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BARDAS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.03 15:55:00 -
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General Technique wrote:.....and then there's this: ....so yeah, for anyone who's missed it, let me lay it out for you. CCP has put this guy directly in charge of deciding what goes into the next Dust updates. Starting with 1.3 Thoughts?
I'm hoping that the guy left EA because he didn't fit in with the scumbags that run the place over there. Absolutely disgusted with how EA runs their business and what they do to the companies that they publish for... especially for what they did to Bioware. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2013.07.03 16:00:00 -
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That explains it |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.03 19:34:00 -
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General Technique wrote:
Would you like clarification on exactly what his "experience" is with a number of those AAA games? Well, I'll put it like this.......
You know how, sometimes, when a high-profile game is released and it's riddled with bugs and server crashes? Well, you know how sometimes, the devs for those games end up catching a lot of hell over those quality issues and even sometimes end up closed (the dev studio) within a year of the game releasing? Well, you know how those devs sometimes say that the publishers pressured them, rushed them, underfunded them, and/or screwed them over on the quality assurance front? (publishers often take control of QA away from dev studios)
Well, there's always this one guy that works for the publisher, and he's pretty much the publisher's appointed "overseer" for that development branch or for that specific development project/game. In other words, he's "the man" that breaths down the necks of the developers.
^That is who Sean Decker was at EA. He's THAT guy. Up until they promoted him to head the free-to-play division of EA, globally...... Apparently, that promotion didn't turn out well for whatever reason (underpayed? underperformed? under the microscope and having to stand on his own laurels? who knows....)
THIS. GG /Thread |
Deadeye Dic
Internal Error.
151
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Posted - 2013.07.04 01:54:00 -
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BARDAS wrote:Deadeye Dic wrote:EA doesn't publish bad games Just a few from recent memory.
- Dragon Age 2
- Sim City 5
- Fuse
- Star Wars The Old Republic
- Ending for Mass Effect 3
- Ninja Reflex (Wii)
- FIFA 13
- Dead Space 3 (lost the feeling of the original - plus microtransactions in a single player game...)
- Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes
- EVERY SINGLE iOS/ANDROID MONEY GRAB GAME THEY MAKE
You're dislike of those games don't make them bad games. I for one liked:
DA2 SWTOR ME3
I also liked:
All the BF Games Madden (Pretty much all of them) The Sims, 1-3 The Need for Speed Series The C&C Series 007: The World is Not Enough 688 Sub Attack Alone in the Dark 2 The Bejeweled Series (Even though it started off as PopCap published internet games) Boulder Dash The Burnout Series Crysis 1-3 Dead Space Delta Force Series DA1 The Godfather 1-2 Most of the Jane's Combat game series The Older MoH games (WW2 setting games) NCAA Football Tiger Woods Golf PGA Golf (Before Tiger Woods) Rock Band 1-3 SimCity 4 + Rush Hour Skate or Die (Only us old people will remember that game, made in the late 80's) Spore Test Drive System Shock Syndicate Ultima Online (Arguably the best game ever made) Wing Commander
Not all of these games are recent, but they were all good in their own right and each has always had a following of die hard fans. Regardless, individual opinions, Meta scores, and IGN reviews do not make a game good or bad nor does it make a publisher or developer a good or bad one. Some could argue that CCP doesn't know how to makes games, but they do have a successful game in EvE Online and while Dust isn't wildly great, it does have a following and CCP is working to make better games.
Every body has their own opinion of games and publishers. I don't care for Microsoft Studios, but they did publish one of the most liked games of all times, Halo. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
281
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Posted - 2013.07.04 04:56:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:.... I don't get the EA they make some of the most awsome games on the market and omg they charge u for more content shock and gasp the only issue I have with EA was the interference in how studios opperate. But that guy got the boot apprenty and now every one can develop with minimal interference.
Really steam and Activision are just as bad. But those two have godly pr teams. And the internet has a massive blind spot in regards to steam which is annoying at times
I am not an insider, so I may be wrong. But I think EA is a publisher who pushes developer houses that it owns to crank out inferior product, so that EA can market the c rap out of it and oversell it. Worse yet they buy developers with a good established reputation and brand names that embody quality and then w hores them out till they cant walk upright anymore. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
281
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Posted - 2013.07.04 05:09:00 -
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Deadeye Dic wrote:BARDAS wrote:Deadeye Dic wrote:EA doesn't publish bad games Just a few from recent memory.
- Dragon Age 2
- Sim City 5
- Fuse
- Star Wars The Old Republic
- Ending for Mass Effect 3
- Ninja Reflex (Wii)
- FIFA 13
- Dead Space 3 (lost the feeling of the original - plus microtransactions in a single player game...)
- Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes
- EVERY SINGLE iOS/ANDROID MONEY GRAB GAME THEY MAKE
You're dislike of those games don't make them bad games. I for one liked: DA2 SWTOR ME3 I also liked: All the BF Games Madden (Pretty much all of them) The Sims, 1-3 The Need for Speed Series The C&C Series 007: The World is Not Enough 688 Sub Attack Alone in the Dark 2 The Bejeweled Series (Even though it started off as PopCap published internet games) Boulder Dash The Burnout Series Crysis 1-3 Dead Space Delta Force Series DA1 The Godfather 1-2 Most of the Jane's Combat game series The Older MoH games (WW2 setting games) NCAA Football Tiger Woods Golf PGA Golf (Before Tiger Woods) Rock Band 1-3 SimCity 4 + Rush Hour Skate or Die (Only us old people will remember that game, made in the late 80's) Spore Test Drive System Shock Syndicate Ultima Online (Arguably the best game ever made) Wing Commander Not all of these games are recent, but they were all good in their own right and each has always had a following of die hard fans. Regardless, individual opinions, Meta scores, and IGN reviews do not make a game good or bad nor does it make a publisher or developer a good or bad one. Some could argue that CCP doesn't know how to makes games, but they do have a successful game in EvE Online and while Dust isn't wildly great, it does have a following and CCP is working to make better games. Every body has their own opinion of games and publishers. I don't care for Microsoft Studios, but they did publish one of the most liked games of all times, Halo.
half of the games that you listed are ancient. A generation of ppl has matured and entered the workforce since some of them were released. EA today is not the same company that released Syndicate -- that must have been 20 years ago. I am not saying that this completely invalidates your list but I am just saying that the old games you mention should probably be kept out of the discussion.
There are some objective metrics too (I am happy to discuss them with anyone interested). You liked DA2 - fine who am I to say that you are wrong but it's plain to see that it was a rushed, cheaper sequel of DA:O with emphasis on making money and product quality left the background. I mean what a surprise: the old bioware spends ?5-6 years making DA:O that has mind boggling story, complexity, branching, voice acting etc. Then they get bought by EA. What do you know, a couple of years down the road a half baked sequel rolls out that has "rushed' stamped on each side of it. Good job EA. It really takes an expert to bastardize things the way you do.
I used to worship bioware. Now I wont come within a nuclear blast radius of them. All thanks to the loving EA touch. |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
204
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Posted - 2013.07.04 06:17:00 -
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Deadeye Dic wrote:BARDAS wrote:Deadeye Dic wrote:EA doesn't publish bad games Just a few from recent memory.
- Dragon Age 2
- Sim City 5
- Fuse
- Star Wars The Old Republic
- Ending for Mass Effect 3
- Ninja Reflex (Wii)
- FIFA 13
- Dead Space 3 (lost the feeling of the original - plus microtransactions in a single player game...)
- Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes
- EVERY SINGLE iOS/ANDROID MONEY GRAB GAME THEY MAKE
You're dislike of those games don't make them bad games. I for one liked: DA2 SWTOR ME3 ... Every body has their own opinion of games and publishers. I don't care for Microsoft Studios, but they did publish one of the most liked games of all times, Wing Commander.
You MUST be trolling if not, someone revoke this guy's gaming licence, its mindboggeling that ANYONE would like those games... unless you are EA's target audience, which is blantant idiots and the ones who helped this industry become the pusulent fetid saprolific swamp it is today, seriously just remove yourself from the presinct.
Also I edited your last statement, HALO con go and die in a fire while getting bathed with battery acid. |
meri jin
Goonfeet
65
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Posted - 2013.07.04 06:22:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote: half of the games that you listed are ancient. A generation of ppl has matured and entered the workforce since some of them were released. EA today is not the same company that released Syndicate -- that must have been 20 years ago. I am not saying that this completely invalidates your list but I am just saying that the old games you mention should probably be kept out of the discussion.
There are some objective metrics too (I am happy to discuss them with anyone interested). You liked DA2 - fine who am I to say that you are wrong but it's plain to see that it was a rushed, cheaper sequel of DA:O with emphasis on making money and product quality left the background. I mean what a surprise: the old bioware spends ?5-6 years making DA:O that has mind boggling story, complexity, branching, voice acting etc. Then they get bought by EA. What do you know, a couple of years down the road a half baked sequel rolls out that has "rushed' stamped on each side of it. Good job EA. It really takes an expert to bastardize things the way you do.
I used to worship bioware. Now I wont come within a nuclear blast radius of them. All thanks to the loving EA touch.
I used to be a sucker for Bioware, and I loved every single game, starting with Baldurs Gate. After EA I liked the company less and less with every game, like I told it here. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
718
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:01:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:If you have been gaming with EA that long, then you would know that there's no such thing as fanboying. Yea I've known bout EA since the days of their unusually longer Genesis cartridges with yellow tabs. Yet and still, I believe the rant that you are now proceeding to has no place here.
Remember their first NHL game on the Genesis? I would play that just to start fights |
Ceerix MKII
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.07.04 07:46:00 -
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I doubt that Decker went into work every day when he was at EA thinking of ways to kill games, and take the fun out of them. He works for a business that has an end goal of making money. Making money means that he needs to make decisions to keep a game on a time line to remain competitive in a overpopulated industry.
Him joining CCP doesn't give him free reign to change values that CCP as a company holds at its core. But at the same time when push comes to shove business is going to win over a product that would lose money. All the players can hope for is his experience in the industry helps bring a product that is fun to play and at the same time CCP doesn't start only seeing green and start making products of the same bland style for the purpose of making a quick buck.
Or if he brings Socksfor's name change he can hold his head up high knowing he did the right thing. |
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Exardor
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:00:00 -
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Whoa... all this EA hate. Magnificent.
But - be fair. Let him start working, Okay? When he did something bad, you can still crucify him. Deal? |
steadyhand amarr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
752
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:00:00 -
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To day I learnd the internet is very selective in what information thry pay attention too. Follow the hive mind like rabbits and never thought about the fact the guy might be jumping ship so he can work free from EA goals. Still also what the hell is up with hating stuff is popular it's like most of you never left collage.
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meri jin
Goonfeet
65
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:04:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:To day I learnd the internet is very selective in what information thry pay attention too. Follow the hive mind like rabbits and never thought about the fact the guy might be jumping ship so he can work free from EA goals. Still also what the hell is up with hating stuff is popular it's like most of you never left collage.
We don't know that, he never told us, in fact, never speak a single word to us. |
Bigglesworth McQueen
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
147
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Posted - 2013.07.04 08:06:00 -
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meri jin wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:To day I learnd the internet is very selective in what information thry pay attention too. Follow the hive mind like rabbits and never thought about the fact the guy might be jumping ship so he can work free from EA goals. Still also what the hell is up with hating stuff is popular it's like most of you never left collage.
We don't know that, he never told us, in fact, never speak a single word to us.
He should announce to the users (us) that he's leaving his dumbf*ckery with EA, and all is well. |
General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2013.07.04 12:09:00 -
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Ludvig Enraga wrote:steadyhand amarr wrote:.... I don't get the EA they make some of the most awsome games on the market and omg they charge u for more content shock and gasp the only issue I have with EA was the interference in how studios opperate. But that guy got the boot apprenty and now every one can develop with minimal interference.
Really steam and Activision are just as bad. But those two have godly pr teams. And the internet has a massive blind spot in regards to steam which is annoying at times I am not an insider, so I may be wrong. But I think EA is a publisher who pushes developer houses that it owns to crank out inferior product, so that EA can market the c rap out of it and oversell it. Worse yet they buy developers with a good established reputation and brand names that embody quality and then w hores them out till they cant walk upright anymore.
In the immortally hilarious words of one of my coworkers, "DAMN! That guy told it like it is. bwahaha!" |
steadyhand amarr
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
754
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Posted - 2013.07.04 12:51:00 -
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My friends paint a diffrent pic of Ea that said apprenty the older guys admit it used to be **** but it got a lot better in order to retain the talent |
Jason Punk
DUST University Ivy League
146
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Posted - 2013.07.04 16:16:00 -
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meri jin wrote:I to have avoided spending money on EA products for couple of years now, the only one I granted myself was BF3. EA is for me the very worst company out there in the business. They incarnated for me the worst of the worst, money-grubbing is all that matter, the goal is not to make a god product; the goal is to milk as much money from the customers as possible. There is a difference between profit and milking. Disproportionate micro transaction, DLCs, the lovely online passes, DRM, always online, Origins (remember that they scanned your PC, your FULL PC(!) and you even have to agree with it, in order to use this "service". Exempt DICE, nothing god comes from this company. They destroyed the vision of my two most favored Doctors at Bio Ware, ****** up Mass Effect, ****** up Stars Wars Online, ****** up SimCity and boy, donGÇÖt get me even started what I hate else, I would hit the character limit GǪ In general I hate companies how need to sell multiple millions of games in order to be successful, it shows me that they become way to big and losing way too much money in game irrelevant things. Please read this: http://www.destructoid.com/used-games-and-aaa-games-are-incompatible-good--256227.phtmlBut one last thing, do you remember when EA stepped up and say: GÇ£we will cancel the online passesGÇ¥? Yes? Well guess what, they did it because they were hoping to get this money from you thorough the Xbone, now that Microsoft GÇ£listen to the feedbackGÇ¥ and removed the old policies all we need to do is wait until EA find another word for online pass to milk once again the costumer. And now we have a Senior Vice Prsesidnt Product Development guy from EA. Well boys and grils, get ready to pay $$ for SP, $$ for color patterns, $$ for planets in Dust, $$ for "Map DLCs", $$ for everything that should be allready in the game. WAIT!! Now everyting makes sence, guys if you like to use the gallente heavy, all you need to do is pay for it!
grow up
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General Technique
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2013.07.05 12:06:00 -
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steadyhand amarr wrote:My friends paint a diffrent pic of Ea that said apprenty the older guys admit it used to be **** but it got a lot better in order to retain the talent
"older guys"? really? |
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