And 25 copies of some mlt fits I think everybody needs. Like a scout shotty, a forge gun, ect.

I've got an alt with 0 sp invested in dropsuit/weapons/dropsuit upgrades and i can kill people using advanced stuff just fine.

Newbies don't need more sp/isk.

They need a TRUE TUTORIAL, not those text walls, and a working matchmaking.

starting off with 500,000 SP and 250,000ISK is a horrbible way to keep noobs in the game. what can you do with 500,000 SP?


I suggest that CCP adjust:

1. the new player initial unallocated SP to 2.5 million SP (with that much initial SP even if you randomly wasted it it wuld eventually become useful for you),
2. initial ISK to 1.5 million ISK.
3. they should have no skill CAP while in the academy,
4. should be able to respec at will while in the academy.
5. once they reach 4 million SP, they then graduate the academy and are informed that they are no longer part of the academy and that there will be no respecs, there is a skill CAP, etc.


most players now have way over 7 million SP. the least amoung experiences players is 5 million SP. with 5 million SP, you can take on even the toughest proto bear, if your skills are in the right spot. giving new players the chance to repec while in academy at will will give them a taste for what they like.

starting off with 500,000 SP and 250,000ISK is a horrbible way to keep noobs in the game. what can you do with 500,000 SP?


I suggest that CCP adjust:

1. the new player initial unallocated SP to 2.5 million SP (with that much initial SP even if you randomly wasted it it wuld eventually become useful for you),
2. initial ISK to 1.5 million ISK.
3. they should have no skill CAP while in the academy,
4. should be able to respec at will while in the academy.
5. once they reach 4 million SP, they then graduate the academy and are informed that they are no longer part of the academy and that there will be no respecs, there is a skill CAP, etc.


most players now have way over 7 million SP. the least amoung experiences players is 5 million SP. with 5 million SP, you can take on even the toughest proto bear, if your skills are in the right spot. giving new players the chance to repec while in academy at will will give them a taste for what they like.

starting off with 500,000 SP and 250,000ISK is a horrbible way to keep noobs in the game. what can you do with 500,000 SP?


I suggest that CCP adjust:

1. the new player initial unallocated SP to 2.5 million SP (with that much initial SP even if you randomly wasted it it wuld eventually become useful for you),
2. initial ISK to 1.5 million ISK.
3. they should have no skill CAP while in the academy,
4. should be able to respec at will while in the academy.
5. once they reach 4 million SP, they then graduate the academy and are informed that they are no longer part of the academy and that there will be no respecs, there is a skill CAP, etc.


most players now have way over 7 million SP. the least amount experiences players is 5 million SP. with 5 million SP, you can take on even the toughest proto bear, if your skills are in the right spot. giving new players the chance to repec while in academy at will will give them a taste for what they like.

2.5 Million SP!?!?!?!?!? Well hell, why not 250 Million SP?!?!?!?!?!!?. And a NEW CAR!

An while we are giving out free stuff, how about BPOs of all Prototype items and vehicles.

You sound like someone running for a seat in the government. Free Cell Phones for Everyone!

We hate politicians, and we hate your free stuff.

(Just having fun)


On a side note.
However, I like your idea about extending the academy and offering unlimited respecs while in the academy.

Since you posted this in another thread and I replied there, I'll put my reply here as well.



Disagree on your numbers a bit (4 million SP before leaving the academy is ABSURDLY high, I would instead say 1m or 1.5m maximum). I also agree that 250,000 isk is too low. Even basic, and very critical skillbooks cost twice that. In fact I would suggest removing the ISK cost entirely for books that players should be getting right off the bat, specifically the first few skills in the weapons and dropsuit upgrades tree (not dropsuit command, players should be encouraged to use militia suits for awhile). Rather I think there should be a graduation bonus of SP and ISK upon leaving the academy. This way if you blow your skills early on worthless stuff you may have a second chance to put a batch of SP into something useful. Respecs during academy are a good idea, or maybe just one respec once you graduate. Lastly, 10,000 WP is too low, it should be like 30k or 50k. For those saying that we should feed noobs to the sharks, I would acknowledge that this is going to happen anyway, but extending the academy experience isn't intended to avoid the eaten-by-sharks experience. Its just that simply more time is needed to figure out the basics first. Also, FW should be closed to academy people, period.

Wow, 2.5 million SP seems like way too much. I would love to see a larger wp cap before graduating (and respecs would have been nice) but 4 million SP to graduate? You'll be in there forever! What Dust really needs is a good tutorial with a couple of mission based matches to teach important skills (like a mission where you can only shoot while manually aiming, or this mission is all about hacking: work with your team to hack so and so within a certain time, or you can't graduate until you've completed a mission where you squad up).

Also, most players have over 7 million? Where did you get that number? Am I still considered a noob then? SP=2,020,000, K/D Ratio= 1.11

Why all the new player babying? Hell no one was worried about us when we started way behind the closed beta players?

I am helping a friend get out of the academy and sometimes force him out of the academy so he can get a true taste of Dust.

The best thing to do for new players is to have tiered SP earnings. (Think triple SP week) Triple SP until the reach 3 mil, then double until 5 mil. with no weekly caps.. after 5 mil the settle into weekly caps and regular sp earnings. Also an optional respec after 5 mil.

i dnt want to call you a noob, because i have never playedin a squad with you, but by skill points yes you are. people playing since chromosome have bout 5million SP, i have almost 7million. and many people with tons of proto gear have way more than me. i dnt want noobs from the academy to be so disadvantaged that they can't win.


Remember SP does not represent player skill. you and your 2million SP my very well whip my ass one round. but, skill points exacerbate any deficiency or disparity in power. namely, to players of equal skill face off, but one has higher skill points will generally win due to increased stats.

i dnt want that gap to be so large that new players no matter how skilled can't take on punks in super gear. especially since most noobs aren't very skilled anyway

starting off with 500,000 SP and 250,000ISK is a horrbible way to keep noobs in the game. what can you do with 500,000 SP?


I suggest that CCP adjust:

1. the new player initial unallocated SP to 2.5 million SP (with that much initial SP even if you randomly wasted it it wuld eventually become useful for you),
2. initial ISK to 1.5 million ISK.
3. they should have no skill CAP while in the academy,
4. should be able to respec at will while in the academy.
5. once they reach 4 million SP, they then graduate the academy and are informed that they are no longer part of the academy and that there will be no respecs, there is a skill CAP, etc.


most players now have way over 7 million SP. the least amoung experiences players is 5 million SP. with 5 million SP, you can take on even the toughest proto bear, if your skills are in the right spot. giving new players the chance to repec while in academy at will will give them a taste for what they like.

Why all the new player babying? Hell no one was worried about us when we started way behind the closed beta players?

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize my post sounded kind of angry until I read your response (I should have put an emoticon or something) I was just surprised that 2 million- ish SP was still noobish. lol, that represents a couple months of hard work so I was kind of proud about that but now that I know some have 7 million I'm kind of bummed out. Also, most in my corp have a negative K/D ratio so I think that kind of went to my head. Sorry again.

most players now have way over 7 million SP. the least amoung experiences players is 5 million SP. with 5 million SP, you can take on even the toughest proto bear, if your skills are in the right spot. giving new players the chance to repec while in academy at will will give them a taste for what they like.

I Have 4.5 Mil SP and I Cant touch a Protobear, because I went for a generalized approach, I wanted to try every gun and find which one I wanted to use, so I Burned my SP.

Everything else is 110% correct.

Newberries Need to be able to Escape the Power of Proto Gear Fear (See? I Rhyme.)

The new player experience needs to be improved, for sure. But if they up the amount of starter SP players get they better give that same amount of ISK to everyone else to compensate.

You guys know what can really help the new player experience?

You. We don't need to wait for CCP to do anything. Recruit some newbros and take them in under your wing.

that makes sense but Improvement in skill doesn't allow players to gain the skill points they need to earn their own play style. Just because someone takes a new player under their wing doesn't mean they can go toe to toe with a prototype dropsuit equiped player with the strongest gear in the game. reality is that equipment in this game trumps skill, but team tactics to determine who is the victory in the match.

Never the less this is a hindrance for new players because they will feel less encouraged to keep playing when all other players are constantly growing beyond them even though they are getting skill points. Players will get turned off by the reality that skill isn't what will determine their kill death ratio. K/D ratio does not determine a better player but it does determine what kind of effective frontline soldier you play as. if you are failing in K/D than Logistics is another option. But not everyone should be forced to become a logistics players just because they don't have the gear to stand against prototype equipment.

The only solution to this problem is allowing players to earn this prototype equipment sooner because grinding in this game takes tremendous time. By allowing players to have a higher skill point starting, will allow players to be more encourage to try other skill sets and determine what they enjoy more.

Give us PvE

This will help new players by not 'requiring' them to grind PvP against the pubstompers.

Yeah well WP and SP aren't handed out only by going toe-to-toe with protosuits and winning. Take some militia suits and a drop uplink and go hit some skirmish matches.

Frankly, I think proto suits should stay good, and I think they're balanced against lower suits its most respects except for the massive HP certain proto suits can get (far more than std vs mlt or adv vs std).