Only reason I opened this thread was because I wanted to know why you wanted my corp and I to DIAF.

No real interest in PC at all until it isn't a broken mess of a passive faucet.

TBH, the passive nature of it is the most broken aspect of it all if you ask me. I remember reading about how "wanting PvE is wanting Farmville". I think of it differently, wanting Passive is wanting Farmville.

The inclusion of PvE and removal of Passive Income Generation (PIG for short) will do more for this game than the retention of PIG. Districts should open invadable anoms which need to be defended and plexed to gather the wealth that would otherwise come from PIG under the current system. They should be available only in held Districts and plexable by any who can get to the District. The value of the daily bounties available should total the amount of daily Income available under PIG, though it will force corps to "work" for their income though not only PvE, but also PvPvE.

In closing, anyone who is considering this foolishness should really think again and do yourselves a favor, don't submit to their rental terms.

I'm not sure that the 50,000 isk awarded to mercs for non-participation in a pub-skirm is really detrimental to the game although I would really enjoy seeing some drones to kill as well as something else to do rather than solely a PvP game. Eve has made it 10 years by including a wide variety of ways to earn income and I tend to believe it didn't just start out with people blowing ships up without a way to replace them.

The expansion of PC to include a variety of PvE activities would be a nice way to introduce the feature and allow for a nice Risk vs Reward payout that would go a long way to improving mercenary skills and tactics as well as their pocketbooks.

I cam here ready to lay a smackdown because I read "PIG" as pust "PG", and was pleasantly surprised to see a good post.

At its current phase PC is useless, and the PIG gained from districts doesnt encourage fighting, it just means that two corps will fight over a district until one of them is out of clones/ISK, then the other will either idle while the other corp goes and grinds (not playing - grinding) pub matches to get enough ISK to get a few clone packs.

Unless the corp that won gets another challenger, and then they'll be low on clones with no way to reinforce and no way to recoup their losses on clone packs without grinding pub matches some more.

The way things are currently is just reinforcing a cycle of grind - fun war - grind again.

While I am not directly addressing the MCC AFKers with this, I do however think that is a good side effect.

I am directly addressing the PIG of PC, it should be done away with, both here and in Eve (bring PI and Moon Mining to Dust for "Activity").

The payouts of PC are the only actual battles that will pay to proto fit any suit, I don't believe that you are on the right track with this although I would like to see PI as a Dust activity I don't believe the one kind of battle that pays to win should be an unrewarding experience. Consider the cost involved in setting up a battle in the first place (80 mil without a district to pull clones from) is a huge expense and with only a return of around 1-2mil from a PC win you are still going negative isk on the successful attack of a district. Now if you would have said make the other battles pay more appropriately and bring us PI I would be all the way on board.

Maybe... CCP should remove PC since it only accomplished to burn out all the "good players" and right now it seems only one interest group of blue'd corporations hold most of molden heat, why would indie corps would want to hold a district if the district might be bullied by a group of "elite" players.

The longer it stays open the more ISK that will be accumulated and then when we get a player's market the ISK will be devalued making items increase exponentially their price and a monopoly over certain goods may be achieved if the wealthy decide to focus on several items making them scarce resources

Yet the call for PvE rings once again.

We've been singing this tune for a year.

But apparently the protobear crowd thinks that fixing LLAVs and aiming should be the biggest priorities right now.
CCP thinks that nerfing armor reps is the biggest priority right now.

In the end, there needs to be content. People need PvE, and LOTS of it. We need to be able to get lost in PvE, and suddenly fixing LLAVs won't be so high up on the priority plate.
If all you do is PVP, everything that is a minor bug or annoyance, can start to seem a LOT larger than it really is.

You know.... those days when simply playing the game annoys and makes you upset..... EVEN WHEN YOU'RE WINNING.
Thats because you need more content in the game.

EoN won PC. It's over. The human fighting spirit is not eternal. People want to relax from PvP.

While I am not directly addressing the MCC AFKers with this, I do however think that is a good side effect.

I am directly addressing the PIG of PC, it should be done away with, both here and in Eve (bring PI and Moon Mining to Dust for "Activity").

Yet the call for PvE rings once again.

We've been singing this tune for a year.

But apparently the protobear crowd thinks that fixing LLAVs and aiming should be the biggest priorities right now.
CCP thinks that nerfing armor reps is the biggest priority right now.

In the end, there needs to be content. People need PvE, and LOTS of it. We need to be able to get lost in PvE, and suddenly fixing LLAVs won't be so high up on the priority plate.
If all you do is PVP, everything that is a minor bug or annoyance, can start to seem a LOT larger than it really is.

You know.... those days when simply playing the game annoys and makes you upset..... EVEN WHEN YOU'RE WINNING.
Thats because you need more content in the game.

EoN won PC. It's over. The human fighting spirit is not eternal. People want to relax from PvP.