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Colonel Killar
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:52:00 -
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Have you seen matches full of proto logis? It's lovely to see all of these logis pub-stomping matches instead of assaults. but what is each role supposed to do. Logis are meant to support the team and the assaults are meant to fight, but logis do need to defend themselves.
What do you think need or should be done to make each more into their perspective roles.
I think that Logis should recive less WP from kills and more WP from repair, revives and resuppling, and spawns(anything related to equipment) for example half WP from kills and x1.5(or x2) WP from Repair, Resupply, Reviving allies, and Spawning allies in.
Constructive critisisim is reccomended |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
139
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:57:00 -
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Hmm... This is a tough one. I run logi myself and it is easy getting WP. I don't think an increase in WP for supporting the team is the way to go. I would say allow logi to only use sidearms but I love using Mass Driver, great for support. |
dday3six
Intrepidus XI
Omega Commission
16
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:00:00 -
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Lowers the Caldari Logi bonus or change it all together. That's what needs to be done. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
502
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:06:00 -
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Switch the light slot for a sidearm
Alternatively since the Caldari one is what people are bitching about change the bonus to reducing the delay to shield recharging or something |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:16:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Switch the light slot for a sidearm
Alternatively since the Caldari one is what people are bitching about change the bonus to reducing the delay to shield recharging or something
I think the Cal Logi needs a different bonus too. The logi needs to be able to be defendable but not able to be a killing machine but it needs to be able to use light weapons, just maybe a little less effectively |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1997
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:21:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Switch the light slot for a sidearm
Go to hell |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
889
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:22:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Switch the light slot for a sidearm Go to hell
They can only use nova knives and harsh langauge. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
107
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:23:00 -
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The logi bonus should be lower cpu/pg for equipment, then reduce cpu/pg on suits. That way the extra cpu/grid isn't used for hi/low slots with nothing or little in equipment slots.
Also. Have you seen the assualt bonuses? They should be better. Maybe you wouldn't even have to touch logis if you gave them a decent bonus. Like 5% weapon damage at proto level? |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
507
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:24:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Switch the light slot for a sidearm Go to hell
Get better with a scrambler or flaylock pistol, hell even the SMG isnt that bad or atleast the breach variant isnt |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
507
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:25:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:The logi bonus should be lower cpu/pg for equipment, then reduce cpu/pg on suits. That way the extra cpu/grid isn't used for hi/low slots with nothing or little in equipment slots.
Also. Have you seen the assualt bonuses? They should be better. Maybe you wouldn't even have to touch logis if you gave them a decent bonus. Like 5% weapon damage at proto level?
Inb4 people cry about that making swarms op |
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Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1997
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:27:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Switch the light slot for a sidearm Go to hell Get better with a scrambler or flaylock pistol, hell even the SMG isnt that bad or atleast the breach variant isnt
Yeah since my super OP hacking bonus brings so many tears in Skirmish and Domination... |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
139
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:28:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Switch the light slot for a sidearm Go to hell Get better with a scrambler or flaylock pistol, hell even the SMG isnt that bad or atleast the breach variant isnt
No thank you. Fix the aiming for the game and then I won't mind using Secondary weapons. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
510
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:30:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Switch the light slot for a sidearm Go to hell Get better with a scrambler or flaylock pistol, hell even the SMG isnt that bad or atleast the breach variant isnt Yeah since my super OP hacking bonus brings so many tears in Skirmish and Domination...
You do know it is incredibly effective though right, the faster you hack the more you can adjust the pace and locations of battles |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
510
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:30:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Switch the light slot for a sidearm Go to hell Get better with a scrambler or flaylock pistol, hell even the SMG isnt that bad or atleast the breach variant isnt No thank you. Fix the aiming for the game and then I won't mind using Secondary weapons.
Fair point |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
4473
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:34:00 -
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I'm only that knowledgeable when it comes to the Amarr logi and assault, so I will talk about those. The assault is faster, more stamina, more HP, better shield recharge; the Amarr suit trades these things for 2 more equipment slot. That one at least is balanced.
I don't know about the other suits, but I do know the Caldari logi is a real problem. The rest could just be explained by preference, but I'm still not sure. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1998
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:36:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Switch the light slot for a sidearm Go to hell Get better with a scrambler or flaylock pistol, hell even the SMG isnt that bad or atleast the breach variant isnt Yeah since my super OP hacking bonus brings so many tears in Skirmish and Domination... You do know it is incredibly effective though right, the faster you hack the more you can adjust the pace and locations of battles
Until you see that bonus directly kill someone, keep your goddamned nerf bat away from my suit. I didn't see anyone crying for Minmatar logis to be nerfed back in Chrome. |
EternalRMG
ZionTCD
299
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:39:00 -
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The only logi that is inbalanced is the Caldari one
It has too many Slots, its too powerfull
and if you only authorize Side arms expect to de the GODlock pistol to be used everywhere
because "I have a logi and cant use ARs. Mmm... Well Flylock is most OP sidearm so....why not" |
Adelia Lafayette
DUST University
Ivy League
75
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:44:00 -
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I'm sorry that the easiest way to repair, resupply and revive my allies is to kill you first. So you might not notice me pulling out the repair tool if your there to shoot me while I do it. |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
17
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:45:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:The logi bonus should be lower cpu/pg for equipment, then reduce cpu/pg on suits. That way the extra cpu/grid isn't used for hi/low slots with nothing or little in equipment slots.
Also. Have you seen the assualt bonuses? They should be better. Maybe you wouldn't even have to touch logis if you gave them a decent bonus. Like 5% weapon damage at proto level?
I like this idea for balencing Logi's it would emphasize their role on the battlefield. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
2000
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:45:00 -
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Adelia Lafayette wrote:I'm sorry that the easiest way to repair, resupply and revive my allies is to kill you first. So you might not notice me pulling out the repair tool if your there to shoot me while I do it.
^Playing the game correctly. |
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Colonel Killar
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
17
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:47:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Switch the light slot for a sidearm Go to hell Get better with a scrambler or flaylock pistol, hell even the SMG isnt that bad or atleast the breach variant isnt Yeah since my super OP hacking bonus brings so many tears in Skirmish and Domination... You do know it is incredibly effective though right, the faster you hack the more you can adjust the pace and locations of battles
But noone ever QQ about non-combat roles |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
2000
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:48:00 -
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So, let me ask this like I've asked in the 4349037230957 nerf logi topics before this one. How are all logis an issue? I don't see any Amarr, Gallente or Minmatar logis beasting on the field. If you do, ask them what their fits are. The rest of us logis must not be doing something right. |
We are 138
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
38
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:49:00 -
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Colonel Killar wrote:Have you seen matches full of proto logis? It's lovely to see all of these logis pub-stomping matches instead of assaults. but what is each role supposed to do. Logis are meant to support the team and the assaults are meant to fight, but logis do need to defend themselves.
What do you think need or should be done to make each more into their perspective roles.
I think that Logis should recive less WP from kills and more WP from repair, revives and resuppling, and spawns(anything related to equipment) for example half WP from kills and x1.5(or x2) WP from Repair, Resupply, Reviving allies, and Spawning allies in.
Constructive critisisim is reccomended
I play a proto logi and I agree, its broken the quick and easy way would be to limit a logi suit to ONLY have a side arm. |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
17
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:50:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:So, let me ask this like I've asked in the 4349037230957 nerf logi topics before this one. How are all logis an issue? I don't see any Amarr, Gallente or Minmatar logis beasting on the field. If you do, ask them what their fits are. The rest of us logis must not be doing something right.
Ok sure lets focus on the only really unbalenced one, the cal logi, you do know what you are talking about. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
108
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:51:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:P14GU3 wrote:The logi bonus should be lower cpu/pg for equipment, then reduce cpu/pg on suits. That way the extra cpu/grid isn't used for hi/low slots with nothing or little in equipment slots.
Also. Have you seen the assualt bonuses? They should be better. Maybe you wouldn't even have to touch logis if you gave them a decent bonus. Like 5% weapon damage at proto level? Inb4 people cry about that making swarms op
Nah. Specfic racial bonus. No clue what they would be. Gal gets AR, mini get MD, amarr get laser, cal gets sniper? |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
2000
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:54:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:P14GU3 wrote:The logi bonus should be lower cpu/pg for equipment, then reduce cpu/pg on suits. That way the extra cpu/grid isn't used for hi/low slots with nothing or little in equipment slots.
Also. Have you seen the assualt bonuses? They should be better. Maybe you wouldn't even have to touch logis if you gave them a decent bonus. Like 5% weapon damage at proto level? Inb4 people cry about that making swarms op Nah. Specfic racial bonus. No clue what they would be. Gal gets AR, mini get MD, amarr get laser, cal gets sniper?
Every race uses missiles. |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
17
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:54:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:P14GU3 wrote:The logi bonus should be lower cpu/pg for equipment, then reduce cpu/pg on suits. That way the extra cpu/grid isn't used for hi/low slots with nothing or little in equipment slots.
Also. Have you seen the assualt bonuses? They should be better. Maybe you wouldn't even have to touch logis if you gave them a decent bonus. Like 5% weapon damage at proto level? Inb4 people cry about that making swarms op Nah. Specfic racial bonus. No clue what they would be. Gal gets AR, mini get MD, amarr get laser, cal gets sniper?
or Gal Shotty+AR mini ComR+MD, Amarr ScR + LR, Cal GR +Sniper |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
17
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:55:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:P14GU3 wrote:Delta 749 wrote:P14GU3 wrote:The logi bonus should be lower cpu/pg for equipment, then reduce cpu/pg on suits. That way the extra cpu/grid isn't used for hi/low slots with nothing or little in equipment slots.
Also. Have you seen the assualt bonuses? They should be better. Maybe you wouldn't even have to touch logis if you gave them a decent bonus. Like 5% weapon damage at proto level? Inb4 people cry about that making swarms op Nah. Specfic racial bonus. No clue what they would be. Gal gets AR, mini get MD, amarr get laser, cal gets sniper? Every race uses missiles.
Correct |
Nimerae
LineZerkers
57
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:56:00 -
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Just switch the bonuses from logi and assault around? |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
17
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Posted - 2013.06.21 01:59:00 -
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Nimerae wrote:Just switch the bonuses from logi and assault around?
No, that wouldn't fix much |
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