DUST Search - Laser Rifles

Harkon Vysarii wrote:

Cenex Langly wrote:

Cass Barr wrote:

I think everyone knows the LR needs help. It needs a sight that works at range, and if its range really was reduced that badly it needs to be increased to TAR+20 or so. Maybe 10 since a TAR is also crap at short range now, too. Though it's still better than a LR

HAHAHAH This will never happen. Here is the precise reason why. When it was broken back in Chromosome and your buddies were getting 9.0 kdr with it, they abused the heck out of it. They abused the exploit so badly that it was nerfed hard. Real hard. It's completely useless now because of that abuse. Good luck seeing it buffed back up. There is "NO ONE" in the entire community that would ever want to see this gun insta-kill ever again. The only people that want it back are those that exploited it. Never-gonna-happen-again...

The only issue about the laser was how the viaziam was able to swipe kill players. the basic and ELM didn't do that reliably or often, Laser if needs it buff back, personally im fine with the current damage and heat build up. Its just the sights and glare that it gives off when it fires that means picking out and hitting targets is harder than it needs to be.

Its like the AR having a massive flash every time it fires where it obscures all of the screen in a fit inducing strobe light.

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Atlas Pillar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2013.06.29 12:57:00 - [1] - Quote Well, I used to run lasers as my main build in Chromosome, but after the nerf, I stayed back from them a bit. However, recently I started experimenting with them and while at first it was a pretty bad time, after some practice, I was using just fine. And since a lot of those Caldari Logi n00bs have never even seen a laser rifle before, it took them by surprise. The only issue I have with them now is that there is literally no difference damage wise between the STD and PRO laser rifles, making it not worth it to go proto. And a long-ish range precision weapon really should have the option for a dot scope or something along those lines. Are there any other laser bros out there or am I the only one left?
Rifter7 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 232	Posted - 2013.06.29 12:59:00 - [2] - Quote i tried dude, i really did. things crap.
Atlas Pillar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2013.06.29 13:01:00 - [3] - Quote Rifter7 wrote: i tried dude, i really did. things crap. I seem to be doing fine. Uses up a lot of ammo this build to get a kill, but ammo is free. How were you using it? Were you far off or trying to assault fools because assaulting with a laser does not beget wins.
Rifter7 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 232	Posted - 2013.06.29 13:03:00 - [4] - Quote dude i was pushing close to a 9 kdr with that thing in chrome. i know how to use it.
Atlas Pillar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 0	Posted - 2013.06.29 13:06:00 - [5] - Quote Rifter7 wrote: dude i was pushing close to a 9 kdr with that thing in chrome. i know how to use it. Well damn nevermind. That was better than I did. Well, I'm sticking with it, and if it ticks me off, I can always just use my HMG for a while to cool down. Don't worry, it'll be buffed eventually in some form.
Rifter7 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 232	Posted - 2013.06.29 13:08:00 - [6] - Quote cant see **** from sights and glow, overheat is lethal and tar's and scrambler rifles outrange it lol. its got an ar's range, i dont understand why they did that.. plus if you want to capitalize on its damage from reduced overheat and stack damage mods you have to use an amarr assault suit.. and its 3/3 with split tank. i dont.. anyways.
Cass Barr Red Star. EoN. 399	Posted - 2013.06.29 13:12:00 - [7] - Quote I think everyone knows the LR needs help. It needs a sight that works at range, and if its range really was reduced that badly it needs to be increased to TAR+20 or so. Maybe 10 since a TAR is also crap at short range now, too. Though it's still better than a LR
Atlas Pillar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2013.06.29 13:12:00 - [8] - Quote Rifter7 wrote: cant see **** from sights and glow, overheat is lethal and tar's and scrambler rifles outrange it lol. its got an ar's range, i dont understand why they did that.. plus if you want to capitalize on its damage from reduced overheat and stack damage mods you have to use an amarr assault suit.. and its 3/3 with split tank. i dont.. anyways. Skills, man, skills. I really don't agree with the iron sights, but as we all know CCP loves its sledghammers. Laser does freak out noobies, though. It's hilarious. But seriously, Lasers will have their day once again some day.
Azura Sakura Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 156	Posted - 2013.06.29 13:18:00 - [9] - Quote Rifter7 wrote: dude i was pushing close to a 9 kdr with that thing in chrome. i know how to use it. Weren't they OP back then?
Atlas Pillar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2013.06.29 13:22:00 - [10] - Quote Azura Sakura wrote: Rifter7 wrote: dude i was pushing close to a 9 kdr with that thing in chrome. i know how to use it. Weren't they OP back then? Only slightly. They needed a slight tweek in damage. (Viziam did about 19 and some odd decimal) But you know CCP. They sledghammered it. (PRO has same attack as STD? Seriously?) But they said they'd start focusing on balancing so maybe the LR will return to its former glory.

FIRST TESTDUMMY Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.29 13:29:00 - [11] - Quote When the respec came around with Uprising, I skilled straight into proto damage mods and the LR. I died a little inside when I realized that I was being out-ranged by ARs. In addition, the sights, damage, and overheating repercussions gave me hypertension. On May 25, I skilled right back into my HMG Heavy when I got my next respec. Now, I want another respec because it seems I keep making bad decisions... or rather, CCP keeps screwing things up for me.
Atlas Pillar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2013.06.29 13:34:00 - [12] - Quote FIRST TESTDUMMY wrote: When the respec came around with Uprising, I skilled straight into proto damage mods and the LR. I died a little inside when I realized that I was being out-ranged by ARs. In addition, the sights, damage, and overheating repercussions gave me hypertension. On May 25, I skilled right back into my HMG Heavy when I got my next respec. Now, I want another respec because it seems I keep making bad decisions... or rather, CCP keeps screwing things up for me. That's why you just don't get respecs. My main is mainly heavy and has been since the start of uprising, but I'll put skills into light and LR's because I've already got proto and don't care about sentinel. But really changes happen so often that it's not worth respeccing because the thing you thought was bad will be good again one day, and it'll be bad again after that. Everything in this game is on a cycle of nerf and buff and you just have to soldier through the changes. If everything you held dear in Chromosome took a huge nerf like me, well, I just had to HTFU and deal with it because things will change in my direction one day again.
TV Repair Guy DUST University Ivy League 32	Posted - 2013.06.30 10:11:00 - [13] - Quote I saw 1 guy with a laser rifle in 1 match this month.
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 358	Posted - 2013.06.30 10:18:00 - [14] - Quote Yup the lasers need the love they once had, damage on the current ones if fine but give us the tracking and old sights back
DumpsterJuice Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 25	Posted - 2013.06.30 10:29:00 - [15] - Quote Ahh, the laser rifle. Yet another of CCP's extreme nerfs, don't just give it a small tweak, drop it right into the basement until its completely useless, just like the HMG
Sibri Vannikh Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.06.30 10:30:00 - [16] - Quote I use the ELM with the Amarr Assault primarily and I-¦m not bad with it. I only get problems if I encounter a heavy. It really needs a range buff (100m+), a suited sight for this range and maybe a higher damage on the higher tiers (15-20-22-25). I would also change the bonuses of the Amarr Assault and the LR. Then you could use the LR on all suits really good. Just keep your distance and have a good sidearm if you can-¦t do first.
Duran Lex Silver Talon Corporation 28	Posted - 2013.06.30 11:02:00 - [17] - Quote I just don't understand how replacing the laser sight with iron sights would have made aiming easier on a long range weapon....
Echoist Fenrir's Wolves RUST415 16	Posted - 2013.06.30 13:24:00 - [18] - Quote Actually when you look at the stats closely the heat build up is less for the viziam than the others meaning you are able to fire the weapon longer and do more damage. And as far as the amar suit being the only suit able to use the weapon effectively i don't believe it cause i use a minmatar basic suit and i can still do very good with the laser. Also the laser has a longer range than the AR but i will admitt its not by much and should definitely be around the tacs range. Anyways i'd love to squad up with my few remaining laser fanatics and cause mayham in the battlefield. Damage isn't too bad might need like one or two points added to the base and i think it would be fine since the damage does increase exponentionally the longer you fire this beautiful weapon.
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 490	Posted - 2013.06.30 14:06:00 - [19] - Quote Fix the sight and I could use it better. I went 12 - 2 the other day with one. The damage is good but the feedback damage it too high. It is like 225 damage on overheat. That is way too much.
TonYtigr Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 37	Posted - 2013.06.30 14:38:00 - [20] - Quote Echoist wrote: Anyways i'd love to squad up with my few remaining laser fanatics and cause mayham in the battlefield. Good idea! Lets do like the mass driver users are doing, lets create a specific channel to squad up. I propose Laser Pointer

Green Living 0uter.Heaven League of Infamy 459	Posted - 2013.06.30 15:12:00 - [21] - Quote I'm still using the LR. Have since day one of their introduction into the game. I have posted in various threads what needs to be done and it looks like you all have covered the issues with the LR. With that said, I'm very interested in creating a squad of 6 lasers users. What is everyone using for their sidearm? SMG here but I'm considering Flaylock seeing how powerful it is at the moment.
TonYtigr Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire 37	Posted - 2013.06.30 15:22:00 - [22] - Quote Yep using the faylock as sidearm.
DeadlyAztec11 Max-Pain-inc 605	Posted - 2013.06.30 15:33:00 - [23] - Quote Better than the Scrambler Rifle, more consistent.
Cenex Langly D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 35	Posted - 2013.06.30 16:25:00 - [24] - Quote Cass Barr wrote: I think everyone knows the LR needs help. It needs a sight that works at range, and if its range really was reduced that badly it needs to be increased to TAR+20 or so. Maybe 10 since a TAR is also crap at short range now, too. Though it's still better than a LR HAHAHAH This will never happen. Here is the precise reason why. When it was broken back in Chromosome and your buddies were getting 9.0 kdr with it, they abused the heck out of it. They abused the exploit so badly that it was nerfed hard. Real hard. It's completely useless now because of that abuse. Good luck seeing it buffed back up. There is "NO ONE" in the entire community that would ever want to see this gun insta-kill ever again. The only people that want it back are those that exploited it. Never-gonna-happen-again...
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 360	Posted - 2013.06.30 21:16:00 - [25] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: Cass Barr wrote: I think everyone knows the LR needs help. It needs a sight that works at range, and if its range really was reduced that badly it needs to be increased to TAR+20 or so. Maybe 10 since a TAR is also crap at short range now, too. Though it's still better than a LR HAHAHAH This will never happen. Here is the precise reason why. When it was broken back in Chromosome and your buddies were getting 9.0 kdr with it, they abused the heck out of it. They abused the exploit so badly that it was nerfed hard. Real hard. It's completely useless now because of that abuse. Good luck seeing it buffed back up. There is "NO ONE" in the entire community that would ever want to see this gun insta-kill ever again. The only people that want it back are those that exploited it. Never-gonna-happen-again... The only issue about the laser was how the viaziam was able to swipe kill players. the basic and ELM didn't do that reliably or often, Laser if needs it buff back, personally im fine with the current damage and heat build up. Its just the sights and glare that it gives off when it fires that means picking out and hitting targets is harder than it needs to be. Its like the AR having a massive flash every time it fires where it obscures all of the screen in a fit inducing strobe light.
Provolonee Undefined Risk DARKSTAR ARMY 8	Posted - 2013.06.30 22:29:00 - [26] - Quote TonYtigr wrote: Echoist wrote: Anyways i'd love to squad up with my few remaining laser fanatics and cause mayham in the battlefield. Good idea! Lets do like the mass driver users are doing, lets create a specific channel to squad up. I propose Laser Pointer I would squad with you. I'm slowing speccing back into the LR. Tried it on an alt. got to prof lvl 4. There is no point going past the ELM. If your target is going to die from a laser, they will die from a STD LR, just the same as a viziam. I have setup i use now, I average around 1500WP a match and have been seeing some success. My thoughts on balance: -Damage is fine, some targets drop really fast, some seem to be immune. -range is good, With the TAR balanced you can be safely out of AR range and melt face. which is the main reason you have to be careful with balancing this weapon. -Hip fire is to fast (and pointless) ADS is to slow to track. -Feedback dmg is to high to use it on a scout suit, and not blow yourself up. -for a Pin point accurate weapon being able to see your target would help a bit. -can only use it in the daylight otherwise the glare completely blinds you. maybe we need some sunglasses to laser at night. -It is still subject to the reload bug, (reload, cant shoot, melee, reload for real this time) happens 3-4 times a match for me. Honestly if they just reverted the sights or took away the glare, the gun would be OP and fun to use again. That design decision is still baffling me. Unless it was made to make room for something else, like the gun needed a rail for fitting our own scopes on it. Balancing a weapon by decreasing a users ability to Aim is not fun and a poor call. Not only from a mechanics stand point, but aesthetically the gun lost a lot of its luster. Caldari Assault : " Ermer Gerd Lazers are OP" CCP: "We could put a paper bag over there heads while ADS. FIXED!"
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 17	Posted - 2013.06.30 22:36:00 - [27] - Quote Atlas Pillar wrote: Azura Sakura wrote: Rifter7 wrote: dude i was pushing close to a 9 kdr with that thing in chrome. i know how to use it. Weren't they OP back then? Only slightly. They needed a slight tweek in damage. (Viziam did about 19 and some odd decimal) But you know CCP. They sledghammered it. (PRO has same attack as STD? Seriously?) But they said they'd start focusing on balancing so maybe the LR will return to its former glory. only slightly haaaaaa that **** went through armor faster then any other gun
Provolonee Undefined Risk DARKSTAR ARMY 8	Posted - 2013.06.30 22:45:00 - [28] - Quote Green Living wrote: I'm still using the LR. Have since day one of their introduction into the game. I have posted in various threads what needs to be done and it looks like you all have covered the issues with the LR. With that said, I'm very interested in creating a squad of 6 lasers users. What is everyone using for their sidearm? SMG here but I'm considering Flaylock seeing how powerful it is at the moment. I use a Logi suit. Remote explosives are my side arm.
Provolonee Undefined Risk DARKSTAR ARMY 8	Posted - 2013.06.30 22:55:00 - [29] - Quote Harkon Vysarii wrote: Cenex Langly wrote: Cass Barr wrote: I think everyone knows the LR needs help. It needs a sight that works at range, and if its range really was reduced that badly it needs to be increased to TAR+20 or so. Maybe 10 since a TAR is also crap at short range now, too. Though it's still better than a LR HAHAHAH This will never happen. Here is the precise reason why. When it was broken back in Chromosome and your buddies were getting 9.0 kdr with it, they abused the heck out of it. They abused the exploit so badly that it was nerfed hard. Real hard. It's completely useless now because of that abuse. Good luck seeing it buffed back up. There is "NO ONE" in the entire community that would ever want to see this gun insta-kill ever again. The only people that want it back are those that exploited it. Never-gonna-happen-again... The only issue about the laser was how the viaziam was able to swipe kill players. the basic and ELM didn't do that reliably or often, Laser if needs it buff back, personally im fine with the current damage and heat build up. Its just the sights and glare that it gives off when it fires that means picking out and hitting targets is harder than it needs to be. Its like the AR having a massive flash every time it fires where it obscures all of the screen in a fit inducing strobe light. It was only the Viziam at the end of its cycle vs MLT Caldari suits that would get insta popped. We started calling them jiffy pops. The viziam was also the only laser that had a damage increase, and apparently it was a typo. the standard/ELM still took alot of burning to drop a armor tanked heavy. Pretty much had to start an incision from his crotch and slowly work your way up to his head. With the old aiming mechanics you could easily do such a surgical move, sucking the tears straight from there eyeball. That is player skill and should be rewarded.
Beld Errmon Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 668	Posted - 2013.06.30 23:03:00 - [30] - Quote The laser needed a bit of nerfing but they went completely overboard with it, what logic is there for the most advanced faction in the game to throw a set of ironsights on a weapon that is supposed to be long ranged, even before the nerf lasers were gimped by their limited short range ability and now their optimal is so small its just a complete waste of time.



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