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Banning Hammer wrote:

Chibi Andy wrote:

Banning Hammer wrote:

Chibi Andy wrote:

but a heavy isnt all THAT bad, same could be said about the AR users, superior range compared to HMG, faster turning speed etc etc heck a HMG user would have to sprint a fair distance to get within range to actually hit you with the HMG all the while being shot at by an AR user.

it could be said that the sheer amount of AR users is also contributing to the slow death of this game due to everyone having the same stuff no variety. When everyone is running the same fit, same weapon its just like every other FPS game then why bother playing?

Seriously ... so how a LAV's / Heavies / Snipers is a FPS game ? You guys have no idea how stupid you sound some times.

im just saying some variety is a a good thing, but if everything is just down to AR's then whats the point?

and why the heavies? heavies are already crap to play with is there even a point to say that now scrubs use them even though most scrubs just suck as a heavy?

we could say that the game is dying due to all those murder taxi's as well.

edit: correction didnt see your previous posts about AR users leaving coz at the time your post wasn't shown so i didnt see it.

though there's still plenty of AR users playing and far less heavies What?

This crap is what "heavies" are being saying for ages, nerf the AR !! to many people likes the assault class !! That is why the AR / Assault class is nerfed in regular basics, and why soon only is going to be heavies playing this game, and why the player base is so low.

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Asher Night 187. League of Infamy 135	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:22:00 - [1] - Quote The "low swing" of this game. As if everything else wrong with it weren't enough. Pay attention to how many heavies you see. More specifically how many heavy machine guns. After my 10+ years of competitive online FPS gaming, I've noticed: The more heavy machine guns you see, the more a game is dieing. This is one of thee reasons I've always hated seeing it in a game. It doesn't matter how you try to balance it. Fundamentally, you give someone an option to have 100+ bullets that can kill instantly and increased health, the scrubs will always take it. Doesn't matter if you move slower - It's just an easier fit to use and get kills with. You all can call me crazy, I'm sure not many of you have the experience I have and have paid attention to the HMG throughout your online gaming, but I promise you - you can tell how quickly a game will die by how many players feel they need 100+ bullets and super health to get a kill. You won't pay attention to me right now, and I expect that, but just pay attention to it from now on. Note that I did not say they are OP, or that they kill me all the time or anything like that. EDIT: Ha! Hilarious! Didn't even see it before making the topic.
Roldrage Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 72	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:24:00 - [2] - Quote It's not that bad, they have health and a big gun but no range so it's kinda balanced imo
Asher Night 187. League of Infamy 135	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:25:00 - [3] - Quote Roldrage wrote: ...So this is a HMG QQ thread right? They're not that hard to deal with tbh. I did not say they are OP. I said pay attention to them.
Roldrage Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 72	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:26:00 - [4] - Quote Asher Night wrote: Roldrage wrote: ...So this is a HMG QQ thread right? They're not that hard to deal with tbh. I did not say they are OP. I said pay attention to them. I realised and changed my post
Imp Smash Seraphim Auxiliaries CRONOS. 139	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:27:00 - [5] - Quote I think they are a tad weak tbh.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 359	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:27:00 - [6] - Quote Asher Night wrote: The "low swing" of this game. As if everything else wrong with it weren't enough. Pay attention to how many heavies you see. More specifically how many heavy machine guns. After my 10+ years of competitive online FPS gaming, I've noticed: The more heavy machine guns you see, the more a game is dieing. This is one of thee reasons I've always hated seeing it in a game. It doesn't matter how you try to balance it. Fundamentally, you give someone an option to have 100+ bullets that can kill instantly and increased health, the scrubs will always take it. Doesn't matter if you move slower - It's just an easier fit to use and get kills with. You all can call me crazy, I'm sure not many of you have the experience I have and have paid attention to the HMG throughout your online gaming, but I promise you - you can tell how quickly a game will die by how many players feel they need 100+ bullets and super health to get a kill. You won't pay attention to me right now, and I expect that, but just pay attention to it from now on. Solution: Core flaylock pistol, Core locus grenade Problem solved. This game ain't goin anywhere soon, believe me
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2703	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:28:00 - [7] - Quote Asher Night wrote: The "low swing" of this game. As if everything else wrong with it weren't enough. Pay attention to how many heavies you see. More specifically how many heavy machine guns. After my 10+ years of competitive online FPS gaming, I've noticed: The more heavy machine guns you see, the more a game is dieing. This is one of thee reasons I've always hated seeing it in a game. It doesn't matter how you try to balance it. Fundamentally, you give someone an option to have 100+ bullets that can kill instantly and increased health, the scrubs will always take it. Doesn't matter if you move slower - It's just an easier fit to use and get kills with. You all can call me crazy, I'm sure not many of you have the experience I have and have paid attention to the HMG throughout your online gaming, but I promise you - you can tell how quickly a game will die by how many players feel they need 100+ bullets and super health to get a kill. You won't pay attention to me right now, and I expect that, but just pay attention to it from now on. You're insane - those heavies are easy kills. Heavies are the biggest joke class in the game right now. People are confused on what it is capable of and are now stuck with those choices - that's all. Check their KDR and you'll see very few get past 2. Half those LAV spams are heavies trying to be useful.
KEROSIINI-TERO Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 483	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:28:00 - [8] - Quote The numbers are far from their peak times. Also, Dust HMG works quite differently from other games - even tho what OP said about them being easier to get kills with _in their natural environment_.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2140	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:28:00 - [9] - Quote We had a crapload of HMG's back in January, the number died down as people realised how situational they were and other suits got tougher as sp levels and gear levels increased. The HMG is one of the best options at a low level but as you advance other options become more effective.
Asher Night 187. League of Infamy 136	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:29:00 - [10] - Quote Roldrage wrote: Asher Night wrote: Roldrage wrote: ...So this is a HMG QQ thread right? They're not that hard to deal with tbh. I did not say they are OP. I said pay attention to them. I realised and changed my post You are still insinuating that I am QQing about them. That implies that I have a problem with them the way they are. I don't have a problem with the HMG. I have a problem with the amount of people that choose that weapon and (lol) think it needs more power.


ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 438	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:30:00 - [11] - Quote So in other words, for a game to never die is to never add heavies, right?

Asher Night 187. League of Infamy 136	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:33:00 - [12] - Quote ChribbaX wrote: So in other words, for a game to never die is to never add heavies, right? Why would you just jump to conclusions like that? You and I both know the answer. Clearly what I'm saying is "it's a sign of the times". Please actually have a discussion and not sling presumptions around like that.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:39:00 - [13] - Quote Yep, same story with the LAV's. Once i said; that one day this game will be LAV's running around for free kills, snipers trying to kill the drivers from the red line, and heavies in every corner. Are we there yet ? i think we getting closer to it, you wait to after to day respec... you gonna have heavies and LAV's coming out of your ears.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 438	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:44:00 - [14] - Quote Asher Night wrote: ChribbaX wrote: So in other words, for a game to never die is to never add heavies, right? Why would you just jump to conclusions like that? You and I both know the answer. Clearly what I'm saying is "it's a sign of the times". Please actually have a discussion and not sling presumptions around like that. Just trying to come up with ideas to save this game now that the expert has spoken... and the first thought would be - don't add heavies.

Michael Arck sephiroth clones General Tso's Alliance 36	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:48:00 - [15] - Quote lol everyone on this forum is either Molyneaux or Pachter with their "observations" commentary. And you're correct, I'm not paying attention to you...
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 770	Posted - 2013.06.24 09:57:00 - [16] - Quote What's happening isn't that the heavies population is growing, but players are leaving to play other games and await the PS4 and as such, those classes which were overshadowed by the AR are now becoming more prominent, like the hidden portion of the shoreline at high tide which is slowly revealing itself at low tide. Even so, I'm not worried about heavies. If you think they're easy to get kills with despite their nearly non-existant mobility without the support of a logibro, then good. They need someone who believes in their ability.
N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis 474	Posted - 2013.06.24 10:01:00 - [17] - Quote As a heavy trust me the HMG is not super beastly. It's not even a problem to worry about, it's actually one of the most balanced guns in the game. Pros, Destroys in Close quarters combat. High fire rate Huge amount of ammo Cons short range. Long reload, slow to turn.Heavy on CPU/PG requirements. To be good with an HMG you need to set yourself up in engagements you know you can win, 1v1 in close quarters. Heavy will win 99% of the time. It's the other players fault if he allows him self to go into cqc with the knowing that a heavy could be there.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2013.06.24 10:03:00 - [18] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: What's happening isn't that the heavies population is growing, but players are leaving to play other games and await the PS4 and as such, those classes which were overshadowed by the AR are now becoming more prominent, like the hidden portion of the shoreline at high tide which is slowly revealing itself at low tide. Even so, I'm not worried about heavies. If you think they're easy to get kills with despite their nearly non-existant mobility without the support of a logibro, then good. They need someone who believes in their ability. AR users are leaving, two reasons for it ; - Aiming is not natural anymore, and Assaults get kill far to often because they can't aim accurately. - The AR is being Ninja nerf in regular basics, to the point that only the proto variants are any good.
SoTa PoP Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 2703	Posted - 2013.06.24 10:05:00 - [19] - Quote Have any of you taken the HMG to PC? Lol. If not you don't have an opinion on the weapon. Pub stomping - any weapon can do.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals 265	Posted - 2013.06.24 10:06:00 - [20] - Quote but a heavy isnt all THAT bad, same could be said about the AR users, superior range compared to HMG, faster turning speed etc etc heck a HMG user would have to sprint a fair distance to get within range to actually hit you with the HMG all the while being shot at by an AR user. it could be said that the sheer amount of AR users is also contributing to the slow death of this game due to everyone having the same stuff no variety. When everyone is running the same fit, same weapon its just like every other FPS game then why bother playing?

N1ck Comeau Pro Hic Immortalis 474	Posted - 2013.06.24 10:10:00 - [21] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: Have any of you taken the HMG to PC? Lol. If not you don't have an opinion on the weapon. Pub stomping - any weapon can do. I play in PC battles all the time, and if inside a complex or point defense with a logi, your unstoppable
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2013.06.24 10:11:00 - [22] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: but a heavy isnt all THAT bad, same could be said about the AR users, superior range compared to HMG, faster turning speed etc etc heck a HMG user would have to sprint a fair distance to get within range to actually hit you with the HMG all the while being shot at by an AR user. it could be said that the sheer amount of AR users is also contributing to the slow death of this game due to everyone having the same stuff no variety. When everyone is running the same fit, same weapon its just like every other FPS game then why bother playing? Seriously ... so how a LAV's / Heavies / Snipers is a FPS game ? You guys have no idea how stupid you sound some times.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals 265	Posted - 2013.06.24 10:18:00 - [23] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: but a heavy isnt all THAT bad, same could be said about the AR users, superior range compared to HMG, faster turning speed etc etc heck a HMG user would have to sprint a fair distance to get within range to actually hit you with the HMG all the while being shot at by an AR user. it could be said that the sheer amount of AR users is also contributing to the slow death of this game due to everyone having the same stuff no variety. When everyone is running the same fit, same weapon its just like every other FPS game then why bother playing? Seriously ... so how a LAV's / Heavies / Snipers is a FPS game ? You guys have no idea how stupid you sound some times. im just saying some variety is a a good thing, but if everything is just down to AR's then whats the point? and why the heavies? heavies are already crap to play with is there even a point to say that now scrubs use them even though most scrubs just suck as a heavy? we could say that the game is dying due to all those murder taxi's as well. edit: correction didnt see your previous posts about AR users leaving coz at the time your post wasn't shown so i didnt see it. though there's still plenty of AR users playing and far less heavies
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 48	Posted - 2013.06.24 10:24:00 - [24] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: but a heavy isnt all THAT bad, same could be said about the AR users, superior range compared to HMG, faster turning speed etc etc heck a HMG user would have to sprint a fair distance to get within range to actually hit you with the HMG all the while being shot at by an AR user. it could be said that the sheer amount of AR users is also contributing to the slow death of this game due to everyone having the same stuff no variety. When everyone is running the same fit, same weapon its just like every other FPS game then why bother playing? Seriously ... so how a LAV's / Heavies / Snipers is a FPS game ? You guys have no idea how stupid you sound some times. im just saying some variety is a a good thing, but if everything is just down to AR's then whats the point? and why the heavies? heavies are already crap to play with is there even a point to say that now scrubs use them even though most scrubs just suck as a heavy? we could say that the game is dying due to all those murder taxi's as well. edit: correction didnt see your previous posts about AR users leaving coz at the time your post wasn't shown so i didnt see it. though there's still plenty of AR users playing and far less heavies This crap is what "heavies" are being saying for ages, nerf the AR !! to many people likes the assault class !! That is why the AR / Assault class is nerfed in regular basics, and why soon only is going to be heavies playing this game, and why the player base is so low.
Chibi Andy Forsaken Immortals 266	Posted - 2013.06.24 10:31:00 - [25] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Chibi Andy wrote: but a heavy isnt all THAT bad, same could be said about the AR users, superior range compared to HMG, faster turning speed etc etc heck a HMG user would have to sprint a fair distance to get within range to actually hit you with the HMG all the while being shot at by an AR user. it could be said that the sheer amount of AR users is also contributing to the slow death of this game due to everyone having the same stuff no variety. When everyone is running the same fit, same weapon its just like every other FPS game then why bother playing? Seriously ... so how a LAV's / Heavies / Snipers is a FPS game ? You guys have no idea how stupid you sound some times. im just saying some variety is a a good thing, but if everything is just down to AR's then whats the point? and why the heavies? heavies are already crap to play with is there even a point to say that now scrubs use them even though most scrubs just suck as a heavy? we could say that the game is dying due to all those murder taxi's as well. edit: correction didnt see your previous posts about AR users leaving coz at the time your post wasn't shown so i didnt see it. though there's still plenty of AR users playing and far less heavies This crap is what "heavies" are being saying for ages, nerf the AR !! to many people likes the assault class !! That is why the AR / Assault class is nerfed in regular basics, and why soon only is going to be heavies playing this game, and why the player base is so low. well this sort of topic is pretty much a never ending one, you'll always have one side thats for AR and the other side for the HMG or which ever weapon against the other weapon. same thing always happens when a lot of people start shouting the nerf hammer to CCP. lets just blame CCP for reason why this game is the way it is.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 748	Posted - 2013.06.24 12:18:00 - [26] - Quote Heavies are the slow. The more of them there are crawling around the field like cattle the more kills for anyone with a ranged weapon.
The Knight Faust Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2013.06.24 12:26:00 - [27] - Quote I would hope the HMG would be good. The wepon is the only good thing about the build. I think it speaks to a players talent being able to use a heavy. Your far more limited than any other class. Less moduals, more cost. Its very difficult. Start with the scouts hitboxes and OP logi suits
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 320	Posted - 2013.06.24 12:31:00 - [28] - Quote I think I died to a heavy spawn killing me once yesterday...they are definitely the end of the world
Jin Robot Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 1004	Posted - 2013.06.24 12:31:00 - [29] - Quote Its just a QQ thread about heavies. Probably writen after getting killed a few times by one.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F 320	Posted - 2013.06.24 12:33:00 - [30] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Seriously ... so how a LAV's / Heavies / Snipers is a FPS game ? You guys have no idea how stupid you sound some times. only one those two things don't really shoot, luckily though is an fpsmmorpg, and it fits fine in that,

Tectonious Falcon Phaze O n e 586	Posted - 2013.06.24 13:02:00 - [31] - Quote Heavies are VERY situational. Pubs are easy to run with them, PC matches are harder because people will have fits specifically designed for taking down heavies.
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 696	Posted - 2013.06.24 13:18:00 - [32] - Quote EVERYONE Pay attention, in my 750 years of gaming history I have learned, This key way to spot when a game is dying When you see EVERYONE switch to the FOTM gun, thats normal. BUT... When you see NO ONE ONLINE.. THE GAME iS... dYiNG.
Tectonious Falcon Phaze O n e 586	Posted - 2013.06.24 13:20:00 - [33] - Quote Daedric Lothar wrote: EVERYONE Pay attention, in my 750 years of gaming history I have learned, This key way to spot when a game is dying When you see EVERYONE switch to the FOTM gun, thats normal. BUT... When you see NO ONE ONLINE.. THE GAME iS... dYiNG. ZOMG IT'S LIKE YOU'RE A PSYCHIC!!!11!1 PLEASE TEACH ME YOUR WAYS!
Azura Sakura Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 149	Posted - 2013.06.24 13:42:00 - [34] - Quote I think HMGs are fine, it's the other suits that make being a heavy almost pointless. I'm up for a range buff but not a dmg buff (unless its for the breach or the god-like six can (w/e it's called)). :) But I don't really play a heavy, I have a heavy alt but I haven't gotten it out of the Academy yet.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3976	Posted - 2013.06.24 13:46:00 - [35] - Quote I LOVE enemy HMG heavies, I just hedge them out with my AR (I is fatty 2) and lol.


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