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dazlb72 D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 9	Posted - 2013.06.27 18:14:00 - [31] - Quote as long as a game has different control options this argument will remain. in the last game i played it was the ps move which had some advantages over the ds3. if everyone is made to use the same control method this argument disappears
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries Omega Commission 211	Posted - 2013.06.27 18:15:00 - [32] - Quote KING SALASI wrote: I've always said i think thats way the aiming is borked. We have 3 different control schemes, DS3,Move, & KBM. It's a console game DS3 only. Why not put Dust on PC for KMB users lol. Sigh So lets play that game... We're all on one server, CCP releases a pc version, magically I have no walls and im using kb/m, forum QQ begins to thicken..
Despawner Respawner Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.06.27 18:17:00 - [33] - Quote Sure remove kb/m support (its pretty horrible anyway). Keep in mind ppl will still use the kb/m though....
KA24DERT Not Guilty EoN. 65	Posted - 2013.06.27 18:18:00 - [34] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: KING SALASI wrote: I've always said i think thats way the aiming is borked. We have 3 different control schemes, DS3,Move, & KBM. It's a console game DS3 only. Why not put Dust on PC for KMB users lol. Sigh So lets play that game... We're all on one server, CCP releases a pc version, magically I have no walls and im using kb/m, forum QQ begins to thicken.. Yep... I'm willing to bet money that CCP is building PC binaries right along side of the PS3 binaries. When whatever contracts expire, this game is coming to PC, and no pc gamer will stand for these gimped controls.
RoundEy3 Metal Mind Industries 148	Posted - 2013.06.27 18:19:00 - [35] - Quote This same issue is brought up between DS3 and Move controllers in games where the move actually works. Some DS3 players swear they stand no chance against move players. I use the move pretty well in other shooters and that setup takes a while to learn. I guess the moral of the story is practice your controls on whatever setup you choose.
KA24DERT Not Guilty EoN. 65	Posted - 2013.06.27 18:21:00 - [36] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: KA24DERT wrote: Again, if KB/M is an "I Win" button, why don't you press it? You got 20 bucks I'm sure, and nobody soldered off the USB ports on you ps3. Just plug it in and enjoy god mode! I'm a console gamer. I play on my couch that's in the living room with a 62" HDTV. It has no room for kb/m. It'll be highly uncomfortable, I can already feel the back pains. -XOXO Translation: WAAAAAAHHHH, I don't WANT to compete! But I still want to WIN!! WA WA WAAAAAAAHHHHHH!
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers EoN. 571	Posted - 2013.06.27 18:22:00 - [37] - Quote argue 1 way or another on this, KB/M support is crucial to this games survival... and no I don't use KB/M. yes when working properly KB/M is a distinct advantage, even in its broken state it has an advantage, but you wont be seeing support for it removed... Dust, long term, is going to rely on its EvE players, none of which would even know how to hold a controller, much less be any good with it. the niche this game has atm is that is DOES support KB/M if you wanna QQ about KB/M u need to work to balance it vs the DS3, not try to remove it cause that just aint gonna happen
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 74	Posted - 2013.06.27 19:00:00 - [38] - Quote Well then get it off console move it to PC where it belongs then. This is a console platform FYI the EVE community hates Dust with a passion. KBM do not belong on console period. If that's the case make my DS3 work on Eve online.
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Molon Labe. League of Infamy 40	Posted - 2013.06.27 19:07:00 - [39] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: RoundEy3 wrote: I'm sure CCP devs will read this thread and have M/KB support removed immediately. No worries. Why? Why are you guys defending the DS3 so bad? You know the kb/m has a obvious advantage here. Are you afraid they could remove your crutch? I know they won't do that. Just letting CCP know we're at a clear disadvantage. And even more because this game is related to a PC game, so the majority of the beta vets are PC gamers. -XOXO wrong the majority of the closed beta vets are MAG players
KING SALASI MAJOR DISTRIBUTION 74	Posted - 2013.06.27 19:08:00 - [40] - Quote bolsh lee wrote: KING SALASI wrote: I've always said i think thats way the aiming is borked. We have 3 different control schemes, DS3,Move, & KBM. It's a console game DS3 only. Why not put Dust on PC for KMB users lol. Sigh So lets play that game... We're all on one server, CCP releases a pc version, magically I have no walls and im using kb/m, forum QQ begins to thicken.. At this point we can all agree Dust was a failed experiment on console. If tweak the DS3 the have to tweak kbm, & move. They will never get the aiming fixed until it's down to one control scheme. Just move this turd to PC & call it a day. This aiming issue has been going on since last year and it's still not fixed.

Shrapnels The Order 1886 137	Posted - 2013.06.27 19:12:00 - [41] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: The legend345 wrote: you ignorant the mouse and keyboard aiming sucks right now. ps htfu It'll get fixed eventually. -XOXO actually it will Not get Fixed. The reason why is they want the crapboard&mouse controls to be Equal to the PS3 controller. The real Problem is Turn Speeds with crapboard&mouse. They also still haven't fixed that you can use Both at the same time
Drogan Reeth Free Trade Corp 52	Posted - 2013.06.27 19:51:00 - [42] - Quote 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: You mouse/KB users have a clear advantage vs us console gamers. You can't aim as fast and precise with an analog stick as with a mouse. With a keyboard is easier to strafe and jump while shooting at the same time with the mouse. This a CONSOLE game having mouse/KB support is a huge mistake. The majority of the new players are console gamers which get owned 1vs1 because they're using a DS3. The console and PC community will NEVER be able to unified because both controllers are entirely DIFFERENT. Different in that one is clearly better at shooting things than the other. I'm actually glad your kind got nerfed with Uprising srsly. But I'm afraid your aiming will get fixed to being again PC pro vs console noob. -XOXO Yo, check this out, it allows you to use kb/m in any PS3 game, it translates kb/m input into controller so it is transparent to the PS3 so it is not detectable. This is what im using right now. As it seems to be working better then the native kb/m support. Honestly they should fix the kb/m support so that ppl dont need 3rd party accessories to properly play the game. But if they remove it completly it wouldn't change a thing.
hooc roht Deep Space Republic 115	Posted - 2013.06.27 19:53:00 - [43] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: You mouse/KB users have a clear advantage vs us console gamers. You can't aim as fast and precise with an analog stick as with a mouse. With a keyboard is easier to strafe and jump while shooting at the same time with the mouse. This a CONSOLE game having mouse/KB support is a huge mistake. The majority of the new players are console gamers which get owned 1vs1 because they're using a DS3. The console and PC community will NEVER be able to unified because both controllers are entirely DIFFERENT. Different in that one is clearly better at shooting things than the other. I'm actually glad your kind got nerfed with Uprising srsly. But I'm afraid your aiming will get fixed to being again PC pro vs console noob. -XOXO If you think that then use a mouse and keyboard.
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 214	Posted - 2013.06.27 19:56:00 - [44] - Quote KING SALASI wrote: Well then get it off console move it to PC where it belongs then. This is a console platform FYI the EVE community hates Dust with a passion. KBM do not belong on console period. If that's the case make my DS3 work on Eve online. No they don't.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 515	Posted - 2013.06.27 20:30:00 - [45] - Quote KING SALASI wrote: Why not put Dust on PC for KMB users lol. Sigh You have no idea how awesome that would be... I would probably consider paying a subscription fee (to help deter hackers) to play this on the PC.
Knightshade Belladonna G.R.A.V.E 378	Posted - 2013.06.27 20:48:00 - [46] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote: Yo, check this out, it allows you to use kb/m in any PS3 game, it translates kb/m input into controller so it is transparent to the PS3 so it is not detectable. I used to use it for BO2, I could go 40+ kills in a match like it was nothing. Its not nearly as good as true MKB support but you could eventually tune it so it was pretty decent. Thanks for showing and saying how much superior it is over ds3 controller. And for the people going, blah blah 20 bucks, get one blah bLAH.. DO YOU NOT REALIZE WTF WE ARE PLAYING ON? why the hell would we have to be compelled to purchase a kb/m for a system that comes with.. A CONTROLLER , not a dam keyboard like your pc
Carter Raynor The Generals EoN. 42	Posted - 2013.06.27 21:12:00 - [47] - Quote To OP: You are QQing about something that you have little to no knowledge about. After 16 years of KBM and 9 of Dualshock, I can safely say that you are talking out of your ass. To use a KBM and be good at it takes months to years, as does the DS3 or any other controller. The main upside to a Mouse is it's ability to use 1:1 aiming, and the drivers and software that computers have allow it to be the most precise thing in that area. ON A COMPUTER. We are all playing Dust on a PS3 (...if I'm correct, which I am, it is not a Windows/Mac/Linux system) Sure the PS3 may act like a PC in many ways, but it lacks the very basic architecture in games to utilize a KBM like a real PC does. In many instances, the mouse will be far less effective than the controller MADE to be used with that system. I DO NOT care if you think the KBM is 'overpowered' on a PS3, if any PC veteran that played true competitive fps games like me is asked to use a KBM on Dust, they will immediately say how rubbish the 1:1 movement is on the mouse and that it is a disadvantage. Since I have bought a PS3 and many, many, fps games, I have seen the best that DS3 users have, and that is close to how good some KBM users are who have used their own setups for years. For the TL;DR idiots: - Dust 514 KBM usage is sub par because the game mechanics don't allow full 1:1 or high sensitivity - DS3 has elite players who don't miss, and so do PC KBM players Therefor, this thread is a moot point and is trolling.
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming EoN. 412	Posted - 2013.06.27 21:16:00 - [48] - Quote But the controller has better strafing ability than the keyboard does OP
KA24DERT Not Guilty EoN. 68	Posted - 2013.06.27 21:19:00 - [49] - Quote Knightshade Belladonna wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: 5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak3 wrote: Yo, check this out, it allows you to use kb/m in any PS3 game, it translates kb/m input into controller so it is transparent to the PS3 so it is not detectable. I used to use it for BO2, I could go 40+ kills in a match like it was nothing. Its not nearly as good as true MKB support but you could eventually tune it so it was pretty decent. Thanks for showing and saying how much superior it is over ds3 controller. And for the people going, blah blah 20 bucks, get one blah bLAH.. DO YOU NOT REALIZE WTF WE ARE PLAYING ON? why the hell would we have to be compelled to purchase a kb/m for a system that comes with.. A CONTROLLER , not a dam keyboard like your pc You don't have to do anything, that's your choice, but your complacency does not translate into screwing me out of my input method of choice.
Sir Petersen Valhalla Nord 219	Posted - 2013.06.27 21:22:00 - [50] - Quote Yes. removing the keyboard/mouse option is a good idea.

XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers EoN. 572	Posted - 2013.06.27 21:23:00 - [51] - Quote FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: You mouse/KB users have a clear advantage vs us console gamers. You can't aim as fast and precise with an analog stick as with a mouse. With a keyboard is easier to strafe and jump while shooting at the same time with the mouse. This a CONSOLE game having mouse/KB support is a huge mistake. The majority of the new players are console gamers which get owned 1vs1 because they're using a DS3. The console and PC community will NEVER be able to unified because both controllers are entirely DIFFERENT. Different in that one is clearly better at shooting things than the other. I'm actually glad your kind got nerfed with Uprising srsly. But I'm afraid your aiming will get fixed to being again PC pro vs console noob. -XOXO Forgot to mention they can Strafe left to right exploiting sprint speed for strafe. I think if you die with a KB/M you are horrible it's practically god mode. EDIT- I actually have a post I am trying to fight in balancing KB and Controller join the fight and anybody else who is tired of some KB having a clear cut advantage. STOP KB SPRINT STRAFE. TODAY!
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming EoN. 412	Posted - 2013.06.27 21:26:00 - [52] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: You mouse/KB users have a clear advantage vs us console gamers. You can't aim as fast and precise with an analog stick as with a mouse. With a keyboard is easier to strafe and jump while shooting at the same time with the mouse. This a CONSOLE game having mouse/KB support is a huge mistake. The majority of the new players are console gamers which get owned 1vs1 because they're using a DS3. The console and PC community will NEVER be able to unified because both controllers are entirely DIFFERENT. Different in that one is clearly better at shooting things than the other. I'm actually glad your kind got nerfed with Uprising srsly. But I'm afraid your aiming will get fixed to being again PC pro vs console noob. -XOXO Forgot to mention they can Strafe left to right exploiting sprint speed for strafe. I think if you die with a KB/M you are horrible it's practically god mode. EDIT- I actually have a post I am trying to fight in balancing KB and Controller join the fight and anybody else who is tired of some KB having a clear cut advantage. STOP KB SPRINT STRAFE. TODAY! This is simply not true. The strafe speed is the same and you get much less degrees of control on your movement with only four keys as opposed to an analog stick
XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers EoN. 572	Posted - 2013.06.27 21:30:00 - [53] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: XeroTheBigBoss wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: You mouse/KB users have a clear advantage vs us console gamers. You can't aim as fast and precise with an analog stick as with a mouse. With a keyboard is easier to strafe and jump while shooting at the same time with the mouse. This a CONSOLE game having mouse/KB support is a huge mistake. The majority of the new players are console gamers which get owned 1vs1 because they're using a DS3. The console and PC community will NEVER be able to unified because both controllers are entirely DIFFERENT. Different in that one is clearly better at shooting things than the other. I'm actually glad your kind got nerfed with Uprising srsly. But I'm afraid your aiming will get fixed to being again PC pro vs console noob. -XOXO Forgot to mention they can Strafe left to right exploiting sprint speed for strafe. I think if you die with a KB/M you are horrible it's practically god mode. EDIT- I actually have a post I am trying to fight in balancing KB and Controller join the fight and anybody else who is tired of some KB having a clear cut advantage. STOP KB SPRINT STRAFE. TODAY! This is simply not true. The strafe speed is the same and you get much less degrees of control on your movement with only four keys as opposed to an analog stick I beg to differ sir. Fight a heavy using Keyboard than fight one using controller. You can ALWAYS spot a keyboard player because their sprint speed is greatly increased compared to a controller player. I knew PA Capone and Spongly were KB before I knew! Lol I could tell by the speed they have left to right. Plus I have had friends tell me KB users can hold down Shift and strafe back and forth with sprint speed. Trust me gunfight Cubs than gun fight Spongely or PA you will notice a great increase in their speed going left to right.
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming EoN. 412	Posted - 2013.06.27 21:33:00 - [54] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: King Kobrah wrote: XeroTheBigBoss wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: You mouse/KB users have a clear advantage vs us console gamers. You can't aim as fast and precise with an analog stick as with a mouse. With a keyboard is easier to strafe and jump while shooting at the same time with the mouse. This a CONSOLE game having mouse/KB support is a huge mistake. The majority of the new players are console gamers which get owned 1vs1 because they're using a DS3. The console and PC community will NEVER be able to unified because both controllers are entirely DIFFERENT. Different in that one is clearly better at shooting things than the other. I'm actually glad your kind got nerfed with Uprising srsly. But I'm afraid your aiming will get fixed to being again PC pro vs console noob. -XOXO Forgot to mention they can Strafe left to right exploiting sprint speed for strafe. I think if you die with a KB/M you are horrible it's practically god mode. EDIT- I actually have a post I am trying to fight in balancing KB and Controller join the fight and anybody else who is tired of some KB having a clear cut advantage. STOP KB SPRINT STRAFE. TODAY! This is simply not true. The strafe speed is the same and you get much less degrees of control on your movement with only four keys as opposed to an analog stick I beg to differ sir. Fight a heavy using Keyboard than fight one using controller. You can ALWAYS spot a keyboard player because their sprint speed is greatly increased compared to a controller player. I knew PA Capone and Spongly were KB before I knew! Lol I could tell by the speed they have left to right. Plus I have had friends tell me KB users can hold down Shift and strafe back and forth with sprint speed. Trust me gunfight Cubs than gun fight Spongely or PA you will notice a great increase in their speed going left to right. might only be the case for heavies, i've never seen anyone strafe at sprint speed before. controller is vastly better for strafing otherwise, heavies have had bugged keyboard strafe since chromosone iirc
XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers EoN. 572	Posted - 2013.06.27 21:35:00 - [55] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: XeroTheBigBoss wrote: King Kobrah wrote: XeroTheBigBoss wrote: FATPrincess - XOXO wrote: You mouse/KB users have a clear advantage vs us console gamers. You can't aim as fast and precise with an analog stick as with a mouse. With a keyboard is easier to strafe and jump while shooting at the same time with the mouse. This a CONSOLE game having mouse/KB support is a huge mistake. The majority of the new players are console gamers which get owned 1vs1 because they're using a DS3. The console and PC community will NEVER be able to unified because both controllers are entirely DIFFERENT. Different in that one is clearly better at shooting things than the other. I'm actually glad your kind got nerfed with Uprising srsly. But I'm afraid your aiming will get fixed to being again PC pro vs console noob. -XOXO Forgot to mention they can Strafe left to right exploiting sprint speed for strafe. I think if you die with a KB/M you are horrible it's practically god mode. EDIT- I actually have a post I am trying to fight in balancing KB and Controller join the fight and anybody else who is tired of some KB having a clear cut advantage. STOP KB SPRINT STRAFE. TODAY! This is simply not true. The strafe speed is the same and you get much less degrees of control on your movement with only four keys as opposed to an analog stick I beg to differ sir. Fight a heavy using Keyboard than fight one using controller. You can ALWAYS spot a keyboard player because their sprint speed is greatly increased compared to a controller player. I knew PA Capone and Spongly were KB before I knew! Lol I could tell by the speed they have left to right. Plus I have had friends tell me KB users can hold down Shift and strafe back and forth with sprint speed. Trust me gunfight Cubs than gun fight Spongely or PA you will notice a great increase in their speed going left to right. might only be the case for heavies, i've never seen anyone strafe at sprint speed before. controller is vastly better for strafing otherwise, heavies have had bugged keyboard strafe since chromosone iirc Nope, not just for heavies. If you fight a controller assault than fight a Kohmplex you will see Kohmplex moves super fast left to right compared to a controller assault. Again I knew he was KB before I knew. All by reading the speed of his left to right. EDIT- Ever fight Nyain San? A few of them moved left to right at almost impossible to hit speeds. The ones I am thinking of were Scouts. Don't remember names though unfortunately
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming EoN. 412	Posted - 2013.06.27 21:36:00 - [56] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Nope, not just for heavies. If you fight a controller assault than fight a Kohmplex you will see Kohmplex moves super fast left to right compared to a controller assault. Again I knew he was KB before I knew. All by reading the speed of his left to right. I found keyboard strafing to be so bad that I switched to using both a controller and mouse at the same time. I have never noticed assaults strafing faster than they should be in this build.
XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers EoN. 572	Posted - 2013.06.27 21:39:00 - [57] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Nope, not just for heavies. If you fight a controller assault than fight a Kohmplex you will see Kohmplex moves super fast left to right compared to a controller assault. Again I knew he was KB before I knew. All by reading the speed of his left to right. I found keyboard strafing to be so bad that I switched to using both a controller and mouse at the same time. I have never noticed assaults strafing faster than they should be in this build. If you really look for it you will see it. It is so bad now I can clearly tell who is who. Obviously if a KB wanted to cover this up they would just not hold the Sprint down. IN a clutch situation though or in pubs and they don't know you are looking for it they will reveal it to you. Kohmplex strafes left to right pretty fast for a Assault. You just have to be looking for it is all. EDIT- In case somebody is like oh he is QQing about Kohm. He is the only one that I can think of that I gun fought recently and have gun fought on many different occasions. I am not sure if Nikia is KB or Controller. I never really noticed him doing crazy left to right so I am gonna say controller. IF I am right gunfight Nikia than gunfight Kohmplex you will notice it. I use Nikia only cause he's the only caldari Assault I can think of off the top of my head.
BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG Expert Intervention Caldari State 303	Posted - 2013.06.27 21:41:00 - [58] - Quote TC you should try using a M&K on this game lol its horrible..
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 150	Posted - 2013.06.27 21:44:00 - [59] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: argue 1 way or another on this, KB/M support is crucial to this games survival... and no I don't use KB/M. yes when working properly KB/M is a distinct advantage, even in its broken state it has an advantage, but you wont be seeing support for it removed... Dust, long term, is going to rely on its EvE players, none of which would even know how to hold a controller, much less be any good with it. the niche this game has atm is that is DOES support KB/M if you wanna QQ about KB/M u need to work to balance it vs the DS3, not try to remove it cause that just aint gonna happen lolwut? How is kb/m support crucial to a game where a vast majority are DS3 users? I thought you were one of the more sensible players given how long you've been playing but thats a sad reason to defend kb/m support. I for one support kb funcionality for ease of chat control when voice chat is not an option but feel like mouse has no place in a console game unless the kb/m was a requirement so everyone would be on equal footing. Anyone who says DS3 is better than kb/m is just lying to themselves, if and when CCP manages to do a 1:1 copy of mouse movement, the difference would be clear ingame and be a requirement for competetive gaming.
XeroTheBigBoss TeamPlayers EoN. 572	Posted - 2013.06.27 21:45:00 - [60] - Quote BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG wrote: TC you should try using a M&K on this game lol its horrible.. It's horrible IF you aren't accustomed to using a KB/M. It takes a lot of time to accustom yourself to using just your thumbs or all your fingers. Most of the top players are KB/M. It's just like FGC(Fighting Game Community) You got pads (controller) vs Stick (Arcade fight sticks) The guys who are used to controller and their thumbs doing most the work use pad. The guys who are used to using most their fingers use fight stick. Only difference is in FGC one doesn't have advantages over the other in anything. Perhaps slightly movement but that's even state of mind. Here in Dust the keyboard can sprint while strafing, controller can't.



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