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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.06.26 23:18:00 -
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Once all of the heavy and light suits are released they should do a global respec again.. for sure. no doubt.
For 1.2 though? I don't think anyone is asking that.. they aren't releasing anything relevant that would require a respec. |
Eriknaught
Vader's Taco Shack
10
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Posted - 2013.06.27 01:10:00 -
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CAELAN Andoril wrote:I'm sorry, but your opinion is bullshit, and let me tell you why.
As of the last respec, I became an Assault after being primarily a Heavy for a long time. Why? Because they released racial variants of the Assault suits. I'm going full Minmatar, and the only thing close to what I wanted was the Minmatar Assault. So I ran with that. I don't know much about the new update [as soon as I got new games, I find I've been playing DUST less and less], but if it's bringing in new content, like new weapons or new suits, then there better be a respec. Because I'm not an Assault by choice. I refuse to invest in Amarr gear on principle, because I'm into my character, because I want to enjoy this game. As soon as the Minmatar Heavy goes live, if I don't already get a respec, you can expect me here on the forums demanding one, because that's all I've wanted from the beginning: my preferred racial variant of the Heavy suit.
Honestly, if CCP didn't want to hear a bunch of people complaining for respecs or refits, then they should have finished the game before releasing it.
Just save SP for Minmatar Heavy. If they release it 1.3 (don't quote me there, just using an example), you' have like 1milSP to put into it on PASSIVE SP alone. Thus, no need to Respec. If you do this, you'll have Minmatar Heavy/Sentinel AND a good Minmatar Assault build for when you need a change of pace. Side note: You shouldn't ever feel like you should HAVE to go Amarr, kitten the kitten outta those Mother-kittens. That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION. |
Aeon Amadi
Unkn0wn Killers
1653
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:51:00 -
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CAELAN Andoril wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Your opinion of myopinion being bullshit is just that - an opinion. I want to roll a Crusader suit or even a Sentinel, hell the Commando looks cool too. Im not bitching, wanna know why?
Because Ive still got Engineering 4/5 and a multitude of other skills that Ineed to get the most out of them. Instead of whining that the content isnt there, why dont you prepare for its use? Theres no way you have all of your Upgrade skills and two Weapon skills (all of them) to five, so work on that. Otherwise, youre just complaining because you cant have your toy when its not ready. No, you're not paying attention. These are things that should have been there in the beginning. Hell, I'm not even talking about the super-specialised bullshit. There are no Gallente Heavy suits, no Amarr Light suits, so on. Those are things that should have been there before they even went to beta. We're talking about core suits that drastically affect gameplay. Honestly, the weapons I don't really care about. You spec into whatever new toy, new gadgetry, whatever, that's your choice. It could be useful, it might not. But suits are everything in this game. The minute they release a brand new suit, they shouldn't be upset that everyone want a reset, hell, they should expect and allow it, as that is a major change in gameplay. Suits and their roles massively affect the dynamics of the battlefield, and one of the issues this game is suffering from is a lack of variation. Everyone and their grandmother is in a Medium frame, with a minority working in either Heavy or Light. These are things CCP needs to do in order to keep DUST afloat. I haven't played this game in over a week, I've got newer, better games to play. The only reason why I keep coming back is they have a good concept, but they royally screwed their execution. I've tried defending this game to others for a while, but I'm done. I'm tired of the imbalance, I'm tired of the lack of content. The only defence I ever had for this game was that it was in beta, and as of May, they took that away. They have no excuses now. This is a barely functional game, and I regret supporting CCP for it. If they want to turn this into the game that it deserves, they need to cut the bullshit and start coming up with content: full racial variants for suits, racial variants for vehicles [with higher tiers!], in-game events and interactions that actually make you feel like you're affecting a universe, rather than playing a ****-poor lobby shooter. Because this game is in its death throes. I've seen it before in other games and other communities. A community gets together, they talk, they have fun, but as more people realise the game isn't well done, or well supported, they slowly turn on each other, and the entire community turns caustic, before everyone remembers that all of their angst, all of their frustration is because of a stupid game. It's plain and simple. As it is now, this is just a lobby shooter with a sci-fi twist. There's some meta-gaming aspect to it, but I've yet to see it actually affect anything meaningful. And guys, let's face it, there's other shooters out there. Better shooters. So why are we playing this?
Ifyou dont like the game, dont play it. Some ofus notice the issues and still think its a good game. As far as your problem, it sounds vaguely like the teenagers on Sweet Sixteen complaining that they wanted a white iPhone and not a black one. I mean listen to yourself, yeah it sucks not being able to play the Heavy but your argument is just whiny and as much as you complain about me not listening you didnt read a word I said. Ill make it brief for you:
The suit is only as good as the skills behind it and that means its only as good as the user. Youre putting all your faith in thesuit itself and pretty much saying thatno amount of secondary skills are going to help. Something tells me youre like the guy above andsaying its broken because of the militia variant... |
Aeon Amadi
Unkn0wn Killers
1653
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:52:00 -
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Geth Massredux wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Alright listen.. You got your respec, a few of thought the respec idea was stupid/silly post release but we looked past it.. But Im going to get this out on the board..
You cant be serious in asking for -ANOTHER- respec after 1.2, I mean seriously this is a lesson youre going to just have to learn and accept. You made a mistake, and fixed it by going with the flavor ofthe month. Noone forced you to go with what we all knew was going to inevitably get fixed. New armor modules coming out probably wont even touch the whopping issues with Shield vs Armor tanking in infantry considering the Ferroscale - having no speed reductions - will probably get used by shield tankers anyway.
So, no. This player doesnt think you should have your hand held through every update. Just because new materials come out doesnt mean you cansuddenly change your mind on things, nor because it was nerfed when we knew it was going to anyway. You should have tosave up SP for your new toy like the rest of us. I made some stupid decisions (Medium Frame V thinking it affected the Assault bonus ala Eve) but I manned up and moved on.
As much as I give people **** for saying it thisis truly an issue where you should HTFU and be proud of your stupid decisions. Plus its more rewarding when you work for it. This isnt minecraft with hacks, youre in it for the long run kiddo. Oh looks like another person is taking it to the heart about respecs... Didnt know you were a CCP but Kisser... Get over it, its a game, if they ask for a respec they ask for, CCP will tell them no, continue to earn skills over time, blah blah blah. Your thread and the other threads will be forgoten about, give or take 2 or 3 days... No point preaching to the gamers... LOL - Geth
Geth shut up with your terrible trolling if youre not even going to contribute to the topic. For real, it gets oldseeing your name and nothing coming from it.
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Aeon Amadi
Unkn0wn Killers
1653
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Posted - 2013.06.27 15:56:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:CAELAN Andoril wrote:I'm sorry, but your opinion is bullshit, and let me tell you why.
As of the last respec, I became an Assault after being primarily a Heavy for a long time. Why? Because they released racial variants of the Assault suits. I'm going full Minmatar, and the only thing close to what I wanted was the Minmatar Assault. So I ran with that. I don't know much about the new update [as soon as I got new games, I find I've been playing DUST less and less], but if it's bringing in new content, like new weapons or new suits, then there better be a respec. Because I'm not an Assault by choice. I refuse to invest in Amarr gear on principle, because I'm into my character, because I want to enjoy this game. As soon as the Minmatar Heavy goes live, if I don't already get a respec, you can expect me here on the forums demanding one, because that's all I've wanted from the beginning: my preferred racial variant of the Heavy suit.
Honestly, if CCP didn't want to hear a bunch of people complaining for respecs or refits, then they should have finished the game before releasing it. Your opinion of myopinion being bullshit is just that - an opinion. I want to roll a Crusader suitw or even a Sentinel, hell the Commando looks cool too. Im not bitching, wanna know why? Because Ive still got Engineering 4/5 and a multitude of other skills that Ineed to get the most out of them. Instead of whining that the content isnt there, why dont you prepare for its use? Theres no way you have all of your Upgrade skills and two Weapon skills (all of them) to five, so work on that. Otherwise, youre just complaining because you cant have your toy when its not ready. Go get a MLT heavy suit and a standard HMG and see how long you last in it. Then come here to the forums and tell people how they should save their SP for when the other heavies are added. Or how they should sink SP into core skills. Playing as a heavy in a MLT suit isnt only not fun, its depressing. 506 shield and 380 armor with 1H/1L. Good luck there bud.
I do play a heavy on my alt character. I use the Standard Heavy Frame and always have a positive KDR despite having nothing but militia modules and the character is no longer in the instant battle academy.
Wanna know why the Militia Heavy sucks? Because its a militia heavy. 18,000 orso SP and youve got a 405/405 suit with 1H/2L.
Seriously, dont ever base your opinion of a role on the weakest gear. Itjust makes you look ignorant.
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CAELAN Andoril
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2013.06.27 23:17:00 -
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Aeon Amad wrote:iIfyou dont like the game, dont play it. Some ofus notice the issues and still think its a good game. As far as your problem, it sounds vaguely like the teenagers on Sweet Sixteen complaining that they wanted a white iPhone and not a black one. I mean listen to yourself, yeah it sucks not being able to play the Heavy but your argument is just whiny and as much as you complain about me not listening you didnt read a word I said. Ill make it brief for you:
The suit is only as good as the skills behind it and that means its only as good as the user. Youre putting all your faith in thesuit itself and pretty much saying thatno amount of secondary skills are going to help. Something tells me youre like the guy above andsaying its broken because of the militia variant...
You are still not listening to me. I actually said that I've stopped playing this game because I was tired of it being an unfinished mess. And I never said that the suit itself will support you. It's a FPS, of course player skill will have an effect on how well you play. What I'm saying is that they haven't even implemented major roles that effects the overall balance of the game. They've had seven goddamn years to make this game, and this is what they have to show for it. These aren't minor issues, they are major, glaring problems. With the PS4 launching this holiday season with a handful of free-to-play shooters with it, CCP needs to get their **** in gear or they'll have a game with no players to play it. It's as simple as that. |
Aeon Amadi
Unkn0wn Killers
1658
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:24:00 -
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CAELAN Andoril wrote:Aeon Amad wrote:iIfyou dont like the game, dont play it. Some ofus notice the issues and still think its a good game. As far as your problem, it sounds vaguely like the teenagers on Sweet Sixteen complaining that they wanted a white iPhone and not a black one. I mean listen to yourself, yeah it sucks not being able to play the Heavy but your argument is just whiny and as much as you complain about me not listening you didnt read a word I said. Ill make it brief for you:
The suit is only as good as the skills behind it and that means its only as good as the user. Youre putting all your faith in thesuit itself and pretty much saying thatno amount of secondary skills are going to help. Something tells me youre like the guy above andsaying its broken because of the militia variant... You are still not listening to me. I actually said that I've stopped playing this game because I was tired of it being an unfinished mess. And I never said that the suit itself will support you. It's a FPS, of course player skill will have an effect on how well you play. What I'm saying is that they haven't even implemented major roles that effects the overall balance of the game. They've had seven goddamn years to make this game, and this is what they have to show for it. These aren't minor issues, they are major, glaring problems. With the PS4 launching this holiday season with a handful of free-to-play shooters with it, CCP needs to get their **** in gear or they'll have a game with no players to play it. It's as simple as that.
Im not exactly convinced considering youresticking around to doomsay it up on the forums... We gave you a solution and youre just shying away from it, soclets just agree to disagree. You go play typewriter FPS 9000 and Ill play Dust. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
2935
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Posted - 2013.06.28 03:59:00 -
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There will always be that one person in the crowd who just wants to be needy for no reason. |
Eriknaught
Vader's Taco Shack
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Posted - 2013.06.29 21:19:00 -
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I'm not concerned with "replay value" in Dust. I am however concerned that a noob screwing up some skills, which we all know will happen, decides to quit instead of spending three months to recover from stupid click.
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I've saying that there should be a "are you sure?", "are you REALLY sure?", "Ok, this is your last warning and here's a complete run-down of everything this skill will affect. ARE YOU SURE?" feature. Would it be moderately annoying? Kitten yes it would, but it would help fix the problem. Also a certain period of time to "test" the skill would be sweet, don't like it? Take the points back. That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION. |
RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
201
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Posted - 2013.06.30 05:08:00 -
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Y'know what? A lot of these problems can be solved by having MLT gear of everything. To the bloke who refuses to go Amarr Heavy Skill one level into it. That's what I'm doing. It's only what? ~50-60k SP? |
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
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Posted - 2013.06.30 05:21:00 -
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Konohamaru Sarutobi wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Alright listen.. You got your respec, a few of thought the respec idea was stupid/silly post release but we looked past it.. But Im going to get this out on the board..
You cant be serious in asking for -ANOTHER- respec after 1.2, I mean seriously this is a lesson youre going to just have to learn and accept. You made a mistake, and fixed it by going with the flavor ofthe month. Noone forced you to go with what we all knew was going to inevitably get fixed. New armor modules coming out probably wont even touch the whopping issues with Shield vs Armor tanking in infantry considering the Ferroscale - having no speed reductions - will probably get used by shield tankers anyway.
So, no. This player doesnt think you should have your hand held through every update. Just because new materials come out doesnt mean you cansuddenly change your mind on things, nor because it was nerfed when we knew it was going to anyway. You should have tosave up SP for your new toy like the rest of us. I made some stupid decisions (Medium Frame V thinking it affected the Assault bonus ala Eve) but I manned up and moved on.
As much as I give people **** for saying it thisis truly an issue where you should HTFU and be proud of your stupid decisions. Plus its more rewarding when you work for it. This isnt minecraft with hacks, youre in it for the long run kiddo. Sorry buddy but CCP is forcing people to go with the fat heavy Amarr (for example) or save your sp for what, let me see, they took like 3 months to fix something that they already had pretty well in the last build, so yeah, save your sp for 2 years (maybe) to use something that you want. Yes, I'm sorry because I'm telling you this, CCP is forcing you. The "new content" that they say will support the game for 10 years, is the basic content that it musted to be here when the game went relase. They relased the half (maybe I'm too good saying half) of the game as a "full relase" even without the possibility of use any race that you want. But yeah, they're forcing you, forcing me, forcing Yoda, they're forcing all.
So, wow, you mean CCP logs on to your account and spends your SP? They aren't forcing you to do ****, kid.
No more respecs. Bank your SP, diversify. |
dday3six
Intrepidus XI Omega Commission
35
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Posted - 2013.06.30 06:03:00 -
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The sad truth is, whether respecs are added to the game or not is going to depend on which option would makes CCP more money. |
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