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Kitten Empress wrote:

Roldrage wrote:

Kitten Empress wrote:

Shane Darko wrote:

Killed many with a plasma cannon,they should fear that weapon.

It seems to me at times that it can be underestimated,in those who have not used it well its a pain to use.

To the hands of someone who can knows how to use it,yeah it can be underestimated.

Killed tanks,lavs and even one shot heavy's,and even if it grazes someone,then that's what my SMG is for.

I have made a thread about how to use this weapon.
Trust me, I have tested it again and again, but all other weapons beat it.
Its USEABLE, just USELESS.

I wouldn't say completely useless, it is very effective against heavies and shotty scouts and as spec said it is very effective at dealing with installations (the best infantry AI weapon to do so by far).

Dealing with installations?
Forge guns and swarm launchers do it just fine, I don't see what plasma launchers give you that they don't.
As for shotty scouts, it would be useful if the projectile didn't move like a snail.

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Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 741	Posted - 2013.06.21 05:20:00 - [1] - Quote Really. The projectile speed of the plasma launcher coupled with the falloff make it a close to close-medium weapon. This is exactly where the AV grenade is, only you can spam them, each does more damage, you usually don't know where they're coming from and more. With other AV weapons you at least have range, or lock on ability, or something, but not with the plasma launcher. So what is the point of the Plasma launcher?
Acturus Galaxy Horizons' Edge Orion Empire 57	Posted - 2013.06.21 05:33:00 - [2] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: Really. The projectile speed of the plasma launcher coupled with the falloff make it a close to close-medium weapon. This is exactly where the AV grenade is, only you can spam them, each does more damage, you usually don't know where they're coming from and more. With other AV weapons you at least have range, or lock on ability, or something, but not with the plasma launcher. So what is the point of the Plasma launcher? It is great at taking out stationary objects like turrets even at long distances. I have it on my AV fit with packet grenades and it is as you say secondary to the AV grenades. I throw the AV grenades first as they are easier to hit with and do more damage. The plasma canon definitely need some updating, hope it is included in the weapon rebalancing in 1.2. It is very fun to use up close as long as you are not alone, you will need time to retreat and reload after each shot. And it can be used at long range to break up camping reddots whom are using tactical ARs that are preventing your team from advancing. I have a few times experienced the red dots get really mad at me and chaase me over long distances. Might not get many kills but it definitly is annoying for the opposite team.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2318	Posted - 2013.06.21 05:37:00 - [3] - Quote people use the Plasma cannon on vehicles?! AS AV??!!! dafuq.. it's brilliant against infantry... as AV it's like farting against thunder.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 744	Posted - 2013.06.21 05:52:00 - [4] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: people use the Plasma cannon on vehicles?! AS AV??!!! dafuq.. it's brilliant against infantry... as AV it's like farting against thunder. Let me introduce you the forge gun, a much better gun vs infantry. Or the mass driver, which is a rapid fire version of the plasma launcher. Or any other weapon.
JETSTORM1090 Against All Oddz 90	Posted - 2013.06.21 06:07:00 - [5] - Quote The weapon is a joke, I think a heavy with nova knives would do better than the plasma cannon haha
Godin Thekiller Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 164	Posted - 2013.06.21 07:40:00 - [6] - Quote I like it. It's a really good ambuh weapon, and scares the **** out of people peace, Godin
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 140	Posted - 2013.06.21 07:42:00 - [7] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: I like it. It's a really good ambuh weapon, and scares the **** out of people peace, Godin Really? When they see me shooting a giant ball of death at them they just run faster towards me because they know that weapon is a joke.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 745	Posted - 2013.06.21 07:45:00 - [8] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: I like it. It's a really good ambuh weapon, and scares the **** out of people peace, Godin Really? When they see me shooting a giant ball of death at them they just run faster towards me because they know that weapon is a joke. I keep my distance because I know I can out manevour it easly. Or if I'm cought in CQC, I just jump. Its blast radius is so small, jumping prevents it from hitting me. And if he misses, its bye bye to him.
Shane Darko The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 71	Posted - 2013.06.21 07:48:00 - [9] - Quote Killed many with a plasma cannon,they should fear that weapon. It seems to me at times that it can be underestimated,in those who have not used it well its a pain to use. To the hands of someone who can knows how to use it,yeah it can be underestimated. Killed tanks,lavs and even one shot heavy's,and even if it grazes someone,then that's what my SMG is for.
Roldrage Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 66	Posted - 2013.06.21 08:29:00 - [10] - Quote I use it because I find it fun to use. As AV though it does suck, I mean it takes 2 direct shots just to kill a militia LAV with a proto cannon +3 complex damage mods, it needs +50% damage against vehicles imo if it is to be considered an AV weapon.

Spectral Clone The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 30	Posted - 2013.06.21 08:39:00 - [11] - Quote Im a regular PLC user. This weapon is not exclusively a AV weapon, it is a anti infantry weapon that can also take on slow moving vehicles by sneaking up on them and firing in close range. Also very good at getting rid of turrets. Better at doing this than a tank IMO. Pair the plasma cannon with a smg and you got a really dangerous combo. Learn to play or gtfo.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 747	Posted - 2013.06.21 08:40:00 - [12] - Quote Shane Darko wrote: Killed many with a plasma cannon,they should fear that weapon. It seems to me at times that it can be underestimated,in those who have not used it well its a pain to use. To the hands of someone who can knows how to use it,yeah it can be underestimated. Killed tanks,lavs and even one shot heavy's,and even if it grazes someone,then that's what my SMG is for. I have made a thread about how to use this weapon. Trust me, I have tested it again and again, but all other weapons beat it. Its USEABLE, just USELESS.
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 747	Posted - 2013.06.21 08:42:00 - [13] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Im a regular PLC user. This weapon is not exclusively a AV weapon, it is a anti infantry weapon that can also take on slow moving vehicles by sneaking up on them and firing in close range. Also very good at getting rid of turrets. Better at doing this than a tank IMO. Pair the plasma cannon with a smg and you got a really dangerous combo. Learn to play or gtfo. You should GTFO. All weapons do what it does better, having it in one doesn't do much if its useless in both. It takes two shoots for a proto plasma launcher + 3x complex damage mods to take down a MLT LAV. It requires a direct hit from a slow moving projectile with dropoff to actually kill anything. It has a charge up time for no reason at all. There is also a weird delay after you fire it, that makes switching to an SMG pointless as by the time it triggers you are already dead.
Roldrage Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 66	Posted - 2013.06.21 08:44:00 - [14] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: Shane Darko wrote: Killed many with a plasma cannon,they should fear that weapon. It seems to me at times that it can be underestimated,in those who have not used it well its a pain to use. To the hands of someone who can knows how to use it,yeah it can be underestimated. Killed tanks,lavs and even one shot heavy's,and even if it grazes someone,then that's what my SMG is for. I have made a thread about how to use this weapon. Trust me, I have tested it again and again, but all other weapons beat it. Its USEABLE, just USELESS. I wouldn't say completely useless, it is very effective against heavies and shotty scouts and as spec said it is very effective at dealing with installations (the best infantry AI weapon to do so by far).
Kitten Empress Ametat Security Amarr Empire 747	Posted - 2013.06.21 08:45:00 - [15] - Quote Roldrage wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: Shane Darko wrote: Killed many with a plasma cannon,they should fear that weapon. It seems to me at times that it can be underestimated,in those who have not used it well its a pain to use. To the hands of someone who can knows how to use it,yeah it can be underestimated. Killed tanks,lavs and even one shot heavy's,and even if it grazes someone,then that's what my SMG is for. I have made a thread about how to use this weapon. Trust me, I have tested it again and again, but all other weapons beat it. Its USEABLE, just USELESS. I wouldn't say completely useless, it is very effective against heavies and shotty scouts and as spec said it is very effective at dealing with installations (the best infantry AI weapon to do so by far). Dealing with installations? Forge guns and swarm launchers do it just fine, I don't see what plasma launchers give you that they don't. As for shotty scouts, it would be useful if the projectile didn't move like a snail.
Ignatius Crumwald IMPSwarm Negative-Feedback 602	Posted - 2013.06.21 08:46:00 - [16] - Quote I think the plasma cannon's shots should bound randomly around like ball lightning. That might be kind of fun.
Tharak Meuridiar The Empyrean Agency 87	Posted - 2013.06.21 08:47:00 - [17] - Quote Everything > Plasma Launcher I'm pretty sure indigestion kills more mercs than plasma launchers. You know what would be fun? If they made it like the feul rod cannon in Halo PC. Arc, AoE, moderate damage, rapid fire rate. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lNqG9YhaxoU Hmmm I thought I remembered it doing far less damage per shot and firing much faster with a much larger clip... that actually isn't far off of a MD... anyway.... I have fond memories of both those weapons. Halo PC really was the best FPS ever made in terms of how fun the combat was. If Dust got the aiming down as good and added weapons and vehicles equivalent to the ghost, banshee, and flamethower... oh and added some more maps and game modes... I would spend an unhealthy amount of time playing this game.
Roldrage Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 66	Posted - 2013.06.21 08:56:00 - [18] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: Roldrage wrote: Kitten Empress wrote: Shane Darko wrote: Killed many with a plasma cannon,they should fear that weapon. It seems to me at times that it can be underestimated,in those who have not used it well its a pain to use. To the hands of someone who can knows how to use it,yeah it can be underestimated. Killed tanks,lavs and even one shot heavy's,and even if it grazes someone,then that's what my SMG is for. I have made a thread about how to use this weapon. Trust me, I have tested it again and again, but all other weapons beat it. Its USEABLE, just USELESS. I wouldn't say completely useless, it is very effective against heavies and shotty scouts and as spec said it is very effective at dealing with installations (the best infantry AI weapon to do so by far). Dealing with installations? Forge guns and swarm launchers do it just fine, I don't see what plasma launchers give you that they don't. As for shotty scouts, it would be useful if the projectile didn't move like a snail. Swarms are AV and can't be used against infantry. Forge guns are heavy only, so you are limited on suit choice. So it offers some degree of versatility. At close range the projectile speed doesn't really matter if you aim just a little ahead of them and (I'm actually taking a guess here) is far more likely to one shot them than say a mass driver, which matters when they can kill you at a moment's notice. There have been many situations where I've spotted a shotty scout within his range and won (although stealthy ones will obviously still win against me). I'm not saying it doesn't need a buff of some sort (most notably the fixing of the hit detection) but I wouldn't call it useless, it just has a very small niche.
Epicsting pro Planetary Response Organization 20	Posted - 2013.06.21 09:01:00 - [19] - Quote Well the plasma cannon can kill logi shield logi lavs in 2 shot. I use a proto plasma cannon with proficienty 5, I have tested damage it dose 1767 and gets a 10% bonus to shied making it 1921 on a direct hit pulse splash damage is 610 with a 3.5m it make a good infantry killer plus if you max reload speed it drops to 3sec and max ammo can be 13. With all these value it light and easy to hit with making it better than a forge gun in terms of anti infantry. And because slash is so good you can afford to miss direct hits. Soo I don't thank it a crap weapon but I will take any buff on it it only make me better. And in terms of av nades they're explosive so the do less damage to shields and the logi lav build shuts them down easly.
Cyrius Li-Moody The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 186	Posted - 2013.06.21 09:07:00 - [20] - Quote I killed 2 people with a plasma launcher today. Most difficult 2 kills ever. The timing on the PL is so weird. It's definitely fun, I'll give you that.

Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 1733	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:06:00 - [21] - Quote I'm doing well it it (in the combat academy) The only reasons I can see as far as using it over AV grenades (you can still use both anyway) is that it lasts longer without a nanohive
Zero Harpuia WarRavens League of Infamy 526	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:22:00 - [22] - Quote JETSTORM1090 wrote: aheavy with nova knives This needs to be a bi-yearly event once gladiator mode hits.
The dark cloud Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1548	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:25:00 - [23] - Quote lol plasma canon. That thing is only good as a indicator to give your position away.
Knight SoIaire Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 881	Posted - 2013.06.24 00:38:00 - [24] - Quote Kitten Empress wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: people use the Plasma cannon on vehicles?! AS AV??!!! dafuq.. it's brilliant against infantry... as AV it's like farting against thunder. Let me introduce you the forge gun, a much better gun vs infantry. Or the mass driver, which is a rapid fire version of the plasma launcher. Or any other weapon. Yeah, but you've also got to remember. Contact Nades > Mass Drivers
Richard Hansaw Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 1	Posted - 2013.06.24 10:42:00 - [25] - Quote JETSTORM1090 wrote: The weapon is a joke, I think a heavy with nova knives would do better than the plasma cannon haha Lol, I actually once had a heavy with Novas run into me as I reloaded my Plasma Cannon. PLC to the face, shields gone, switch to my ADV Flaylock as he changes direction (I wonder why ), one to the feet, one to the back. No more heavy. The cannon is brilliant if you back it up with a SMG or a Flaylock Pistol. Or have covering fire, and then flank them and screw them up. Or keep them suppressed and have your squad catch them without shields. I find it to be the weapon you must get most creative with, but it can be really fun and rewarding once you nail it.
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 933	Posted - 2013.06.24 11:00:00 - [26] - Quote Shane Darko wrote: Killed many with a plasma cannon,they should fear that weapon. It seems to me at times that it can be underestimated,in those who have not used it well its a pain to use. To the hands of someone who can knows how to use it,yeah it can be underestimated. Killed tanks,lavs and even one shot heavy's,and even if it grazes someone,then that's what my SMG is for. Challenge accepted: If you can get a video with you killing 10 people with a plasma cannon in one game, using ONLY the plasma cannon. I'll buy you some AUR.
Spectral Clone The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 34	Posted - 2013.06.24 11:33:00 - [27] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Shane Darko wrote: Killed many with a plasma cannon,they should fear that weapon. It seems to me at times that it can be underestimated,in those who have not used it well its a pain to use. To the hands of someone who can knows how to use it,yeah it can be underestimated. Killed tanks,lavs and even one shot heavy's,and even if it grazes someone,then that's what my SMG is for. Challenge accepted: If you can get a video with you killing 10 people with a plasma cannon in one game, using ONLY the plasma cannon. I'll buy you some AUR. Damn, I dont have a video capturer. Went 21 / 3 with PLC in one game...


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