I'm curious about this as well, but for another reason. I want to run as Minmatar Heavy. However,without even knowing the stats and slot layouts I'm feeling quite trepidatious about where to spend my SP.

As far as I'm aware, the answer is no. Before applying for the respec, I sent an email asking whether "one-time respec" meant that it would be the only respec, or whether it meant that I'd simply be ineligible for any future ones, and the response I got was something like "We do not plan to have another respec in the foreseeable future."

The following is purely speculation and should be taken with a grain of salt, but I think if people complain hard enough, we might be able to get SP transferred from existing vehicle/dropsuit skills to the missing ones. Wouldn't bet on it, though.

Actually, we did NOT receive a respec in order for us to "remake ourselves".
We receive a respec, as a simple customer service for a bad product. Basically many skills did not function as stated, for the skill points we committed.

Being able to remake ourselves was simply a side benefit of this.

Fair enough but it seems like Im being forced to save this until CCP decides to get the dropsuit models in order. I can wait sure, but its irritating that I cannot play on a 3 month investment until they do.

There will always be more content that hasn't been released yet and we won't be getting a new respec everytime some new thing comes out (field commander suits, proto HAVs, jets, MTACs); there'd have to be a respec every build for that and it's just not going to happen.

Having all Racial variants of all existing classes of Dropsuits and Vehicles across all Tiers (Basic Advanced and Proto) at the time of full release is basic content. Adding this missing Basic Content would warrant a respec as it should have been included in the full release.

Things such as New Dropsuit Classes (Commando, Pilot) new classes of vehicles (MTACS, JETS, Destroyer HAVs, Bomber Dropships) etc. are Expansions. These would of course not warrant a respec, however these should be added only as complete packages with all Racial Variants.

Christ. This should NEVER be a problem in a game like this.

CCP, allow us to BUY respecs with AUR. Plain and simple. Make it balanced, folks will pay five bucks to change their **** around.

Let me make this very clear for those who cannot seem to grasp this concept.

Having all Racial variants of all existing classes of Dropsuits and Vehicles across all Tiers (Basic Advanced and Proto) at the time of full release is basic content. Adding this missing Basic Content would warrant a respec as it should have been included in the full release.

Things such as New Dropsuit Classes (Commando, Pilot) new classes of vehicles (MTACS, JETS, Destroyer HAVs, Bomber Dropships) etc. are Expansions. These would of course not warrant a respec, however these should be added only as complete packages with all Racial Variants.

So I'm going to throw this thread out here again and a simple yes or no answer will tell me how I should proceed with playing this game once I get my respect.


For Uprising you gave us a universal respect opportunity so that we could remake outselves with the new content, and when newer players, and some verteran players kicked up enough fuss you said you would give us an optional respect of re sort ourselves out.

Well when you release newer content like finally releasing the racial dropsuit, vehicle, and weapon varients will we all get respecs for our characters?

I want to pilot only Amarrian Tanks but the issue is that I don't want to risk my 7m SP (3 months of work) on a Gallente Tank (I hate those guys btw) because I need to practice armour tanking and hence forth and stuck with that ugly thing. That would break the game for me.

Will I have to hold onto my respec until new gear comes out or will I be able to practice with my new intended builds before that content is released?

As far as I'm aware, the answer is no. Before applying for the respec, I sent an email asking whether "one-time respec" meant that it would be the only respec, or whether it meant that I'd simply be ineligible for any future ones, and the response I got was something like "We do not plan to have another respec in the foreseeable future."

The following is purely speculation and should be taken with a grain of salt, but I think if people complain hard enough, we might be able to get SP transferred from existing vehicle/dropsuit skills to the missing ones. Wouldn't bet on it, though.

There is also the fact that CCP will continue to add more things that will require their own separate skills that may not be racially linked at all like:

1. Cloaking modules
2. Siege mode modules for tanks
3. Mining Equipment
4. Surface infrastructure management
5. Wholesale buying and selling (market trading)
6. Production
7. Skills for improving ISK earnings like you see in Eve for mission runners

etc.,

Again, these skills wouldn't require racial skills at all but will likely still require their own separate skills that you never invested in before.

These would also be considered Expansions not deserving of a respec, unlike Missing Racial Variants of dropsuits and vehicles.

Let me make this very clear for those who cannot seem to grasp this concept.

Having all Racial variants of all existing classes of Dropsuits and Vehicles across all Tiers (Basic Advanced and Proto) at the time of full release is basic content. Adding this missing Basic Content would warrant a respec as it should have been included in the full release.

Things such as New Dropsuit Classes (Commando, Pilot) new classes of vehicles (MTACS, JETS, Destroyer HAVs, Bomber Dropships) etc. are Expansions. These would of course not warrant a respec, however these should be added only as complete packages with all Racial Variants.

I see your concern but bare in mind that we have seen this happen before in Eve Online. When Eve first started, the following things were not available at the time:

1. Anything bigger than a battleship.
2. Specialized mining ships like the Hulk, Skiff, etc.
3. Tier 3 battlecruisers like the Talos, Oracle, Tornado, and Naga.
4. Tech 2 ships in general like the Oneiros, Jaguar,
5. Tech 3 ships like the Loki, Tengu, Legion, and Proteus.
6. Capital/Supercapital ship production.
7. Planetary Colonies controlled by Eve players.

Then there is the constant rebalancing of ship stats that continues to this day. Back then, a Hulk was able to compete against most cruisers until CCP nerfed the energy vamp modules. Back then, Dramiels were able to travel between points in space without warping because any ships was able to fit more than one micro warp drive before that got nerfed. Let's also not forget the epic Titan nerf.

This is just to name a few in a big list of things that were originally not there. The Eve Online back then only had about 30-40% of what you see now in Eve Online. However, over the course of ten years, Eve players were only given one free respec and that was it. Many players in Eve posted requests for optional respecs even to this day but CCP pretty much ignores them because the rest of the community knows how game-breakingly bad the idea is. It may allow fun and variety and more profit for CCP, but that idea will just go against the core principles of New Eden which is what CCP and its community tries to protect. The core principles are:

1. Adapt or die.
2. Don't use what you can't afford to lose.
3. Accept the permanent consequences of your choices.

There are many more rules than this in New Eden that can be adjusted accordingly between Eve and Dust, but these three are the most important and are as absolute as anything else. Changing these three core principles will take an act of god to occur. Sure, it will alienate a certain segment of the players (those who just play traditional shooters) who may not like being forced into accepting harsh consequences, but it will ensure the continued existence of the persistent universe because then every choice you make will mean something because one wrong move and you are forced to live with it for the rest of your life as a constant reminder of what not to do next time.

I don't mean to come across as rude to you or just appearing dense, but there are certain boundaries that shouldn't be crossed. I for one would never support any concept that will undermine the core principles of New Eden just for the sake of player retention. Sure, it will be profitable for CCP by getting more players, but it just doesn't go well with the principles.

EDIT: To answer your question, I suggest holding onto your unallocated SP until your favorite setup is available.

@True Adamance

My advice to you is just hold on to whatever unallocated SP you have right now and let it build up until your racial favorite gets here. It's what I would do. That's the best advice I can give you right now given the state of the game at the moment. We'll just have to give it time. Unfortunately a lot of people here have less patience than that.

If one is Specced into the AR skill line, then one may use any variant of AR. There would not be a separate skill line for the Caldari AR, Minmatar AR, Amarr AR, and Gallente AR. Therefore when these variants are added all one would need to do is go purchase them from the market. However, if a new skill line were added for each variant, I would think a respec for the AR skill line to be in order.

However, where dropsuits and vehicles are concerned, each Racial variant has it's own skill line. So if I spec into Amarr Heavy or Gallente HAV simply because it happens to be the only choice I have, then imho when the other Racial variants are added along with the corresponding skill lines, i should be able to have those SP spent in the Amarr line refunded so that I may choose which Racial variant I prefer.

I hope that clears things up on where I stand on the matter.

This really wasn't a debate about respecs and stuff just a generic question about me making my skill choices now not knowing how things will turn out.

I mean I'm pretty patient but I would like to know even roughly how long I'm going to have to wait to even be able to use the SP I have now. There is only so much 1.5 million Invested SP can allow me to do on the battlefield.

Understood and agree - the OP got a little thrown off track. Indications are hopeful that it won't be too long though; the devs have been openly talking about the rifle racial variants and the latest level design dev blog had what looked like a gallente heavy suit pictured, so maybe in one of the Uprising iterations or surely the next big patch in ~3 months at the longest?

Oh man I'll have to check that out thanks for the heads up. Where is this racial AR discussion? I'd be incredibly interested to read it.

3 months is still a long time though, worth waiting for the game to take that extra step up....but still a long time.