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Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 729	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:03:00 - [1] - Quote I thought I'd promote this to its own thread. The premise is that perhaps we need more fanboys, not less... There's balance. We have haters and fanboys. So what. Somehow people think that CCP has no ability to review comments in a critical way and look at the issues being discussed from both viewpoints and take what fits into their own vision. Seriously? If we had 100,000 fanboys playing at a time the game would be great success wouldn't it? No matter how many haters we accumulate they will never be a measure of its success until they stop being haters.
PonyClause Rex TRAMADOL KNIGHTS 196	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:14:00 - [2] - Quote I would argue that haters and fan boys both want a awesome game to play at the end of the day In my opinion Also someone delivering negative criticism using the same means (forums) as someone who loves the game for what it is can often be misconstrued as hate(rs)
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 321	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:18:00 - [3] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: I thought I'd promote this to its own thread. The premise is that perhaps we need more fanboys, not less... There's balance. We have haters and fanboys. So what. Somehow people think that CCP has no ability to review comments in a critical way and look at the issues being discussed from both viewpoints and take what fits into their own vision. Seriously? If we had 100,000 fanboys playing at a time the game would be great success wouldn't it? No matter how many haters we accumulate they will never be a measure of its success until they stop being haters. Original discussion here... I think you mean if we had 100,000 developers.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 729	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:19:00 - [4] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: I think you mean if we had 100,000 developers. As long as they are paying enough to keep it alive...
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 767	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:20:00 - [5] - Quote @Pony There's quite a difference in negative criticism and simply propagating a pessimistic, even nihilistic, view constantly and unceasingly until it starts to infect everyone else. I'm seeing too much of the latter and the former is as rare as a unicorn with two horns.
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:24:00 - [6] - Quote Neither is better than the other if they're not being constructive. But I guess the lack thereof is what constitutes fanboys and haters in the first place.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 66	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:26:00 - [7] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: @Pony There's quite a difference in negative criticism and simply propagating a pessimistic, even nihilistic, view constantly and unceasingly until it starts to infect everyone else. I'm seeing too much of the latter and the former is as rare as a unicorn with two horns. Personally I wish both would GTFO. I'd prefer people with some common sense, intelligence, consideration, and ability to eloquently express their thoughts. And of course, they should like the game (or what the game can become) enough to play it and post about it. These kind of people need honest, direct and timely feedback from CCP dev's though.... So, if humanity kicked more ass than it does now, I guess I'd be happy.
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 66	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:26:00 - [8] - Quote .
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 158	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:26:00 - [9] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: @Pony There's quite a difference in negative criticism and simply propagating a pessimistic, even nihilistic, view constantly and unceasingly until it starts to infect everyone else. I'm seeing too much of the latter and the former is as rare as a unicorn with two horns. A unicorn with two horns isn't a unicorn.
PonyClause Rex TRAMADOL KNIGHTS 197	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:28:00 - [10] - Quote J-Lewis wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: @Pony There's quite a difference in negative criticism and simply propagating a pessimistic, even nihilistic, view constantly and unceasingly until it starts to infect everyone else. I'm seeing too much of the latter and the former is as rare as a unicorn with two horns. A unicorn with two horns isn't a unicorn. Its a rhino derp :P

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 321	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:30:00 - [11] - Quote Well it is hard for CCP to keep the fanboys around, hell it is even hard to keep the haters around. CCP has been offering basically the same broken, slightly uninteresting, gameplay since beta and beyond. At the same time it punishes new users with a giant SP wall saying if you wanna compete work your ass off for a couple of months, honestly the SP cap is just so brutal to new players, so they can't even get new players to become fanboys, most of them don't even bother coming to the forums before deleting the damn game; and then there is people like me, who neither hate nor love the game we just have hope that we will love the game SOON (TM), or hate it and release ourselves from the shackles that is Dust 514.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 321	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:31:00 - [12] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: J-Lewis wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: @Pony There's quite a difference in negative criticism and simply propagating a pessimistic, even nihilistic, view constantly and unceasingly until it starts to infect everyone else. I'm seeing too much of the latter and the former is as rare as a unicorn with two horns. A unicorn with two horns isn't a unicorn. Its a rhino derp :P Or a bicorn. What about a bicorn with two corn-on-the-cobs on its horns, is it a bicorncorncorn?
PonyClause Rex TRAMADOL KNIGHTS 197	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:33:00 - [13] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: J-Lewis wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: @Pony There's quite a difference in negative criticism and simply propagating a pessimistic, even nihilistic, view constantly and unceasingly until it starts to infect everyone else. I'm seeing too much of the latter and the former is as rare as a unicorn with two horns. A unicorn with two horns isn't a unicorn. Its a rhino derp :P Or a bicorn. What about a bicorn with two corn-on-the-cobs on its horns, is it a bicorncorncorn? Nope a bicorn-on-the-cobasuarous-rex
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 731	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:36:00 - [14] - Quote Enough of the ******* unicornisms already. :p
PonyClause Rex TRAMADOL KNIGHTS 199	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:40:00 - [15] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: Enough of the ******* unicornisms already. :p But whilst we are using big words to explain behavour, we should also note that people will more often than not use diplomacy(constructive feedback) first and then resort to protest/ rioting (ranting on forums/verbal attacks)and finally affirmative action (quitting the game). Not all ways in that order tho hehe Notice i am careful not to wonder too far into real world politics and views or we will breach forum rules and wouldnt want your thread locked :)
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 732	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:49:00 - [16] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: But whilst we are using big words to explain behavour, we should also note that people will more often than not use diplomacy(constructive feedback) first and then resort to protest/ rioting (ranting on forums/verbal attacks)and finally affirmative action (quitting the game). If we're talking about what turns people I have a theory... Playing the beta was easy street in terms of SP gain and access to cheap upgrades. All of this went away. Many players at the top of the food chain found they would have to spend lots of time waiting to get the gear they wanted. At the same time there were range reductions -- so everyone used to godlike weapon ranges was reduced to missing targets they were trained to view as in optimal range. Never mind changes to suits and vehicles and so forth as well. Basically, to put it simply, the game would feel ruined. New players don't have any of this history... so they go down a different road. Not much is clear (vets often forget what it was like to start at the beginning) and once you get out of this random academy thing you get pub stomped a lot. I can't see getting absolutely destroyed as a new player being much fun. As a supposed fanboy, I'd suggest that CCP needs to think carefully about actions they take and how they can turn people from happy players into disgruntled haters. I'm not going to suggest that CCP did not create the situation we are in today. Luckily, many of us do still play and have fun. And, realistically, I'm not sure if the people that have become jaded will be brought back. I'd suggest focusing on newer people and getting them to stay... as fixing what happened isn't likely to have as big an effect as taking things away in the first place. People feel loss more acutely than the feel gain.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3951	Posted - 2013.06.23 12:52:00 - [17] - Quote Whenever I think back on how much of a fanboy I was, I find myself wondering if I went dark side, or if I just found the light
Bucktooth Badger Buck's Intergalactic Pawn Shop 93	Posted - 2013.06.23 13:30:00 - [18] - Quote I find both terms negative for the two sides of the player base. CCP have an outstanding idea of creating a game that spans genres & formats in an ever changing virtual universe. However, their failings, especially compared to the trailers we were seduced with, have had a reverse effect & has actually created a massive divide amongst the different players to the point that I don't think we'll be united any time soon. The community has been divided into FPS vs RPG & PC vs Console, each group blaming the other for the issues. Even the baseless argument that the PS3 hardware is unsuitable for Dust has some materialised which is bizarre in itself ... Just look at the mechanics & graphics of COD, BF & even Gran Turismo to see that argument is bonkers. The one thing we all have in common is passion for Dust. There is still time for CCP to pull themselves from the brink, ignore all of us in the community & go back to what they first envisaged & what they showed the world in the original trailers!
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 732	Posted - 2013.06.23 13:40:00 - [19] - Quote Can't argue against the "massive divide" statement.
Bobby Alikar Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.23 21:30:00 - [20] - Quote Crash Monster you never fail to amaze me. Can I ask your age?

GTfanop Intara Direct Action Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:01:00 - [21] - Quote Massive divide is not good
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 241	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:05:00 - [22] - Quote It is a sad state of affairs when being a fan of something is used as an insult. I swear, I hear "fanboy" thrown around as an insult more often than I hear about the 12 year old having intimate relations with my mother.
Jason Punk DUST University Ivy League 135	Posted - 2013.06.23 22:07:00 - [23] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: I would argue that haters and fan boys both want a awesome game to play at the end of the day In my opinion Also someone delivering negative criticism using the same means (forums) as someone who loves the game for what it is can often be misconstrued as hate(rs) I would agree. Notice how the haters tend to actually stick around and keep "hatin" while the rest of us just keep on playing and having a good time. I'm pretty convinced most of us are still enjoying our game, regardless of how praising or critical we get
ALAINAgg Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.06.23 23:58:00 - [24] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: It is a sad state of affairs when being a fan of something is used as an insult. I swear, I hear "fanboy" thrown around as an insult more often than I hear about the 12 year old having intimate relations with my mother. Thats because if you say the game is great and dandy then nothing gets addressed. You hate and criticise the game things tend to get done. The squeeky wheel gets the grease. Ever heard that before, take it in. I think the game is 100% perfect.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 541	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:01:00 - [25] - Quote CCP hasnt shown they can look at comments and issues from more than one side, pretending everything is fine will lead to a more broken game thats no fun for anyone
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 743	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:05:00 - [26] - Quote I don't see anyone pretending everything is fine. I see people suggesting that ****posting isn't productive... and getting labeled fanboys in return.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 541	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:10:00 - [27] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: I don't see anyone pretending everything is fine. I see people suggesting that ****posting isn't productive... and getting labeled fanboys in return. Really now, you can go into almost any thread with constructive criticism and see people telling the OP to stop complaining and a litany of excuses on CCPs behalf and that the game isnt as bad as they say, stuff like that is fanboying and creates an illusion of the game that doesnt hold up to the reality
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 743	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:34:00 - [28] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Really now, you can go into almost any thread with constructive criticism and see people telling the OP to stop complaining and a litany of excuses on CCPs behalf and that the game isnt as bad as they say, stuff like that is fanboying and creates an illusion of the game that doesnt hold up to the reality Well, there's a bunch of fine lines in the mix. Some people actually don't think things are as bad as some people say. It's reasonable for them to say so. If CCP was previously of the opinion it could leave things alone with a mixed review of this nature then I hope they've learned they need to look into things when they come up a lot -- whether or not people stick up for the status quo (there are always people happy with how things are). I reserve the right to use HTFU, adapt or die, can I haz your stuff and moar tears any time someone is QQing... whether it be about the game being broken or otherwise. This doesn't mean things are good -- it means quit whining. Where I get pissed is when I see new employees called out personally by people who haven't even given them time to start doing their job before attacking them. Similarly, while the community reps were not elected I really don't think they need to be personally attacked every time they attempt to interact on the forums. It's a low class move to put this kind of crap on people who may not truly be anonymous like the rest of us idiots. Anyhow, please don't mistake counter-ranting with denying that there might be issues with the game. Dust Fiend made a great list of items earlier today -- there is lots to improve on.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1734	Posted - 2013.06.24 01:16:00 - [29] - Quote The OP of the thread you're promoting is just plain stupid
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