, for anyone who's missed it, let me lay it out for you.
CCP has put this guy directly in charge of deciding what goes into the next Dust updates. Starting with 1.3
Thoughts? |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
78
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Posted - 2013.07.03 13:49:00 -
[84] - Quote
People are always complaining that CCP has little/no experience developing FPSs.
Well, now they have someone who does.
Let's at least give him a chance, and wait and see what he does here, for this company. |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
82
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Posted - 2013.07.03 13:54:00 -
[85] - Quote
Jaqen Morghalis wrote:People are always complaining that CCP has little/no experience developing FPSs.
Well, now they have someone who does.
Let's at least give him a chance, and wait and see what he does here, for this company.
Can we have someone, who knows what the flop they're talking about, come into this thread and post of list of all the FPSes that he actually physically took part in developing?
I'd actually like to know, for future reference. |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
78
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Posted - 2013.07.03 14:33:00 -
[86] - Quote
General Technique wrote:Jaqen Morghalis wrote:People are always complaining that CCP has little/no experience developing FPSs.
Well, now they have someone who does.
Let's at least give him a chance, and wait and see what he does here, for this company. Can we have someone, who knows what the flop they're talking about, come into this thread and post a list of all the FPSes that he actually physically took part in developing? I'd actually like to know, for future reference.
I'm making the assumption that he does, based upon his tenure at EA and the fact that they do develop some FPSs.
I've edited my previous post accordingly, though. |
Sona Nara
DUST University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.07.03 15:23:00 -
[87] - Quote
God people like to whine a lot!
I don't understand how Decker is being cast as the person responsible for every flaw in every game released by EA in the past 800 years. EA is a massive company and 10s of thousands of people affect the outcomes of those games. How about we don't jump to conclusions and see what impact he has on DUST and EVE?
Personally I like to think that Decker left EA as he wanted a nicer paced company to work with. He found that with CCP and Decker's experience of beg FPS development will fuse well with CCP's style of development. Hopefulyl we'll have more communication from CCP and we have another person with the job of listening to our feedback and working out how to implement it into DUST. |
Bigglesworth McQueen
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
146
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Posted - 2013.07.03 15:26:00 -
[88] - Quote
Sona Nara wrote:God people like to whine a lot!
I don't understand how Decker is being cast as the person responsible for every flaw in every game released by EA in the past 800 years. EA is a massive company and 10s of thousands of people affect the outcomes of those games. How about we don't jump to conclusions and see what impact he has on DUST and EVE?
Personally I like to think that Decker left EA as he wanted a nicer paced company to work with. He found that with CCP and Decker's experience of big FPS development will fuse well with CCP's style of development. Hopefulyl we'll have more communication from CCP and we have another person with the job of listening to our feedback and working out how to implement the best parts into DUST.
I don't think it's the FPS experience people are worried about. It's the in game marketing for **** we don't want or need.
We already have AUR adverts, they are adequate enough. I don't need asking if I want to buy Crysis 3 every 15 minutes.
*Crysis 3 was used as an example* |
Sona Nara
DUST University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.07.03 15:47:00 -
[89] - Quote
Bigglesworth McQueen wrote: I don't think it's the FPS experience people are worried about. It's the in game marketing for **** we don't want or need.
We already have AUR adverts, they are adequate enough. I don't need asking if I want to buy Crysis 3 every 15 minutes.
*Crysis 3 was used as an example*
I see what you mean but I still think people are getting over hyped. Decker is not going to be dictating CCP policy, it will be CCP dictating Decker's goals. He also left EA for a reason.
Let's wait and see how things turn out before jumping to the conclusion DUST will turn fall apart in a heap of badly aimed micro transactions and adds. I think a new focus on Product Development will be great! |
Bigglesworth McQueen
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
146
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Posted - 2013.07.03 15:51:00 -
[90] - Quote
Sona Nara wrote:Bigglesworth McQueen wrote: I don't think it's the FPS experience people are worried about. It's the in game marketing for **** we don't want or need.
We already have AUR adverts, they are adequate enough. I don't need asking if I want to buy Crysis 3 every 15 minutes.
*Crysis 3 was used as an example*
I see what you mean but I still think people are getting over hyped. Decker is not going to be dictating CCP policy, it will be CCP dictating Decker's goals. He also left EA for a reason. Let's wait and see how things turn out before jumping to the conclusion DUST will turn fall apart in a heap of badly aimed micro transactions and adds. I think a new focus on Product Development will be great!
I'm willing to wait, but I have a sinking feeling that 1.3 will be the final straw for most. |
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BARDAS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
28
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Posted - 2013.07.03 15:55:00 -
[91] - Quote
General Technique wrote:.....and then there's this: ....so yeah, for anyone who's missed it, let me lay it out for you. CCP has put this guy directly in charge of deciding what goes into the next Dust updates. Starting with 1.3 Thoughts?
I'm hoping that the guy left EA because he didn't fit in with the scumbags that run the place over there. Absolutely disgusted with how EA runs their business and what they do to the companies that they publish for... especially for what they did to Bioware. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1888
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Posted - 2013.07.03 16:00:00 -
[92] - Quote
That explains it |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
204
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Posted - 2013.07.03 19:34:00 -
[93] - Quote
General Technique wrote:
Would you like clarification on exactly what his "experience" is with a number of those AAA games? Well, I'll put it like this.......
You know how, sometimes, when a high-profile game is released and it's riddled with bugs and server crashes? Well, you know how sometimes, the devs for those games end up catching a lot of hell over those quality issues and even sometimes end up closed (the dev studio) within a year of the game releasing? Well, you know how those devs sometimes say that the publishers pressured them, rushed them, underfunded them, and/or screwed them over on the quality assurance front? (publishers often take control of QA away from dev studios)
Well, there's always this one guy that works for the publisher, and he's pretty much the publisher's appointed "overseer" for that development branch or for that specific development project/game. In other words, he's "the man" that breaths down the necks of the developers.
^That is who Sean Decker was at EA. He's THAT guy. Up until they promoted him to head the free-to-play division of EA, globally...... Apparently, that promotion didn't turn out well for whatever reason (underpayed? underperformed? under the microscope and having to stand on his own laurels? who knows....)
THIS. GG /Thread |
Deadeye Dic
Internal Error.
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BARDAS wrote:Deadeye Dic wrote:EA doesn't publish bad games Just a few from recent memory.
- Dragon Age 2
- Sim City 5
- Fuse
- Star Wars The Old Republic
- Ending for Mass Effect 3
- Ninja Reflex (Wii)
- FIFA 13
- Dead Space 3 (lost the feeling of the original - plus microtransactions in a single player game...)
- Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes
- EVERY SINGLE iOS/ANDROID MONEY GRAB GAME THEY MAKE
You're dislike of those games don't make them bad games. I for one liked:
DA2 SWTOR ME3
I also liked:
All the BF Games Madden (Pretty much all of them) The Sims, 1-3 The Need for Speed Series The C&C Series 007: The World is Not Enough 688 Sub Attack Alone in the Dark 2 The Bejeweled Series (Even though it started off as PopCap published internet games) Boulder Dash The Burnout Series Crysis 1-3 Dead Space Delta Force Series DA1 The Godfather 1-2 Most of the Jane's Combat game series The Older MoH games (WW2 setting games) NCAA Football Tiger Woods Golf PGA Golf (Before Tiger Woods) Rock Band 1-3 SimCity 4 + Rush Hour Skate or Die (Only us old people will remember that game, made in the late 80's) Spore Test Drive System Shock Syndicate Ultima Online (Arguably the best game ever made) Wing Commander
Not all of these games are recent, but they were all good in their own right and each has always had a following of die hard fans. Regardless, individual opinions, Meta scores, and IGN reviews do not make a game good or bad nor does it make a publisher or developer a good or bad one. Some could argue that CCP doesn't know how to makes games, but they do have a successful game in EvE Online and while Dust isn't wildly great, it does have a following and CCP is working to make better games.
Every body has their own opinion of games and publishers. I don't care for Microsoft Studios, but they did publish one of the most liked games of all times, Halo. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.04 04:56:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:.... I don't get the EA they make some of the most awsome games on the market and omg they charge u for more content shock and gasp the only issue I have with EA was the interference in how studios opperate. But that guy got the boot apprenty and now every one can develop with minimal interference.
Really steam and Activision are just as bad. But those two have godly pr teams. And the internet has a massive blind spot in regards to steam which is annoying at times
I am not an insider, so I may be wrong. But I think EA is a publisher who pushes developer houses that it owns to crank out inferior product, so that EA can market the c rap out of it and oversell it. Worse yet they buy developers with a good established reputation and brand names that embody quality and then w hores them out till they cant walk upright anymore. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.04 05:09:00 -
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Deadeye Dic wrote:BARDAS wrote:Deadeye Dic wrote:EA doesn't publish bad games Just a few from recent memory.
- Dragon Age 2
- Sim City 5
- Fuse
- Star Wars The Old Republic
- Ending for Mass Effect 3
- Ninja Reflex (Wii)
- FIFA 13
- Dead Space 3 (lost the feeling of the original - plus microtransactions in a single player game...)
- Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes
- EVERY SINGLE iOS/ANDROID MONEY GRAB GAME THEY MAKE
You're dislike of those games don't make them bad games. I for one liked: DA2 SWTOR ME3 I also liked: All the BF Games Madden (Pretty much all of them) The Sims, 1-3 The Need for Speed Series The C&C Series 007: The World is Not Enough 688 Sub Attack Alone in the Dark 2 The Bejeweled Series (Even though it started off as PopCap published internet games) Boulder Dash The Burnout Series Crysis 1-3 Dead Space Delta Force Series DA1 The Godfather 1-2 Most of the Jane's Combat game series The Older MoH games (WW2 setting games) NCAA Football Tiger Woods Golf PGA Golf (Before Tiger Woods) Rock Band 1-3 SimCity 4 + Rush Hour Skate or Die (Only us old people will remember that game, made in the late 80's) Spore Test Drive System Shock Syndicate Ultima Online (Arguably the best game ever made) Wing Commander Not all of these games are recent, but they were all good in their own right and each has always had a following of die hard fans. Regardless, individual opinions, Meta scores, and IGN reviews do not make a game good or bad nor does it make a publisher or developer a good or bad one. Some could argue that CCP doesn't know how to makes games, but they do have a successful game in EvE Online and while Dust isn't wildly great, it does have a following and CCP is working to make better games. Every body has their own opinion of games and publishers. I don't care for Microsoft Studios, but they did publish one of the most liked games of all times, Halo.
half of the games that you listed are ancient. A generation of ppl has matured and entered the workforce since some of them were released. EA today is not the same company that released Syndicate -- that must have been 20 years ago. I am not saying that this completely invalidates your list but I am just saying that the old games you mention should probably be kept out of the discussion.
There are some objective metrics too (I am happy to discuss them with anyone interested). You liked DA2 - fine who am I to say that you are wrong but it's plain to see that it was a rushed, cheaper sequel of DA:O with emphasis on making money and product quality left the background. I mean what a surprise: the old bioware spends ?5-6 years making DA:O that has mind boggling story, complexity, branching, voice acting etc. Then they get bought by EA. What do you know, a couple of years down the road a half baked sequel rolls out that has "rushed' stamped on each side of it. Good job EA. It really takes an expert to bastardize things the way you do.
I used to worship bioware. Now I wont come within a nuclear blast radius of them. All thanks to the loving EA touch. |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.04 06:17:00 -
[97] - Quote
Deadeye Dic wrote:BARDAS wrote:Deadeye Dic wrote:EA doesn't publish bad games Just a few from recent memory.
- Dragon Age 2
- Sim City 5
- Fuse
- Star Wars The Old Republic
- Ending for Mass Effect 3
- Ninja Reflex (Wii)
- FIFA 13
- Dead Space 3 (lost the feeling of the original - plus microtransactions in a single player game...)
- Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes
- EVERY SINGLE iOS/ANDROID MONEY GRAB GAME THEY MAKE
You're dislike of those games don't make them bad games. I for one liked: DA2 SWTOR ME3 ... Every body has their own opinion of games and publishers. I don't care for Microsoft Studios, but they did publish one of the most liked games of all times, Wing Commander.
You MUST be trolling if not, someone revoke this guy's gaming licence, its mindboggeling that ANYONE would like those games... unless you are EA's target audience, which is blantant idiots and the ones who helped this industry become the pusulent fetid saprolific swamp it is today, seriously just remove yourself from the presinct.
Also I edited your last statement, HALO con go and die in a fire while getting bathed with battery acid. |
meri jin
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.07.04 06:22:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote: half of the games that you listed are ancient. A generation of ppl has matured and entered the workforce since some of them were released. EA today is not the same company that released Syndicate -- that must have been 20 years ago. I am not saying that this completely invalidates your list but I am just saying that the old games you mention should probably be kept out of the discussion.
There are some objective metrics too (I am happy to discuss them with anyone interested). You liked DA2 - fine who am I to say that you are wrong but it's plain to see that it was a rushed, cheaper sequel of DA:O with emphasis on making money and product quality left the background. I mean what a surprise: the old bioware spends ?5-6 years making DA:O that has mind boggling story, complexity, branching, voice acting etc. Then they get bought by EA. What do you know, a couple of years down the road a half baked sequel rolls out that has "rushed' stamped on each side of it. Good job EA. It really takes an expert to bastardize things the way you do.
I used to worship bioware. Now I wont come within a nuclear blast radius of them. All thanks to the loving EA touch.
I used to be a sucker for Bioware, and I loved every single game, starting with Baldurs Gate. After EA I liked the company less and less with every game, like I told it here. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
718
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:01:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:If you have been gaming with EA that long, then you would know that there's no such thing as fanboying. Yea I've known bout EA since the days of their unusually longer Genesis cartridges with yellow tabs. Yet and still, I believe the rant that you are now proceeding to has no place here.
Remember their first NHL game on the Genesis? I would play that just to start fights |
Ceerix MKII
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:46:00 -
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I doubt that Decker went into work every day when he was at EA thinking of ways to kill games, and take the fun out of them. He works for a business that has an end goal of making money. Making money means that he needs to make decisions to keep a game on a time line to remain competitive in a overpopulated industry.
Him joining CCP doesn't give him free reign to change values that CCP as a company holds at its core. But at the same time when push comes to shove business is going to win over a product that would lose money. All the players can hope for is his experience in the industry helps bring a product that is fun to play and at the same time CCP doesn't start only seeing green and start making products of the same bland style for the purpose of making a quick buck.
Or if he brings Socksfor's name change he can hold his head up high knowing he did the right thing. |
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Exardor
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:00:00 -
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Whoa... all this EA hate. Magnificent.
But - be fair. Let him start working, Okay? When he did something bad, you can still crucify him. Deal? |
steadyhand amarr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
752
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:00:00 -
[102] - Quote
To day I learnd the internet is very selective in what information thry pay attention too. Follow the hive mind like rabbits and never thought about the fact the guy might be jumping ship so he can work free from EA goals. Still also what the hell is up with hating stuff is popular it's like most of you never left collage.
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meri jin
Goonfeet
65
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:04:00 -
[103] - Quote
steadyhand amarr wrote:To day I learnd the internet is very selective in what information thry pay attention too. Follow the hive mind like rabbits and never thought about the fact the guy might be jumping ship so he can work free from EA goals. Still also what the hell is up with hating stuff is popular it's like most of you never left collage.
We don't know that, he never told us, in fact, never speak a single word to us. |
Bigglesworth McQueen
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:06:00 -
[104] - Quote
meri jin wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:To day I learnd the internet is very selective in what information thry pay attention too. Follow the hive mind like rabbits and never thought about the fact the guy might be jumping ship so he can work free from EA goals. Still also what the hell is up with hating stuff is popular it's like most of you never left collage.
We don't know that, he never told us, in fact, never speak a single word to us.
He should announce to the users (us) that he's leaving his dumbf*ckery with EA, and all is well. |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2013.07.04 12:09:00 -
[105] - Quote
Ludvig Enraga wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:.... I don't get the EA they make some of the most awsome games on the market and omg they charge u for more content shock and gasp the only issue I have with EA was the interference in how studios opperate. But that guy got the boot apprenty and now every one can develop with minimal interference.
Really steam and Activision are just as bad. But those two have godly pr teams. And the internet has a massive blind spot in regards to steam which is annoying at times I am not an insider, so I may be wrong. But I think EA is a publisher who pushes developer houses that it owns to crank out inferior product, so that EA can market the c rap out of it and oversell it. Worse yet they buy developers with a good established reputation and brand names that embody quality and then w hores them out till they cant walk upright anymore.
In the immortally hilarious words of one of my coworkers, "DAMN! That guy told it like it is. bwahaha!" |
steadyhand amarr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
754
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Posted - 2013.07.04 12:51:00 -
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My friends paint a diffrent pic of Ea that said apprenty the older guys admit it used to be **** but it got a lot better in order to retain the talent |
Jason Punk
DUST University Ivy League
146
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Posted - 2013.07.04 16:16:00 -
[107] - Quote
meri jin wrote:I to have avoided spending money on EA products for couple of years now, the only one I granted myself was BF3. EA is for me the very worst company out there in the business. They incarnated for me the worst of the worst, money-grubbing is all that matter, the goal is not to make a god product; the goal is to milk as much money from the customers as possible. There is a difference between profit and milking. Disproportionate micro transaction, DLCs, the lovely online passes, DRM, always online, Origins (remember that they scanned your PC, your FULL PC(!) and you even have to agree with it, in order to use this "service". Exempt DICE, nothing god comes from this company. They destroyed the vision of my two most favored Doctors at Bio Ware, ****** up Mass Effect, ****** up Stars Wars Online, ****** up SimCity and boy, donGÇÖt get me even started what I hate else, I would hit the character limit GǪ In general I hate companies how need to sell multiple millions of games in order to be successful, it shows me that they become way to big and losing way too much money in game irrelevant things. Please read this: http://www.destructoid.com/used-games-and-aaa-games-are-incompatible-good--256227.phtmlBut one last thing, do you remember when EA stepped up and say: GÇ£we will cancel the online passesGÇ¥? Yes? Well guess what, they did it because they were hoping to get this money from you thorough the Xbone, now that Microsoft GÇ£listen to the feedbackGÇ¥ and removed the old policies all we need to do is wait until EA find another word for online pass to milk once again the costumer. And now we have a Senior Vice Prsesidnt Product Development guy from EA. Well boys and grils, get ready to pay $$ for SP, $$ for color patterns, $$ for planets in Dust, $$ for "Map DLCs", $$ for everything that should be allready in the game. WAIT!! Now everyting makes sence, guys if you like to use the gallente heavy, all you need to do is pay for it!
grow up
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General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.05 12:06:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:My friends paint a diffrent pic of Ea that said apprenty the older guys admit it used to be **** but it got a lot better in order to retain the talent
"older guys"? really? |
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