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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:23:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:You mouse/KB users have a clear advantage vs us console gamers. You can't aim as fast and precise with an analog stick as with a mouse. With a keyboard is easier to strafe and jump while shooting at the same time with the mouse.
This a CONSOLE game having mouse/KB support is a huge mistake. The majority of the new players are console gamers which get owned 1vs1 because they're using a DS3. The console and PC community will NEVER be able to unified because both controllers are entirely DIFFERENT.
Different in that one is clearly better at shooting things than the other. I'm actually glad your kind got nerfed with Uprising srsly. But I'm afraid your aiming will get fixed to being again PC pro vs console noob.
-XOXO
Forgot to mention they can Strafe left to right exploiting sprint speed for strafe. I think if you die with a KB/M you are horrible it's practically god mode.
EDIT- I actually have a post I am trying to fight in balancing KB and Controller join the fight and anybody else who is tired of some KB having a clear cut advantage. STOP KB SPRINT STRAFE. TODAY! |
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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:30:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:You mouse/KB users have a clear advantage vs us console gamers. You can't aim as fast and precise with an analog stick as with a mouse. With a keyboard is easier to strafe and jump while shooting at the same time with the mouse.
This a CONSOLE game having mouse/KB support is a huge mistake. The majority of the new players are console gamers which get owned 1vs1 because they're using a DS3. The console and PC community will NEVER be able to unified because both controllers are entirely DIFFERENT.
Different in that one is clearly better at shooting things than the other. I'm actually glad your kind got nerfed with Uprising srsly. But I'm afraid your aiming will get fixed to being again PC pro vs console noob.
-XOXO Forgot to mention they can Strafe left to right exploiting sprint speed for strafe. I think if you die with a KB/M you are horrible it's practically god mode. EDIT- I actually have a post I am trying to fight in balancing KB and Controller join the fight and anybody else who is tired of some KB having a clear cut advantage. STOP KB SPRINT STRAFE. TODAY! This is simply not true. The strafe speed is the same and you get much less degrees of control on your movement with only four keys as opposed to an analog stick
I beg to differ sir. Fight a heavy using Keyboard than fight one using controller. You can ALWAYS spot a keyboard player because their sprint speed is greatly increased compared to a controller player. I knew PA Capone and Spongly were KB before I knew! Lol I could tell by the speed they have left to right. Plus I have had friends tell me KB users can hold down Shift and strafe back and forth with sprint speed. Trust me gunfight Cubs than gun fight Spongely or PA you will notice a great increase in their speed going left to right. |
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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:35:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:King Kobrah wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:You mouse/KB users have a clear advantage vs us console gamers. You can't aim as fast and precise with an analog stick as with a mouse. With a keyboard is easier to strafe and jump while shooting at the same time with the mouse.
This a CONSOLE game having mouse/KB support is a huge mistake. The majority of the new players are console gamers which get owned 1vs1 because they're using a DS3. The console and PC community will NEVER be able to unified because both controllers are entirely DIFFERENT.
Different in that one is clearly better at shooting things than the other. I'm actually glad your kind got nerfed with Uprising srsly. But I'm afraid your aiming will get fixed to being again PC pro vs console noob.
-XOXO Forgot to mention they can Strafe left to right exploiting sprint speed for strafe. I think if you die with a KB/M you are horrible it's practically god mode. EDIT- I actually have a post I am trying to fight in balancing KB and Controller join the fight and anybody else who is tired of some KB having a clear cut advantage. STOP KB SPRINT STRAFE. TODAY! This is simply not true. The strafe speed is the same and you get much less degrees of control on your movement with only four keys as opposed to an analog stick I beg to differ sir. Fight a heavy using Keyboard than fight one using controller. You can ALWAYS spot a keyboard player because their sprint speed is greatly increased compared to a controller player. I knew PA Capone and Spongly were KB before I knew! Lol I could tell by the speed they have left to right. Plus I have had friends tell me KB users can hold down Shift and strafe back and forth with sprint speed. Trust me gunfight Cubs than gun fight Spongely or PA you will notice a great increase in their speed going left to right. might only be the case for heavies, i've never seen anyone strafe at sprint speed before. controller is vastly better for strafing otherwise, heavies have had bugged keyboard strafe since chromosone iirc
Nope, not just for heavies. If you fight a controller assault than fight a Kohmplex you will see Kohmplex moves super fast left to right compared to a controller assault. Again I knew he was KB before I knew. All by reading the speed of his left to right.
EDIT- Ever fight Nyain San? A few of them moved left to right at almost impossible to hit speeds. The ones I am thinking of were Scouts. Don't remember names though unfortunately |
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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:39:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Nope, not just for heavies. If you fight a controller assault than fight a Kohmplex you will see Kohmplex moves super fast left to right compared to a controller assault. Again I knew he was KB before I knew. All by reading the speed of his left to right. I found keyboard strafing to be so bad that I switched to using both a controller and mouse at the same time. I have never noticed assaults strafing faster than they should be in this build.
If you really look for it you will see it. It is so bad now I can clearly tell who is who. Obviously if a KB wanted to cover this up they would just not hold the Sprint down. IN a clutch situation though or in pubs and they don't know you are looking for it they will reveal it to you. Kohmplex strafes left to right pretty fast for a Assault. You just have to be looking for it is all.
EDIT- In case somebody is like oh he is QQing about Kohm. He is the only one that I can think of that I gun fought recently and have gun fought on many different occasions. I am not sure if Nikia is KB or Controller. I never really noticed him doing crazy left to right so I am gonna say controller. IF I am right gunfight Nikia than gunfight Kohmplex you will notice it. I use Nikia only cause he's the only caldari Assault I can think of off the top of my head. |
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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:45:00 -
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BOOOGERTRON BORTZORG wrote:TC you should try using a M&K on this game lol its horrible..
It's horrible IF you aren't accustomed to using a KB/M. It takes a lot of time to accustom yourself to using just your thumbs or all your fingers. Most of the top players are KB/M.
It's just like FGC(Fighting Game Community) You got pads (controller) vs Stick (Arcade fight sticks) The guys who are used to controller and their thumbs doing most the work use pad. The guys who are used to using most their fingers use fight stick. Only difference is in FGC one doesn't have advantages over the other in anything. Perhaps slightly movement but that's even state of mind.
Here in Dust the keyboard can sprint while strafing, controller can't. |
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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:47:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:argue 1 way or another on this, KB/M support is crucial to this games survival...
and no I don't use KB/M. yes when working properly KB/M is a distinct advantage, even in its broken state it has an advantage, but you wont be seeing support for it removed... Dust, long term, is going to rely on its EvE players, none of which would even know how to hold a controller, much less be any good with it.
the niche this game has atm is that is DOES support KB/M
if you wanna QQ about KB/M u need to work to balance it vs the DS3, not try to remove it cause that just aint gonna happen lolwut? How is kb/m support crucial to a game where a vast majority are DS3 users? I thought you were one of the more sensible players given how long you've been playing but thats a sad reason to defend kb/m support. I for one support kb funcionality for ease of chat control when voice chat is not an option but feel like mouse has no place in a console game unless the kb/m was a requirement so everyone would be on equal footing. Anyone who says DS3 is better than kb/m is just lying to themselves, if and when CCP manages to do a 1:1 copy of mouse movement, the difference would be clear ingame and be a requirement for competetive gaming.
Lol! You seriously think most of the community in Dust is PS3 players? Keep dreaming... |
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Posted - 2013.06.27 21:54:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:You know this thread makes me think, a lot of the EVE fanboys are the ones using a keyboard and mouse and have said they would quit if it was removed
And that makes me think of all their "great" feedback that has helped put the game in its current state with nerfs across the board due to their cries of OP
Now these things together lead me to ask, in the long term is losing those players a bad thing
Line up to the left single file to start QQing
It really is a bad thing because most of Dust is EVE players. I know a lot of us like to think we are mostly PS3 players but it's not the case. Most of the people in this community are Eve/PC players. So if those players quit we will have maybe 1500 players left. |
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Posted - 2013.06.27 22:06:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Delta 749 wrote:You know this thread makes me think, a lot of the EVE fanboys are the ones using a keyboard and mouse and have said they would quit if it was removed
And that makes me think of all their "great" feedback that has helped put the game in its current state with nerfs across the board due to their cries of OP
Now these things together lead me to ask, in the long term is losing those players a bad thing
Line up to the left single file to start QQing It really is a bad thing because most of Dust is EVE players. I know a lot of us like to think we are mostly PS3 players but it's not the case. Most of the people in this community are Eve/PC players. So if those players quit we will have maybe 1500 players left. I know, Im just bored and half assing being provocative You know what I do find funny though, for all of EVE players talk about how New Eden is a harsh place and you need to harden up to survive they sure do whine a lot about this or that or whatever killed them being OP
They only like it harsh when they are on top. |
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