Just curious.

Personally,I will be done if this game isn't much improved and if the player base has dropped below 3k on a regular basis,by the time PS4 comes out.

Sorry,but with a game that's supposed to be as huge as it's supposed to be,I really don't see any point in fighting with that low amount of players,and I get the feeling that a lot of other people will do the same thing.

I'm still hoping for the best,but CCP is going to have pull a Hail Mary out of their rear ends at this point,to attract new players or players that tried it and didn't like it and left to never return.

I'm hoping that they can get the game straight and we can have at least 10-12K on per night.

Only time will tell now.

The thing that will kill it for me is if CCP bows to the idiots and takes the nerf-hammer to everything people QQ over. But I don't think CCP will do that.

I will drop this game like a bad habit the moment a PC client is announced.

I have to be honest,I'm not sure that Dust would be any better on PC.Sure it would LOOK better,but there are so many in game assets missing,core mechanic issue,and balancing issue that I don't think you can totally put that at the feet of the hardware and not look at the devs themselves as the problem.

Unless they use a different engine for PC,I'm just not totally convinced that it would be that much better.

The thing that will kill it for me is if CCP bows to the idiots and takes the nerf-hammer to everything people QQ over. But I don't think CCP will do that.

I'm pretty much done with it, myself. The game sucks so bad, I haven't even wasted time spending my respec SP. Where's MAG 2 when we need it.

The sad thing is, I actually enjoyed the game with the previous builds. I thought CCP did ok but then they broke Dust with Uprising.

I already deleted client upon news of 1.2

I'm pretty much done with it, myself. The game sucks so bad, I haven't even wasted time spending my respec SP. Where's MAG 2 when we need it.

The sad thing is, I actually enjoyed the game with the previous builds. I thought CCP did ok but then they broke Dust with Uprising.

As soon as optional respecs become available (whether for free or for sale), I will dump Dust into the trash bin like dust.

What was it about 1.2 that made you delete Dust already?

As soon as optional respecs become available (whether for free or for sale), I will dump Dust into the trash bin like dust.

As soon as optional respecs become available (whether for free or for sale), I will dump Dust into the trash bin like dust.

Now this is a stance Ive always been curious about, why are some people so vehemently against respecs?

I thrive on Doom N' Gloom. Keep it up, it nourishes me.

Dont't forget to give me all your ISK before you go!


The only thing that can stop me from playing this game is CCP pulling the plug definitively.

Even if I'm the last standing Merc, I will go on! I would take all the districts for myself... They would all be mine... MINE... MINE!!!

I think its an Eve thing...you live with your choices and all that...which imho would be all fine and dandy if I had any choices

Ok so its the whole "Your choices matter and have consequences" thing again but that just leads me to another question, how is having to pay to correct a mistake not a consequence of making said mistake?

Whether it's an updated forum post addressing the issue or correspondence to the support ticket, if I don't at least receive some word from CCP in regards to being skipped over in the most recent respec batch, I'm done.

Im at the other end of the spectrum. If CCP refuses to adapt to the console fps genre and decides to be stubborn, I will likely grow bored of the same thing month in and month out, and Ill be out.

did you submit the ticket before may 29th ?

That's a problem with the skill tree; not a lack of respecs. It's because the SP you invest is useless if you decide to train something else. It often makes the user feel like he/she wasted his/her SP if they diversify. The 7m SP you might have in Assault Rifles is useless if you want to even start using Shotguns, much less specialize.

This is completely opposite to a good skill system like EVE's, where diversifying is desirable once you finish your core specialization (the concept of specialization in EVE was a piece of new player advice, not game design).

If you'll allow me to diverge for a moment here, I'd like to give an example of a better system - I might make a separate thread about this that goes more into detail.

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A solution is to only have one skill per weapon that exclusively affects it; operation skills should affect a given size or type of weapon, and the Reload/CPU/PG/Ammo skills become global. This is very much like EVE; why fix what ain't broke.

For example:

Light Hybrid Weapon Operation
-+5% bonus per level to Light Hybrid Handheld weapon damage.
GùÿUnlocks:
GùïStandard Light Hybrid Weapons at level 1.
GùïAdvanced Light Hybrid Weapons at level 3.
GùïHeavy Hybrid Weapon Operation at level 3.
GùïLight Hybrid Weapon Specializations at level 5.
GùÿPrerequisites:
GùïLevel 3 Weaponry.
GùïLevel 3 Sidearm Hybrid Weapon Operation.

GÇóReplaces ALL the [weapon] Specialization skills for hybrid weapons (AR, Shotgun, Plasma Canon, etc...).
GÇóSpecialization skills replaced by current Operation skills (e.g. AR accuracy; shotgun reload).

Such a revamp would mean you can specialize in a given type of weaponry, in this case Light Hybrids, and then put extra points into the individual weapons (it's only one skill per weapon instead of 5) that you prefer within that group without feeling that you're wasting huge amounts of SP. You can freely try weapons within that group and make better informed decisions about which one you want to pick next.

For example: You're specialized in ARs. Your AR specialization means you've been using Prototype ARs, but you're wondering if you should take the leap into Shotguns. Since you already have Light Hybrids 5, you can instantly try the ADV Shotguns - complete with the 25% damage bonus from Light Hybrids 5 that your AR benefited from - and all that's between that and PRO Shotguns is the Shotgun Specialization skill.
Holy poop it's so much less painful and you don't feel cheated out of your SP because if it turns out you don't like Shotguns, you can try any of the other Light Hybrid weapons, no SP wasted!

Adding another group to your specialization pool costs more SP than an individual weapon - this reinforces racial specialization and introduces the concept of cross-training from EVE - but only has you retrain one particular set of 1-3 skills (again, less than the 5 per weapon we currently have). If you decide that you don't like projectile weapons, you can stop early, but you still got to try ALL of the projectile weapons within a given size; so the chances of you not liking any of them is much lower.

I might go more into detail about how a given skill tree using this system might look; but that's for another time.

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So I'm with Maken on this one; the moment we get periodical SP respecs is the moment I'm out. And my reason for that is that CCP can change the Skill system to one where respecs aren't required or as desired.

however CCP wants to make grinding weapons tedious and even boring to sell AUR.

As soon as optional respecs become available (whether for free or for sale), I will dump Dust into the trash bin like dust.

As soon as optional respecs become available (whether for free or for sale), I will dump Dust into the trash bin like dust.

Ding ding ding ding ding

WE HAVE A WINNER

I think it has something to do with their partnership with Sony. Sony wants to use DUST as an experiment for getting the f2p platform working well on their console before they really go full into it. They couldn't care less whether DUST succeeds or not, because they've got some killer titles coming down the pipe.

Obviously they want it to do well, so everyone can make some motha fuckin' money, but I just see this whole thing as one big economic experiment.

^ exactly this
and i will pull the plug on everything from CCP even my 9 year old eve accounts.

Deadline for me is the day I get my PS4. I am not a legacy player I do not keep my old consoles. Dust would need to be a lot more fun by this deadline for me to keep my PS3 on.

Honestly what amuses me the most is EVE players coming in here and rambling on about principles, when they come from a game that actively encourages you to lie, cheat, steal, and generally be an intergallactic douchebag.

To me uprising feels like a beta build, the templar event felt like a beta event. This game should still be in beta, it was never ready for release. As much as i love CCP this was the worse release I've ever experienced in video game.

This game won't recover player count wise. I don't ever recall a game getting bad press, word of mouth by playets saying the game is horrible. PS4 around the corner some good games coming down the pipe line. Dust will be left with the beta players.

To me uprising feels like a beta build, the templar event felt like a beta event. This game should still be in beta, it was never ready for release. As much as i love CCP this was the worse release I've ever experienced in video game.

I wish CCP good luck in the future with this project. I don't see it recovering the word is out that the game is bad.

Just curious.

Personally,I will be done if this game isn't much improved and if the player base has dropped below 3k on a regular basis,by the time PS4 comes out.

Sorry,but with a game that's supposed to be as huge as it's supposed to be,I really don't see any point in fighting with that low amount of players,and I get the feeling that a lot of other people will do the same thing.

I'm still hoping for the best,but CCP is going to have pull a Hail Mary out of their rear ends at this point,to attract new players or players that tried it and didn't like it and left to never return.

I'm hoping that they can get the game straight and we can have at least 10-12K on per night.

Only time will tell now.

^ exactly this
and i will pull the plug on everything from CCP even my 9 year old eve accounts.

And DUST doesn't?

Please, tell me more.

What do you mean for Good?

Are you saying that if 4 years after the PS4 comes out DUST in greatly improved and has 40,000 people on in peak times you still will not come back?

Actually I'm down with respecs...but they need to be limited to a certain amount of skill points and free (agree completely on that). I would like it to either be measured in time playing rewards (every 4 months = 0.5 to 1 million SP Liquidity?) or something given for every 2 million SP earned (every 2 million unlocks an optional respec on 20-30% of those points)

I believe this feature would prove desirable for people as life here progresses and more skills/equipment avails itself. Not much different than Attributes shifts in Eve

The only 'Metagame" in dust right now is between a few corps in PC (which is minor at best), spies everywhere (loleve), and how quickly you can click X to get into the game.

There's no reason to lie cheat or steal in this game because there's nothing to gain from it.

Aside from being a douchebag.

You can gain that from it.

The game isn't bad, they made some mistakes releasing the game with a completely new build. They should of released after they made sure this 1.2 fixed all of the core issues that have plagued Uprising.

They can fix it, but they still need a lot of work on new player retention. The console FPS people CCP has hired need to lock the Eve folks in a closet for a few months.

straying from the vision to target more casuals and noobs than they have already

interesting question. much debate in that. My guess is maybe because some people could respec every week and not really notice any damage to their funds , thereby having no consequences feeling

The ability to respec (whether by paying or not) will severely lessen the gravity of any choices made with respect to skill points.

Limiting logis to sidearms will make me quit for good. No point in running around with 250k+ fittings if all I'm going to do is pad a bunch of whiner's KDR. Even with a severely underrated Ishukone SMG, it's not worth the trouble.

Maybe for hardcore combat consider running something other than a logistics suit?

I thrive on Doom N' Gloom. Keep it up, it nourishes me.

Dont't forget to give me all your ISK before you go!


The only thing that can stop me from playing this game is CCP pulling the plug definitively.

Even if I'm the last standing Merc, I will go on! I would take all the districts for myself... They would all be mine... MINE... MINE!!!

Only me will make me quit You see all the forum doom & qq have 0 impact on the game. When i play i always enjoy it no matter how bad i perform. And majority of DUST players don't use this forums and have no clue about all that qq & doom mongering taking place.

@all threatening to quit DUST:
Do you have ballz to actually TERMINATE all your millions SP characters and not the client only? To really show the finger to CCP?

I bet you don't, because you will cut yourself off the forum access (and not be able to qq all over this place) and will not be able to try new toys when they show up every month

And while you still spam the forums with your whines just remember CCP allows you to still earn SP passively so you can come back and give a try to new gear. When you will be back to do just that, allow yourself to quietly say "thanx" To make life easier for you i bet the on-demand purchasable (or not) respecs will be here soon.

You may call me a fanboi if it makes you feel any better. I like when people are happy I wish you change your mind in DUST's favor. And the only reason for you to stop playing DUST will be just loosing interest in it, not because being enraged by it but because getting into another title and totally forgetting about DUST. Good luck And remember about all those passive SP your character will accrue no matter what game you play...