DUST Search - [feedback] Recruit SMG damage not what it should be.

Kane Fyea wrote:

Son-Of A-Gun wrote:

Kane Fyea wrote:

Son-Of A-Gun wrote:

Kane Fyea wrote:

I think it's because they don't want people to use this unless your a new guy because then no one would buy their Aur BPO SMGs

It has 16 rounds and 1.5 damage less than the militia grade SMG. Considering the cost of the militia SMG, who in their right mind would use the recruit the way it is now over the militia. This dmg increase is the way it is with th recruit AR it should also be the same with the recruit SMG. Actually I would ok with something like less damage but an increased mag size. To make up for 1.5 damage I think the mag size would need to be increase the 90 or 95. As it stand right now there is absolutely now reason what-so-ever to use the recruit SMG regardless of whatever amount of SP you have it is literaly the worst gun in the game.

Well I think it should have the same stats as militia but a little bit less damage.

And what are you basing your reasoning on. My reasoning is based around the design of the other "recruit" weapons I have seen so far. Your suggestion holds no merit.

Well ok then give it a bit more damage it really won't be great either way.

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Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 51	Posted - 2013.06.28 09:15:00 - [1] - Quote I can understand the reduced clip size and longer reload speed, but reduced clip size, longer reload speed and reduced damage...? The recruit AR has a 48 round magazine, takes 3.5 sec to reload and does 34.7 HP dmg/round. The std AR has a 60 round mag, 3.0 sec to reload and does 34 HP dmg/round. The recruit SMG has a 64 round mag, takes 3.5 sec to reload and does 21.5 HP dmg/round, while the std SMG has a 80 round mag, takes 3.0 seconds to reload and does 23 HP dmg/round. Not only this but it takes more CPU/PG to equip the recruit stuff. I was really looking forward to using the recruit SMG, but as it stands now the recruit SMG does not have a single redeeming feature. I did the math in comparison to the AR variants. The dam/round for the recruit SMG should be set to 23.47. At the minimum this needs to be changed (CCP) otherwise this thing is nothing but a joke piece of garbage that will never be used. CCP please don't just blow this off, you guys ignoring stuff like this and just letting it slide is really starting to **** me off (especially when it is something as simple as adjusting damage stats). Like when I did the math for dmg output of the plasma canon Vs. swarm launcher against shields and posted it on here, and nothing was ever done about it, or the many other things I've posted about. Seriously you guys need to fix this stuff. I am stating to get very impatient here.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 477	Posted - 2013.06.28 10:44:00 - [2] - Quote I think it's because they don't want people to use this unless your a new guy because then no one would buy their Aur BPO SMGs
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 51	Posted - 2013.06.28 11:03:00 - [3] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: I think it's because they don't want people to use this unless your a new guy because then no one would buy their Aur BPO SMGs It has 16 rounds and 1.5 damage less than the militia grade SMG. Considering the cost of the militia SMG, who in their right mind would use the recruit the way it is now over the militia. This dmg increase is the way it is with th recruit AR it should also be the same with the recruit SMG. Actually I would ok with something like less damage but an increased mag size. To make up for 1.5 damage I think the mag size would need to be increase the 90 or 95. As it stand right now there is absolutely now reason what-so-ever to use the recruit SMG regardless of whatever amount of SP you have it is literaly the worst gun in the game.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 478	Posted - 2013.06.28 11:06:00 - [4] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: I think it's because they don't want people to use this unless your a new guy because then no one would buy their Aur BPO SMGs It has 16 rounds and 1.5 damage less than the militia grade SMG. Considering the cost of the militia SMG, who in their right mind would use the recruit the way it is now over the militia. This dmg increase is the way it is with th recruit AR it should also be the same with the recruit SMG. Actually I would ok with something like less damage but an increased mag size. To make up for 1.5 damage I think the mag size would need to be increase the 90 or 95. As it stand right now there is absolutely now reason what-so-ever to use the recruit SMG regardless of whatever amount of SP you have it is literaly the worst gun in the game. Well I think it should have the same stats as militia but a little bit less damage.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 51	Posted - 2013.06.28 11:10:00 - [5] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: I think it's because they don't want people to use this unless your a new guy because then no one would buy their Aur BPO SMGs It has 16 rounds and 1.5 damage less than the militia grade SMG. Considering the cost of the militia SMG, who in their right mind would use the recruit the way it is now over the militia. This dmg increase is the way it is with th recruit AR it should also be the same with the recruit SMG. Actually I would ok with something like less damage but an increased mag size. To make up for 1.5 damage I think the mag size would need to be increase the 90 or 95. As it stand right now there is absolutely now reason what-so-ever to use the recruit SMG regardless of whatever amount of SP you have it is literaly the worst gun in the game. Well I think it should have the same stats as militia but a little bit less damage. And what are you basing your reasoning on. My reasoning is based around the design of the other "recruit" weapons I have seen so far. Your suggestion holds no merit.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 478	Posted - 2013.06.28 11:42:00 - [6] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: I think it's because they don't want people to use this unless your a new guy because then no one would buy their Aur BPO SMGs It has 16 rounds and 1.5 damage less than the militia grade SMG. Considering the cost of the militia SMG, who in their right mind would use the recruit the way it is now over the militia. This dmg increase is the way it is with th recruit AR it should also be the same with the recruit SMG. Actually I would ok with something like less damage but an increased mag size. To make up for 1.5 damage I think the mag size would need to be increase the 90 or 95. As it stand right now there is absolutely now reason what-so-ever to use the recruit SMG regardless of whatever amount of SP you have it is literaly the worst gun in the game. Well I think it should have the same stats as militia but a little bit less damage. And what are you basing your reasoning on. My reasoning is based around the design of the other "recruit" weapons I have seen so far. Your suggestion holds no merit. Well ok then give it a bit more damage it really won't be great either way.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 51	Posted - 2013.06.28 15:10:00 - [7] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: I think it's because they don't want people to use this unless your a new guy because then no one would buy their Aur BPO SMGs It has 16 rounds and 1.5 damage less than the militia grade SMG. Considering the cost of the militia SMG, who in their right mind would use the recruit the way it is now over the militia. This dmg increase is the way it is with th recruit AR it should also be the same with the recruit SMG. Actually I would ok with something like less damage but an increased mag size. To make up for 1.5 damage I think the mag size would need to be increase the 90 or 95. As it stand right now there is absolutely now reason what-so-ever to use the recruit SMG regardless of whatever amount of SP you have it is literaly the worst gun in the game. Well I think it should have the same stats as militia but a little bit less damage. And what are you basing your reasoning on. My reasoning is based around the design of the other "recruit" weapons I have seen so far. Your suggestion holds no merit. Well ok then give it a bit more damage it really won't be great either way. Don't want it to be "great". I want it to be worth using.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 492	Posted - 2013.06.29 23:58:00 - [8] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: It has 16 rounds and 1.5 damage less than the militia grade SMG. Considering the cost of the militia SMG, who in their right mind would use the recruit the way it is now over the militia. This dmg increase is the way it is with th recruit AR it should also be the same with the recruit SMG. Actually I would ok with something like less damage but an increased mag size. To make up for 1.5 damage I think the mag size would need to be increase the 90 or 95. As it stand right now there is absolutely now reason what-so-ever to use the recruit SMG regardless of whatever amount of SP you have it is literaly the worst gun in the game. Well I think it should have the same stats as militia but a little bit less damage. And what are you basing your reasoning on. My reasoning is based around the design of the other "recruit" weapons I have seen so far. Your suggestion holds no merit. Well ok then give it a bit more damage it really won't be great either way. Don't want it to be "great". I want it to be worth using. It won't be worth using either way when the standard takes so little SP investment and is really cheap. Hell the standard is barely even worth using.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 684	Posted - 2013.06.30 01:33:00 - [9] - Quote recruit= militia
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1034	Posted - 2013.06.30 04:41:00 - [10] - Quote So... where is this recruit SMG coming from? I know where the recruit AR comes from (you get it from a recruit link). Hadn't heard about this one.

The-Errorist BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 3	Posted - 2013.07.02 14:12:00 - [11] - Quote ladwar wrote: recruit= militia Not for CCP, they think it should be worse in the case of the Recruit SMG.
The-Errorist BetaMax Beta CRONOS. 3	Posted - 2013.07.02 14:13:00 - [12] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: So... where is this recruit SMG coming from? I know where the recruit AR comes from (you get it from a recruit link). Hadn't heard about this one. It comes from the recruit link and playing till you get enough WP.
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 66	Posted - 2013.07.02 14:16:00 - [13] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: I think it's because they don't want people to use this unless your a new guy because then no one would buy their Aur BPO SMGs It has 16 rounds and 1.5 damage less than the militia grade SMG. Considering the cost of the militia SMG, who in their right mind would use the recruit the way it is now over the militia. This dmg increase is the way it is with th recruit AR it should also be the same with the recruit SMG. Actually I would ok with something like less damage but an increased mag size. To make up for 1.5 damage I think the mag size would need to be increase the 90 or 95. As it stand right now there is absolutely now reason what-so-ever to use the recruit SMG regardless of whatever amount of SP you have it is literaly the worst gun in the game. Well I think it should have the same stats as militia but a little bit less damage. No. Militia SMG is cheap as hell, and is already significantly worse than the basic SMG, which itself is EASY to unlock. Giving out something that's WORSE than the militia variant is completely worthless. +1 OP
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1145	Posted - 2013.07.07 08:45:00 - [14] - Quote The weapon description clearly states that it's a bit STRONGER than a miltia SMG. It's weaker instead, but otherwise the same. Clearly a mistake, that's all there is to it.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 87	Posted - 2013.07.07 15:05:00 - [15] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: The weapon description clearly states that it's a bit STRONGER than a miltia SMG. It's weaker instead, but otherwise the same. Clearly a mistake, that's all there is to it. Can we please get this fixed CCP?
Dehlia Metii not in a corporation 20	Posted - 2013.07.08 06:25:00 - [16] - Quote It's confusing to new players. "Why did I get a weapon that's worse than the worst one that money can buy? Why would I use that?"
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1322	Posted - 2013.07.16 12:21:00 - [17] - Quote Still no word on this?
Kelrie Nae'bre not in a corporation 63	Posted - 2013.07.31 22:16:00 - [18] - Quote It's part of the "Screw new players" Initiative.
Reaper Skordeman The Reaper Crew PMC 55	Posted - 2013.07.31 22:39:00 - [19] - Quote I can't believe I was trying to pass this off as a perk to my recruits. I thought it'd be like the AR and that little bit better than a Std.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1449	Posted - 2013.07.31 23:06:00 - [20] - Quote Reaper Skordeman wrote: I can't believe I was trying to pass this off as a perk to my recruits. I thought it'd be like the AR and that little bit better than a Std. It definitely puts some question marks on the rest of those recruit "rewards".

Nikea Nei Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 48	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:37:00 - [21] - Quote I can verify that it has lower stats than militia, much lower damage anyhow...
Melai For'Aiur Shining Flame Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:59:00 - [22] - Quote Vets won't care about this because they can't get recruit SMGs. It only impacts people who are recruited, so it's screwing over the people CCP would like to keep around.
The-Errorist BetaMax Beta 80	Posted - 2013.08.02 05:04:00 - [23] - Quote Melai For'Aiur wrote: Vets won't care about this because they can't get recruit SMGs. It only impacts people who are recruited, so it's screwing over the people CCP would like to keep around. I care because a lot of people I recruit use that crap and or thinks its just as powerful as militia or better
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1710	Posted - 2013.08.02 06:10:00 - [24] - Quote The-Errorist wrote: Melai For'Aiur wrote: Vets won't care about this because they can't get recruit SMGs. It only impacts people who are recruited, so it's screwing over the people CCP would like to keep around. I care because a lot of people I recruit use that crap and or thinks its just as powerful as militia or better I guess it makes the point that more vets SHOULD care about this, because it might be a turn off for new players.
The-Errorist BetaMax Beta 81	Posted - 2013.08.02 12:44:00 - [25] - Quote It sucks how this problem hasn't gotten any acknowledgement from CCP.
Monsku Kifini Rautaleijona Top Men. 94	Posted - 2013.08.06 11:39:00 - [26] - Quote bumb. it has lot lower dmg while the description says that its slighly more powerful version of the militia.
Starscream 12 Demon's Forge 4	Posted - 2013.08.06 11:56:00 - [27] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: I think it's because they don't want people to use this unless your a new guy because then no one would buy their Aur BPO SMGs I'd hit that syndicate like charlie sheen on 10 tonnes of viagra if i had aurum
The-Errorist Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 84	Posted - 2013.08.07 18:30:00 - [28] - Quote I wouldn't be surprised if new recruit items are worse than militia or the Recruit AR got nerfed to 20damage
Joel II X AHPA 46	Posted - 2013.10.19 17:37:00 - [29] - Quote My friend just got it yesterday and told me that the stats are worse than the militia one. I couldn't believe it lol. Every recruit weapon should have something better than the militia items.
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 210	Posted - 2013.10.19 18:45:00 - [30] - Quote This is just depressing.



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