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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1250
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Posted - 2013.06.23 17:32:00 -
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IGÇÖve been looking through the feedback section lately - IGÇÖve posted constructive, calm threads, and thereGÇÖs even been the odd CCP response, though thatGÇÖs far too rare.
IGÇÖve been in closed beta since CCP invited EvE players to take part - quite a long time ago. The closed beta ran longer than this, of course.
This isnGÇÖt about bad dev communication though, despite consistent failures like players having to get information through looking at trailers frame by frame instead of being told, or the way that only forum-goers know whatGÇÖs going on.
This is more about the fact that even when we get dev communication, it means nothing.
ThereGÇÖve been a variety of issues that the devs have acknowledged, a great number of them. WeGÇÖve been told outright that GÇ£Fixes are coming next updateGÇ¥ or GÇ£ThereGÇÖll be a dev blog on thisGÇ¥.
Where are those?
Looking through the very first post in the thread which lists issues CCP have acknowledged, aside from the balancing (which is still poor), we have this:
CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:
[SUGGESTION] Award WP for Mobile CRU use in Vehicles
- This feature is being planned
[SUGGESTION] Judging distance on a minimap
- This feature is being planned
[SUGGESTION] Nanite injector - Bleed out timer
- The gamedesign team will need time to figure out what is the best approach to implement this feature
These are the very first things listed in this thread, over 9 months ago.
And we have none of them. None.
These are incredibly minor things as well - WP for mCRU use? That canGÇÖt possibly be hard to do!
This is hardly exploitable - uplinks do this already, making dropships even more laughable than they are now.
Judging distance on a minimap is crucial with the way ranges work right now, and we donGÇÖt have anything for that either.
The nanite injector was, in fact, broken even more badly with Uprising. ItGÇÖs so unusable that IGÇÖve taken to fitting other things on a dedicated logistics suit.
This is a common trend throughout the entire thread. There are so many more examples here that I couldnGÇÖt possibly list them all. This isnGÇÖt even the earliest date that this kind of thing has happened though - as mentioned earlier, the beta has run longer than this.
ThereGÇÖs more than this though - key issues which people have been complaining about for months on end havenGÇÖt been fixed at all, have had useless fixes, or have been broken even more badly than previously.
While I did say this isnGÇÖt entirely about dev communication, we have missing dev blogs everywhere. These are things which were specifically promised: things which havenGÇÖt appeared. For example:
CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:
[FEEDBACK] The current Dust FW System: Needs more player incentives
Update: We will be adding more features to the Factional Warfare system in DUST in the next update, and we will discuss these features in more detail in a dev blog on this topic.
We even went through debating some huge issues months ago, only to have them reintroduced with Uprising.
CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:
Thukker Grenade - AUR Only item
Update: We will introduce an ISK variant soon, our goal is not to have AUR only items in the game, ever.
GÇ£CheatingGÇ¥ or farming SP without risk
Update: There is fix planned for this, the idea is that there will be a cap on total rewards that can be earned per match.
So, here we have contact grenades and AFK SP farming. For reference, this was discussed 9 months ago, almost to the day. Contact grenades were re-introduced with Uprising, and we had the same issues with them then that we do now.
We also still donGÇÖt have isk equivalents to the fused locus grenades - they are still better than the prototype isk variant because of the splash radius being over twice as large.
AFK farming is still a thing, and frankly IGÇÖm glad they havenGÇÖt fixed it because it gives me a way to keep up with people who hit their SP cap- oh hey, they GÇÿdiscussedGÇÖ this issue too!
CCP Cmdr Wang wrote:
Casual vs. Hardcore players in DUST 514
Player concern on how will casual players be able to keep up with hardcore players who might spend more time playing and gaining an advantage in SP and ISK.
I suppose thereGÇÖs one good thing thatGÇÖs happening with this, the matchmaking for next update- wait, weGÇÖve heard this before.
CCP, the playerbase is frustrated because the issues that theyGÇÖve strived to get to your attention havenGÇÖt been fixed. For over a year, weGÇÖve told you about these things. Over a year, and even the most minor of things havenGÇÖt been fixed.
This is the reason that there are rant threads left and right - heavy handed forum moderation does nothing but make the people who have tried to help you feel spurned.
Please, please, please fix these things. I, and many others, donGÇÖt care about rail rifles or suchlike. We care about the things that weGÇÖve cried out about for months and months being fixed.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2354
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Posted - 2013.06.23 17:35:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Where are the fixes?
They're hiding behind a fog called "SoonGäó" 
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1250
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Posted - 2013.06.23 17:36:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Where are the fixes? They're hiding behind a fog called "SoonGäó"
These are things that the devs haven't even bothered adding the 'tm' to. |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
209
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Posted - 2013.06.23 17:47:00 -
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We have listened to all the things that players want and so with out further a due, we would like to proudly announce CCP buttercups new range of merc clothing range
Clothing
- Gallente Handbag 50 AUR
- Minmatar High Heels 25 AUR
- Amarr Sports Bra 100 AUR
- Caldari leather wallet 200 AUR
Furnishings
- Potted Plant 1000 AUR
- Rug 2000 AUR
- PS4 console 9999 AUR
I know its taken a while to get out to you guys but i thin you will be happy with what we ahve acheived
Once again all items available now in the store
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1252
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Posted - 2013.06.23 18:25:00 -
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PonyClause Rex wrote:We have listened to all the things that players want and so with out further a due, we would like to proudly announce CCP buttercups new range of merc clothing range
Clothing
- Gallente Handbag 50 AUR
- Minmatar High Heels 25 AUR
- Amarr Sports Bra 100 AUR
- Caldari leather wallet 200 AUR
Furnishings
- Potted Plant 1000 AUR
- Rug 2000 AUR
- PS4 console 9999 AUR
I know its taken a while to get out to you guys but i think you will be happy with what we have achieved
Once again all items available now in the store
How depressingly apt. |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
208
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Posted - 2013.06.23 18:31:00 -
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Well reasoned position OP.
+1 |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens
League of Infamy
240
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Posted - 2013.06.23 18:39:00 -
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The only real failure that CCP has done with DUST is the lack of community information, which I think is really bloody strange considering that EVE players get information timely and in great details. Whether it be in huge upcoming patch notes (which sometimes happen months before the changes) or humorous YouTube videos, EVE customers are generally well informed.
DUST kind of has the "working on it" attitude that a 9 year old might have about cleaning their room. "Is it done yet?" "No... I'm working on it?" Decent product and a decent company but the lines of communication between the consumer and provider seem to be severed.
Be well. |
Thumb Green
THE STAR BORN
Dark Taboo
133
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Posted - 2013.06.23 18:41:00 -
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I'd pay 1000 AUR for a pot plant. |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
211
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Posted - 2013.06.23 19:16:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:I'd pay 1000 AUR for a pot plant.
because your name is green thumb :P |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1259
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Posted - 2013.06.23 20:02:00 -
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PonyClause Rex wrote:Thumb Green wrote:I'd pay 1000 AUR for a pot plant. because your name is green thumb :P And there is no weed in new edan 
That's because it's all been smoked already. |
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GTfanop
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.23 22:54:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:The only real failure that CCP has done with DUST is the lack of community information, which I think is really bloody strange considering that EVE players get information timely and in great details. Whether it be in huge upcoming patch notes (which sometimes happen months before the changes) or humorous YouTube videos, EVE customers are generally well informed.
DUST kind of has the "working on it" attitude that a 9 year old might have about cleaning their room. "Is it done yet?" "No... I'm working on it?" Decent product and a decent company but the lines of communication between the consumer and provider seem to be severed.
Be well.
Only real failure is lack of communitity information? What planet are you on? You spendin too much time with GreenThumb? |
Kane Fyea
DUST University
Ivy League
421
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Posted - 2013.06.23 23:00:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:The only real failure that CCP has done with DUST is the lack of community information, which I think is really bloody strange considering that EVE players get information timely and in great details. Whether it be in huge upcoming patch notes (which sometimes happen months before the changes) or humorous YouTube videos, EVE customers are generally well informed.
DUST kind of has the "working on it" attitude that a 9 year old might have about cleaning their room. "Is it done yet?" "No... I'm working on it?" Decent product and a decent company but the lines of communication between the consumer and provider seem to be severed.
Be well.
Dust is free to play so of course EVE is going to get better support then dust. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
ROFL BROS
1875
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Posted - 2013.06.23 23:06:00 -
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We do have bleed out timers now though.... that nanite injector just happens to suck more for different reasons. |
ALAINAgg
Zumari Force Projection
Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.06.24 03:49:00 -
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The jagged terrain has been crippling since early beta, and has never been addressed, in any manner. Still waiting for that fix |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1277
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Posted - 2013.06.25 22:28:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:We do have bleed out timers now though.... that nanite injector just happens to suck more for different reasons.
Bleedout timers in the way they are currently implemented are awful. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
781
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Posted - 2013.06.25 22:57:00 -
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Can we wait and see if any core items are fixed in 1.2 before we start complaining about the fixes we are or are not getting? |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1282
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:32:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:Can we wait and see if any core items are fixed in 1.2 before we start complaining about the fixes we are or are not getting?
Two things.
1) This post predates the dev blog on 1.2, and the confirmation that there would be core fixes rather than content.
2) Fixes are very, very overdue and should be in already. |
crazy space 1
Unkn0wn Killers
1404
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:23:00 -
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Welcome to the club mate, glad to see people waking up. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
782
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:28:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Crash Monster wrote:Can we wait and see if any core items are fixed in 1.2 before we start complaining about the fixes we are or are not getting? Two things. 1) This post predates the dev blog on 1.2, and the confirmation that there would be core fixes rather than content.2) Fixes are very, very overdue and should be in already.
Not anymore it doesn't... though I did miss the necro. |
Alik'ar Morbin
Circle of Huskarl
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.06.26 01:51:00 -
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Still getting stuck on hills and stairs after 9 months of beta and release. Guess its not fixable.
What about Core function? You know framerate and lagg, basically terrible hit reg.
No fix in site obviously |
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DEVILJIN 49
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.06.26 23:36:00 -
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Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year
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freddy49 fix
Fraternity of St. Venefice
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.27 06:53:00 -
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+1 OP |
geddeylee
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2013.06.27 08:03:00 -
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OP has alot of good points. Tons of issues still plaguing the game. Even after a year+! |
VinceVon
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2013.06.28 00:50:00 -
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Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1986
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:52:00 -
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Seems 1.2 came and went without looking at the 'acknowledged' issues. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
3241
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Posted - 2013.07.15 21:58:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Seems 1.2 came and went without looking at the 'acknowledged' issues.
Epic bump |
8213
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2013.07.15 22:10:00 -
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If they knew how to fix and build a game in the first place, they would have fixed these minor things by now. I understand this game has the f2p option, but good damn, Mario Bros. worked better than this pile of garbage.
They need to concentrate on making a game that works before ALL else. Why do you think all the CoD players tried DUST in the first place? People want a game that works, above all else. Developers never realized this. They just blow smoke and put up mirrors. |
Poplo Furuya
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
359
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Posted - 2013.07.15 22:11:00 -
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Look on the bright side. They're working hard on some kind of MLG tiered tournament thingy that no-one expected (or asked for).
That's obvious progress, right? ...Right? |
loumanchew
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2013.07.15 22:16:00 -
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At this point I don't think we can really look at the dev's anymore for a ''guilty''. It has become obvious that the problem stems from much higher up in the food chain. If there was great leadership and management, there is no way this situation would be tolerated and heads would roll. Look higher if you want to find the people responsible. You cannot blame the soldiers for losing a war. |
Poonmunch
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc.
Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
95
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Posted - 2013.07.15 22:19:00 -
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PonyClause Rex wrote:And there is no weed in new edan
This is the sickest thing I've heard in these forums.
WTF CCP?
Did someone whine that the weed in New Eden was OP? Nerfed it down to Oregano?
Munch |
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Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
Top Men.
151
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Posted - 2013.07.15 22:21:00 -
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There is also hundreds of issues perhaps thousands. While most are probably easy fixes that's still a lot of fixes.
They can only do so much. And while I'm not defending them they did finally nerf the female strut, Lord knows half the player base was calling for that... only took us like a year  . |
loumanchew
Ametat Security
Amarr Empire
137
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Posted - 2013.07.15 22:30:00 -
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yea god knows how awful top models are. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1992
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Posted - 2013.07.15 22:35:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote: And while I'm not defending them they did finally nerf the female strut, Lord knows half the player base was calling for that... only took us like a year .
Nerfed the female strut?
Eh, what?  |
C Saunders
Tech Guard
General Tso's Alliance
442
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Posted - 2013.07.15 22:48:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:There is also hundreds of issues perhaps thousands. While most are probably easy fixes that's still a lot of fixes. They can only do so much. And while I'm not defending them they did finally nerf the female strut, Lord knows half the player base was calling for that... only took us like a year .
Because out of all the things the community has asked for, they choose the thing that mattered the least. Seriously it was only like 2 whenches that thought they were over sexualized.
Instead of telling these whenches to kitten off they actually listened to them and wasted time on a pety thing like that.
Seriously how many MMOs do you see non-sexualized women in? Not many.
How many MMO games have you seen with women that have full body armour?
Not many because in the majority of MMOs female armour consists of nothing more than a thong and nipple tasels!
Seriously the female players in this game really did waste CCPs time... *sigh* |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1992
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Posted - 2013.07.16 08:45:00 -
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Poplo Furuya wrote:Look on the bright side. They're working hard on some kind of MLG tiered tournament thingy that no-one expected (or asked for).
That's obvious progress, right? ...Right?
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
583
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Posted - 2013.07.16 08:49:00 -
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I think they were focused on fixing other, much more game-breaking things likeeeeeee infantry humping dropships, infantry raping god tanks, dumb fire swarm launchers that could explode everyone in an entire room without damaging the user. Awful hit detection. and many many other things that aren't nearly as insignificant as contact grenades...... |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1993
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Posted - 2013.07.16 08:54:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:I think they were focused on fixing other, much more game-breaking things likeeeeeee infantry humping dropships, infantry raping god tanks, dumb fire swarm launchers that could explode everyone in an entire room without damaging the user. Awful hit detection. and many many other things that aren't nearly as insignificant as contact grenades......
Then why are they saying that they're going to fix these issues?
They're specifically saying "We're fixing this next update" and then not actually doing it!
And honestly, how much effort is it to give dropships WP rewards? |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1280
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Posted - 2013.07.16 08:54:00 -
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This is my favorite one ;
#4Posted: 2012.09.25 09:17
GÇ£CheatingGÇ¥ or farming SP without risk
Update: There is fix planned for this, the idea is that there will be a cap on total rewards that can be earned per match. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
1993
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Posted - 2013.07.16 08:58:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:This is my favorite one ;
#4Posted: 2012.09.25 09:17
GÇ£CheatingGÇ¥ or farming SP without risk
Update: There is fix planned for this, the idea is that there will be a cap on total rewards that can be earned per match.
Did you know that this issue comes up on every page of the thread? |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1280
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Posted - 2013.07.16 09:01:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:This is my favorite one ;
#4Posted: 2012.09.25 09:17
GÇ£CheatingGÇ¥ or farming SP without risk
Update: There is fix planned for this, the idea is that there will be a cap on total rewards that can be earned per match. Did you know that this issue comes up on every page of the thread?
I know... i just saying the is my favorite one.
I mean, COME ON CCP!!... you acknowledged the problem with SP farming and AFKing nearly a year ago... |
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Flawless Mirage
Valhalla Gardains
15
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Posted - 2013.07.16 09:14:00 -
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Wow... just ******* wow.
How the **** are they not fixing at least some of this ****?
Seems like they take one step forward and forty steps back with every update... |
Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
174
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Posted - 2013.07.16 10:00:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
CCP, the playerbase is frustrated because the issues that theyGÇÖve strived to get to your attention havenGÇÖt been fixed. For over a year, weGÇÖve told you about these things. Over a year, and even the most minor of things havenGÇÖt been fixed.
This is the reason that there are rant threads left and right - heavy handed forum moderation does nothing but make the people who have tried to help you feel spurned.
Please, please, please fix these things. I, and many others, donGÇÖt care about rail rifles or suchlike. We care about the things that weGÇÖve cried out about for months and months being fixed.
I've worked in a job like this (albeit legal rather than programming) where you have 10 bosses demanding everything, 1 guy who can actually do the work (coder or in my case analyst), 15 juniors who aren't worth warming a chair and enough work for 40 people all mounting at one guy's doorstep.
Once the workload gets ridiculous enough the whole process breaks down, that one poor guy gets shuffled from workpiece to workpiece without every getting the chance to finish anything because he has 10 panicking bosses. So the end result is that rather than things getting down methodically, albeit slowly one at a time, NOTHING gets finished. It just becomes a snowball of panic and stupid and incompetence.
There are just soooooooooo many key items to fix, we're not talking about a dozen work items, we're talking hundreds of issues that completely **** up this game. There is no way on god's earth they have even 1/4 the number of staff necessary to fix this stuff.
The devs (and their apologists) always show up and say "oh well we can have multiple people working on different things at a time" and stuff like "oh projects are interdependent and we can't do A before C" and also sorts of other BS like this. Well if that's the case, its not poor Johnny Coder's problem, its the fact all your project management needs to be shot and replaced and your budget tripled. Or give up.
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
23
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Posted - 2013.07.16 10:05:00 -
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If they fixed most of the issues, they'd have to change the name of the game at this point. |
steadyhand amarr
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
930
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Posted - 2013.07.16 10:19:00 -
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Like someone said it was clearly bad management and leadership that caused this mess the heads at Iceland finally noticed once the reviews came in. And have now hired new leadership and moved experiencef staff members to dust office to. So over the next few months I think we will start to see good improvements. It's a shame it toon a media slating for the big boss to notice |
Bill990988
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.07.16 20:55:00 -
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Funny the aur items have been pouring out so fast we cant even compare them for p2w issues.
And when items are proven to be p2w they are NEVER changed, remember when we the community was challenged by ccp jian to find the non isk equilivant items and point them out so they can be rectified immediatly? What a joke!
So yeah too many cooks spoil the broth (meaning there are alot of bosses ideas but very few minions to employ said ideas) |
da GAND
187.
League of Infamy
64
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Posted - 2013.07.16 21:02:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Where are the fixes? They're hiding behind a fog called "SoonGäó"
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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