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Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:37:00 -
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CCP, don't look for the approval of EVE players for meaningful integration. A huge chunck of EVE players have their nose up in the sky with the "PC gaming master race" attitude. They're the people who don't want anything to do with Dust, and they're the people who don't want any MEANINGFUL IMPACT from Dust. (Sorry CCP, orbital bombardment isn't really meaningful in the bigger scope) Shove it down their throats, even if they pound their feet on the ground they will thank you for it later.
A little quote:
Judy Maat wrote:There will always be a lack of meaningful interactions between the 2 game as long as their policy of: "either game should be able to survive without the other one"
You could go and ask even the best game designers to work with this kind of constraints and they will eventually throw the towel. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
523
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Posted - 2013.06.21 16:56:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:CCP, don't look for the approval of EVE players for meaningful integration. A huge chunck of EVE players have their nose up in the sky with the "PC gaming master race" attitude. They're the people who don't want anything to do with Dust, and they're the people who don't want any MEANINGFUL IMPACT from Dust. (Sorry CCP, orbital bombardment isn't really meaningful in the bigger scope) Shove it down their throats, even if they pound their feet on the ground they will thank you for it later. A little quote: Judy Maat wrote:There will always be a lack of meaningful interactions between the 2 game as long as their policy of: "either game should be able to survive without the other one"
You could go and ask even the best game designers to work with this kind of constraints and they will eventually throw the towel.
Go find me posts where EVE players have asked for little or no interaction between the two games. I'm genuinely curious. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
188
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:02:00 -
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I never thought I'd see the day I agree with a Cat Merc rant.
At the end of the day I don't think a lot of Capuleers care because we're not enticing enough. Greed controls New Eden as far as I can tell. I think they need to stop kitten footing around with our value. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
523
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:03:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:I never thought I'd see the day I agree with a Cat Merc rant.
At the end of the day I don't think a lot of Capuleers care because we're not enticing enough. Greed controls New Eden as far as I can tell. I think they need to stop kitten footing around with our value.
They currently don't care because there is absolutely zero reason to. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
807
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:06:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:I never thought I'd see the day I agree with a Cat Merc rant.
At the end of the day I don't think a lot of Capuleers care because we're not enticing enough. Greed controls New Eden as far as I can tell. I think they need to stop kitten footing around with our value. They currently don't care because there is absolutely zero reason to. Exactly. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
523
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:07:00 -
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I'm still waiting for posts from EVE players who don't want meaningful interaction.
Let me adjust the goalposts. IRLpoors afraid to buy consoles and hisec risk-averse sh!tlords don't count. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
523
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:12:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:Abron Garr wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:I never thought I'd see the day I agree with a Cat Merc rant.
At the end of the day I don't think a lot of Capuleers care because we're not enticing enough. Greed controls New Eden as far as I can tell. I think they need to stop kitten footing around with our value. They currently don't care because there is absolutely zero reason to. Exactly.
EVE players didn't ask for that. This is entirely in CCP's lap. Ask any EVE player who has been involved in a real sov war in the past 4 years if they wouldn't mind if Dust mercs affected the timers or the amount of HP in ihubs, stations etc.. Mindlessly shooting ridiculous amounts of HP for hours is not fun. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
807
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:12:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:I'm still waiting for posts from EVE players who don't want meaningful interaction.
Let me adjust the goalposts. IRLpoors afraid to buy consoles and hisec risk-averse sh!tlords don't count. I do believe they were used to be able to do everything on their own thanks to multi boxing. Now that they have to buy a 300$ "screen" (aka PS3) to do the same thing, they're pissed.
Also, mind bumping that thread for me? So far it was 100% nope from the EVE players. |
R F Gyro
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
369
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:13:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:Shove it down their throats, even if they pound their feet on the ground they will thank you for it later.
CCP have tried to shove things down the throats of Eve players before. It took them 2 years to recover.
There is absolutely no way in hell that CCP are going to let the Dust tail wag the Eve dog at this stage. They have a long term plan, and you'll have to watch it unfold with the rest of us I'm afraid.
Also, don't forget that Dust FW battles do impact FW rewards in Eve, though only by a small amount. This is probably a more meaningful interaction in the scheme of things, and CCP can slowly and carefully ramp up the level of impact that Dust battles have.
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Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
807
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:16:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Shove it down their throats, even if they pound their feet on the ground they will thank you for it later.
CCP have tried to shove things down the throats of Eve players before. It took them 2 years to recover. There is absolutely no way in hell that CCP are going to let the Dust tail wag the Eve dog at this stage. They have a long term plan, and you'll have to watch it unfold with the rest of us I'm afraid. Also, don't forget that Dust FW battles do impact FW rewards in Eve, though only by a small amount. This is probably a more meaningful interaction in the scheme of things, and CCP can slowly and carefully ramp up the level of impact that Dust battles have. Difference being: WiS doesn't add anything meaningful other than some social stuff. Dust 514 can with potential add a LOT of meaningful stuff. |
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Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
523
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:19:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:Abron Garr wrote:I'm still waiting for posts from EVE players who don't want meaningful interaction.
Let me adjust the goalposts. IRLpoors afraid to buy consoles and hisec risk-averse sh!tlords don't count. I do believe they were used to be able to do everything on their own thanks to multi boxing. Now that they have to buy a 300$ "screen" (aka PS3) to do the same thing, they're pissed. Also, mind bumping that thread for me? So far it was 100% nope from the EVE players.
Which thread?
This one that shows EVE players lamenting that the interaction is all but non-existent?
Or this one that shows Dust and EVE players lamenting that interaction is all but non-existent? |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
523
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:21:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Shove it down their throats, even if they pound their feet on the ground they will thank you for it later.
CCP have tried to shove things down the throats of Eve players before. It took them 2 years to recover. There is absolutely no way in hell that CCP are going to let the Dust tail wag the Eve dog at this stage. They have a long term plan, and you'll have to watch it unfold with the rest of us I'm afraid. Also, don't forget that Dust FW battles do impact FW rewards in Eve, though only by a small amount. This is probably a more meaningful interaction in the scheme of things, and CCP can slowly and carefully ramp up the level of impact that Dust battles have.
They impact the rewards, not the actual fight. There is a huge difference between the two. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2028
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:23:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:CCP, don't look for the approval of EVE players for meaningful integration. A huge chunck of EVE players have their nose up in the sky with the "PC gaming master race" attitude. They're the people who don't want anything to do with Dust, and they're the people who don't want any MEANINGFUL IMPACT from Dust. (Sorry CCP, orbital bombardment isn't really meaningful in the bigger scope) Shove it down their throats, even if they pound their feet on the ground they will thank you for it later. A little quote: Judy Maat wrote:There will always be a lack of meaningful interactions between the 2 game as long as their policy of: "either game should be able to survive without the other one"
You could go and ask even the best game designers to work with this kind of constraints and they will eventually throw the towel. Well, I see a lot of EVE players that want full integration.
I think the biggest factor in it taking so long is CCP being horrified of breaking ****. I mean, small **** is cool, because you can fix it, but imagine what would happen if there was a sudden spike in inflation that wrecked the whole economy?
That pretty much sinks all of EVE right there for at least a few days, maybe longer. |
Oso Peresoso
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:26:00 -
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The OP clearly doesn't know anyone that plays Eve. |
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
525
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:29:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:The OP clearly doesn't know anyone that plays Eve.
Yes, I'm starting to think that as well. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
809
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:35:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:The OP clearly doesn't know anyone that plays Eve. The OP is an EVE player. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
453
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:37:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Well, I see a lot of EVE players that want full integration.
I think the biggest factor in it taking so long is CCP being horrified of breaking ****. I mean, small **** is cool, because you can fix it, but imagine what would happen if there was a sudden spike in inflation that wrecked the whole economy?
That pretty much sinks all of EVE right there for at least a few months, maybe longer.
FTFY |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2030
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:41:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Well, I see a lot of EVE players that want full integration.
I think the biggest factor in it taking so long is CCP being horrified of breaking ****. I mean, small **** is cool, because you can fix it, but imagine what would happen if there was a sudden spike in inflation that wrecked the whole economy?
That pretty much sinks all of EVE right there for at least a few months, maybe longer. FTFY I didn't want to seem like I was exaggerating. |
R F Gyro
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
373
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:44:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:R F Gyro wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Shove it down their throats, even if they pound their feet on the ground they will thank you for it later.
CCP have tried to shove things down the throats of Eve players before. It took them 2 years to recover. There is absolutely no way in hell that CCP are going to let the Dust tail wag the Eve dog at this stage. They have a long term plan, and you'll have to watch it unfold with the rest of us I'm afraid. Also, don't forget that Dust FW battles do impact FW rewards in Eve, though only by a small amount. This is probably a more meaningful interaction in the scheme of things, and CCP can slowly and carefully ramp up the level of impact that Dust battles have. Difference being: WiS doesn't add anything meaningful other than some social stuff. Dust 514 can with potential add a LOT of meaningful stuff.
WiS could potentially add a LOT of meaningful stuff.
It just didn't when they released it. Same as the Dust/Eve link. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
707
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Posted - 2013.06.21 17:45:00 -
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Looking for approval and getting input are two very different things. CCP shouldn't (and I believe don't) look for approval from Eve players on any aspects of the integration but they should talk to them to find out what they'd like to see in terms of integration, so we can figure out what will properly incentivise interaction from their side. |
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hooc roht
Deep Space Republic
43
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Posted - 2013.06.21 18:08:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:CCP, don't look for the approval of EVE players for meaningful integration. A huge chunck of EVE players have their nose up in the sky with the "PC gaming master race" attitude. They're the people who don't want anything to do with Dust, and they're the people who don't want any MEANINGFUL IMPACT from Dust. (Sorry CCP, orbital bombardment isn't really meaningful in the bigger scope) Shove it down their throats, even if they pound their feet on the ground they will thank you for it later. A little quote: Judy Maat wrote:There will always be a lack of meaningful interactions between the 2 game as long as their policy of: "either game should be able to survive without the other one"
You could go and ask even the best game designers to work with this kind of constraints and they will eventually throw the towel.
It amuses me that you think there is any further integration beyond PC in the works....regardless of why you think is being held back.
How long have you known PC was coming? 6 months? a year?
How much info has CCP given about future integration?
That is right; none.
We will not see any new integration until 6 months to a year after CCP tells us what they plan to do....and right now and in the foreseeable future CCP is going to be working on salvaging their game from the trash heap of failed games...if they actually pull that off (it is pretty unlikely) i would not expect more integration for at least 2 years. |
Nebra Tene
Roaming Blades
90
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:41:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:CCP, don't look for the approval of EVE players for meaningful integration. A huge chunck of EVE players have their nose up in the sky with the "PC gaming master race" attitude. They're the people who don't want anything to do with Dust, and they're the people who don't want any MEANINGFUL IMPACT from Dust. (Sorry CCP, orbital bombardment isn't really meaningful in the bigger scope) Shove it down their throats, even if they pound their feet on the ground they will thank you for it later. A little quote: Judy Maat wrote:There will always be a lack of meaningful interactions between the 2 game as long as their policy of: "either game should be able to survive without the other one"
You could go and ask even the best game designers to work with this kind of constraints and they will eventually throw the towel.
Problem being, EVE is their job, their main money maker, DUST just a hobby, a side project. They're not going to mess with their job just to make the hobby better, they will mess with the hobby to make the job better, but no company in their right mind would prioritize an experiment over their main project. |
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GM Hercules
Game Masters C C P Alliance
482
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:46:00 -
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Locking this thread now.
Thanks.
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