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True Adamance wrote:

Django Quik wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

This really wasn't a debate about respecs and stuff just a generic question about me making my skill choices now not knowing how things will turn out.

I mean I'm pretty patient but I would like to know even roughly how long I'm going to have to wait to even be able to use the SP I have now. There is only so much 1.5 million Invested SP can allow me to do on the battlefield.

Understood and agree - the OP got a little thrown off track. Indications are hopeful that it won't be too long though; the devs have been openly talking about the rifle racial variants and the latest level design dev blog had what looked like a gallente heavy suit pictured, so maybe in one of the Uprising iterations or surely the next big patch in ~3 months at the longest?

Oh man I'll have to check that out thanks for the heads up. Where is this racial AR discussion? I'd be incredibly interested to read it.

3 months is still a long time though, worth waiting for the game to take that extra step up....but still a long time.


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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2797	Posted - 2013.06.22 18:11:00 - [1] - Quote True Adamance wrote: So I'm going to throw this thread out here again and a simple yes or no answer will tell me how I should proceed with playing this game once I get my respect. For Uprising you gave us a universal respect opportunity so that we could remake outselves with the new content, and when newer players, and some verteran players kicked up enough fuss you said you would give us an optional respect of re sort ourselves out. Well when you release newer content like finally releasing the racial dropsuit, vehicle, and weapon varients will we all get respecs for our characters? I want to pilot only Amarrian Tanks but the issue is that I don't want to risk my 7m SP (3 months of work) on a Gallente Tank (I hate those guys btw) because I need to practice armour tanking and hence forth and stuck with that ugly thing. That would break the game for me. Will I have to hold onto my respec until new gear comes out or will I be able to practice with my new intended builds before that content is released? I see your concern but bare in mind that we have seen this happen before in Eve Online. When Eve first started, the following things were not available at the time: 1. Anything bigger than a battleship. 2. Specialized mining ships like the Hulk, Skiff, etc. 3. Tier 3 battlecruisers like the Talos, Oracle, Tornado, and Naga. 4. Tech 2 ships in general like the Oneiros, Jaguar, 5. Tech 3 ships like the Loki, Tengu, Legion, and Proteus. 6. Capital/Supercapital ship production. 7. Planetary Colonies controlled by Eve players. Then there is the constant rebalancing of ship stats that continues to this day. Back then, a Hulk was able to compete against most cruisers until CCP nerfed the energy vamp modules. Back then, Dramiels were able to travel between points in space without warping because any ships was able to fit more than one micro warp drive before that got nerfed. Let's also not forget the epic Titan nerf. This is just to name a few in a big list of things that were originally not there. The Eve Online back then only had about 30-40% of what you see now in Eve Online. However, over the course of ten years, Eve players were only given one free respec and that was it. Many players in Eve posted requests for optional respecs even to this day but CCP pretty much ignores them because the rest of the community knows how game-breakingly bad the idea is. It may allow fun and variety and more profit for CCP, but that idea will just go against the core principles of New Eden which is what CCP and its community tries to protect. The core principles are: 1. Adapt or die. 2. Don't use what you can't afford to lose. 3. Accept the permanent consequences of your choices. There are many more rules than this in New Eden that can be adjusted accordingly between Eve and Dust, but these three are the most important and are as absolute as anything else. Changing these three core principles will take an act of god to occur. Sure, it will alienate a certain segment of the players (those who just play traditional shooters) who may not like being forced into accepting harsh consequences, but it will ensure the continued existence of the persistent universe because then every choice you make will mean something because one wrong move and you are forced to live with it for the rest of your life as a constant reminder of what not to do next time. I don't mean to come across as rude to you or just appearing dense, but there are certain boundaries that shouldn't be crossed. I for one would never support any concept that will undermine the core principles of New Eden just for the sake of player retention. Sure, it will be profitable for CCP by getting more players, but it just doesn't go well with the principles.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2797	Posted - 2013.06.22 18:20:00 - [2] - Quote Delenne Arran wrote: As far as I'm aware, the answer is no. Before applying for the respec, I sent an email asking whether "one-time respec" meant that it would be the only respec, or whether it meant that I'd simply be ineligible for any future ones, and the response I got was something like "We do not plan to have another respec in the foreseeable future." The following is purely speculation and should be taken with a grain of salt, but I think if people complain hard enough, we might be able to get SP transferred from existing vehicle/dropsuit skills to the missing ones. Wouldn't bet on it, though. Just so you know, some Eve Online players requested the same thing and were largely ignored. I doubt CCP would treat you any different considering you are playing a free-to-play game and Eve players are the paying subscribers.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2797	Posted - 2013.06.22 18:26:00 - [3] - Quote There is also the fact that CCP will continue to add more things that will require their own separate skills that may not be racially linked at all like: 1. Cloaking modules 2. Siege mode modules for tanks 3. Mining Equipment 4. Surface infrastructure management 5. Wholesale buying and selling (market trading) 6. Production 7. Skills for improving ISK earnings like you see in Eve for mission runners etc. Again, these skills wouldn't require racial skills at all but will likely still require their own separate skills that you never invested in before.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2803	Posted - 2013.06.22 20:45:00 - [4] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: There is also the fact that CCP will continue to add more things that will require their own separate skills that may not be racially linked at all like: 1. Cloaking modules 2. Siege mode modules for tanks 3. Mining Equipment 4. Surface infrastructure management 5. Wholesale buying and selling (market trading) 6. Production 7. Skills for improving ISK earnings like you see in Eve for mission runners etc., Again, these skills wouldn't require racial skills at all but will likely still require their own separate skills that you never invested in before. These would also be considered Expansions not deserving of a respec, unlike Missing Racial Variants of dropsuits and vehicles. Even then, what about the constant changes to current items in the game? Just recently I read a new article posted not to long ago on www.themittani.com regarding the recent rebalancing of industrial ships. Particularly the haulers where the author described his face palm moment as he was critical of the half-assed changes CCP did. No respecs were given so far.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2803	Posted - 2013.06.23 01:35:00 - [5] - Quote @True Adamance My advice to you is just hold on to whatever unallocated SP you have right now and let it build up until your racial favorite gets here. It's what I would do. That's the best advice I can give you right now given the state of the game at the moment. We'll just have to give it time. Unfortunately a lot of people here have less patience than that.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2814	Posted - 2013.06.23 14:45:00 - [6] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Django Quik wrote: True Adamance wrote: This really wasn't a debate about respecs and stuff just a generic question about me making my skill choices now not knowing how things will turn out. I mean I'm pretty patient but I would like to know even roughly how long I'm going to have to wait to even be able to use the SP I have now. There is only so much 1.5 million Invested SP can allow me to do on the battlefield. Understood and agree - the OP got a little thrown off track. Indications are hopeful that it won't be too long though; the devs have been openly talking about the rifle racial variants and the latest level design dev blog had what looked like a gallente heavy suit pictured, so maybe in one of the Uprising iterations or surely the next big patch in ~3 months at the longest? Oh man I'll have to check that out thanks for the heads up. Where is this racial AR discussion? I'd be incredibly interested to read it. 3 months is still a long time though, worth waiting for the game to take that extra step up....but still a long time. It is posted in the fanfest 2013 DUST keynote on YouTube. CCP posted the whole video there to see. They even showed racial variants of the nova knives and how the fighters will look like.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 2816	Posted - 2013.06.23 17:12:00 - [7] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: True Adamance wrote: This really wasn't a debate about respecs and stuff just a generic question about me making my skill choices now not knowing how things will turn out. I mean I'm pretty patient but I would like to know even roughly how long I'm going to have to wait to even be able to use the SP I have now. There is only so much 1.5 million Invested SP can allow me to do on the battlefield. I apologize. It was never my intention to derail your thread. I am simply frustrated because of CCPs complete lack of communication concerning this entire subject. At the very least I feel they should be willing to release the Stats, slot layouts, and racial and role bonuses for these dropsuits and vehicles. This way players eagerly awaiting this content can plan and spend SP in preparation for when it is all added to the game. But here's the catch. Any stats they post are subject to change before actually coming in. Even then, those stats will continue to be changed in the foreseeable future like Eve ships have suffered.