I feel bad for the OP..that scenario definitely sucks. But my empathy for you and all MD/Flaylock users only goes so far.

This is just my personal opinion and is not directed towards any particular player who chooses to use these weapons, its your ps3 and you can play which ever way you choose. I grew up playing shooters, the original Socom for ps2 was my first online shooter..and definitely left an impact on how I view shooters and the way they're played. Yes there were grenade launchers in the socom series (somewhat comparable to MD's..not as many grenades in a clip) but only noobs used them. Not saying you guys are noobs! A players skill was determined in gunfights. Anyone can use a grenade launcher and get a kill in that game..its not difficult to aim in someones general direction and launch a grenade at their feet to get the kill. And i kind of view MD/Flaylocks the same way on this game as well. Sure I could use them too...i choose not to because im playing a First person shooter...not a First person grenade launcher. I personally dont find it the least bit gratifying to spam somebody with projectile grenades and kill them. Id much rather get in a gunfight with somebody and win it because my aim is better..that's what does it for me.

No matter how many times i get killed by the flaylock or MD...ill never use it. To me, there's just something so unethical about playing with one in a FPS or any shooter. Perhaps its because ive played on a competitive level in all shooters ive played over the years..and the use of any kind of grenade other than those you threw with your hand was frowned upon.

Again, just my opinion...if you enjoy using MD/Flaylock..rock on. I just think its a cheap way of killing somebody.

You are judging the MD by the Grenade Launchers you knew from other games. The proverbial Noob Tub argument. This is common among players with experience in other FPS games, who have never bothered to use the MD themselves in DUST 514.

Even in the Open Beta when the MD was more powerful and did not have this bug, it was harder to kill someone with a MD than it was to kill them with an Assault Rifle. With the AR you just point and shoot. With the MD you have to do a trigonometry equation in your head to figure out how much to elevate your shot to get the charge to land anywhere close to your target, unless you where close up, in which case the challenge was to kill your opponent without killing yourself.

Any noob can pick up an Assault Riffle, point it at someone and pull the tricker to get a kill. Getting the kill with a Mass Driver is much more complicated than that. Of course people who used it a lot eventually got a feel for it and became very good at estimating the arch of the shells, but that still sort of invalidates your argument that it is easy, when it is only easy for the experts. Granted some people used it situationally from elevated positions to make the math less complicated, but there are situations where aiming an AR can be made less complicated as well.

From my experiences, the mass driver is the most difficult to use of any weapon I have used in DUST. I will grant you that you can sometimes kill multiple people in one shot if they all cluster together and you make the shot, but with a MD you normally just get a lot of assists without a lot of kills. It is meant to be an area denial weapon, and once this bug is fixed it will work well for that.

actually there have been a stealth update where they don't take damage within 3 sec of spawn ins even if cloak is broke

Damn, I'm going to feel awkward around you from now on. Not really, but I'll never feel bad about using a MD in a game where someone can use a tank to kill you.

So i get my respec, I am a Mass Driver in a Minnie Assault, with EXO, and a flaylock side.

So, I'm in a tight space against this other guy, right near his drop uplink to kill him. Well he comes out of it, I shoot out all my ammo from my Flaylock and Mass Driver. He's in militia gear, NOTHING HITS HIM. I have 25% added AOE bonus to Mass Drivers as well. I'm shooting the ground, it doesn't do anything.

He spawned, standing there, my flaylock aimed right onto him, didn't do damage, at all. Switched to my Mass Driver, shoot him with multiple clips, he's still alive, and he kills me. I have 600 hp! My nades wouldn't hurt him either.

So, I go back to that place, he's still there, i try it again, but now, guess what, he gets up in my face. I shoot him with my mass driver right on, it kills me, no damage to him

WOW, are you kidding me? Fix your f*cking explosives in this game they are utter f*cking sh*t!!!!!

You are judging the MD by the Grenade Launchers you knew from other games. The proverbial Noob Tub argument. This is common among players with experience in other FPS games, who have never bothered to use the MD themselves in DUST 514.

Even in the Open Beta when the MD was more powerful and did not have this bug, it was harder to kill someone with a MD than it was to kill them with an Assault Rifle. With the AR you just point and shoot. With the MD you have to do a trigonometry equation in your head to figure out how much to elevate your shot to get the charge to land anywhere close to your target, unless you where close up, in which case the challenge was to kill your opponent without killing yourself.

Any noob can pick up an Assault Riffle, point it at someone and pull the tricker to get a kill. Getting the kill with a Mass Driver is much more complicated than that. Of course people who used it a lot eventually got a feel for it and became very good at estimating the arch of the shells, but that still sort of invalidates your argument that it is easy, when it is only easy for the experts. Granted some people used it situationally from elevated positions to make the math less complicated, but there are situations where aiming an AR can be made less complicated as well.

From my experiences, the mass driver is the most difficult to use of any weapon I have used in DUST. I will grant you that you can sometimes kill multiple people in one shot if they all cluster together and you make the shot, but with a MD you normally just get a lot of assists without a lot of kills. It is meant to be an area denial weapon, and once this bug is fixed it will work well for that.

but if you miss to the left or right of somebody by a foot with half your clip..plenty of damage is dealt. AND you have the ability to direct hit somebody as well as do splash damage from landing your round in close proximity. AR's can only do damage from direct hits..taking more skill to use effectively than a mass driver. If you think pointing and shooting is all it takes...youre sadly mistaken. We have to deal with recoil and take that into consideration while shooting..adjusting your cursor during the gunfight to consistently land shots. You have to be versatile enough to be effective with your hip fire as well as your down the sight aiming.

I personally feel, and im sure many would agree, being in a gunfight where both players are strafing and hip firing is quite possibly one of, if not the most difficult thing to be really good at. If it were that easy, explain the dramatic kdr ratio differences between Assault Rifle users? If it were THAT easy to use an AR...why doesnt everyone who uses one have a really good kdr? And im not speaking on behalf of the MD/flaylock users using KDR as a baseline for skill...im only speaking about AR users.

@zbroadway

I agree with your noobtube arguement to a point. I never used one in anygame, except BF3 to take down vehicles. The reason people call it a noobtube tho, is because its a OHK weapon. Same reason people hate shotguns and snipers. The mass driver is far from that. It technically doesn't even shoot grenades, by dust standards at least.

Secondly, you don't have to lead with an AR in dust. So your "better aim" argument is also invalid. See you get a little read dot when you are one target. I actually have to lead with a mass driver, albiet to a larger target area. I would say it takes about the same "skill" to use both weapons.

Btw, your corp spams contact grenades. OMGTHESKILLZ!

Edit: you made a mass driver alt and did well. Congrats. Do you do better with an AR? I made an HAV alt and dominated pub matches using mlt fit with no skills into AR... is that supposed to mean something?

Double edit cus I sound like a prick now: your a good player z. Better than me. But I don't see how u get off saying that using an inferior weapon makes you less skilled...

Not everyone is equal z. Even if they both have an AR you know this. Each weapon has its niche as well.

Answer a question for me. If the AR is not easy mode, why is it most used? (Like the cal logi, contact grenades, llavs, and now flaylock)

It does take more precision to use an AR, you also have what? 60 bullets per clip to my 6? Plus a MUCH faster RoF.

Occasionally I do pop in tho. And I took your first comment to be kind or arrogant, and AoE users are scum kind of deal. It takes skill to use any weapon in the game. Tbh, I do much better with an AR. I run a true support logi, I like the playstyle, and the MD is simply the best weapon for that role. I like to be able to flush from cover, deny access at chokepoints, and occasionally rain some cheap death from a bridge or building.

only weapon that doesn't have aiming problems is the shotgun

It wasnt meant to be arrogant..and im sorry you took it that way. It had nothing to do with me thinking im a better player because I dont use one..or just thinking im a better player in general. I feel the same way about people who used laser rifles last build lol..idk maybe its just because i look at Any shooter FPS or TPS the same way and i always had the most respect for people who used ARs..definitely a personal perspective, not stemming from arrogance. Mass Drivers are very effective weapons in those scenarios you listed above...the truest Crowd control weapon on the game.