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Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
699
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:07:00 -
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Heavies, if you ever feel alone and underpowered, come to me. I'm as slow as you guys from plates, but I have half the eHP *sniff* Lets hug, while CCP plans on how to nerf us even more.
-Gallente Assault |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
699
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:08:00 -
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Damn, I didn't think this through! I can't breath! Damn heavy hugs! |
AION ETERNITY
Wrath Of The Lamb
2
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:08:00 -
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But your aiming and turning speed is unaffected. And please stop it, you're not cute. |
P14GU3
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
101
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:10:00 -
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Wayt four me gais!
- Gallente Logi |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
699
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:10:00 -
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AION ETERNITY wrote:But your aiming and turning speed is unaffected. And please stop it, you're not cute. Fun fact, it is. CCP decided it would be a smart idea to code in a relation between turning speed and movement speed. I can't track Caldari assaults because of this, they strafe faster than my aim can move. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
699
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:17:00 -
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P14GU3 wrote:Wayt four me gais!
- Gallente Logi Who what now?
-Caldari Logi |
RevoL Frog
The Generals EoN.
31
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:32:00 -
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How about instead of equiping plates you put on something else like shield regulators, and movement enhancement modifiers like kinetic catalyzers to make you as fast as a scout. Problem solved.
I'd argue that's what you're supposed to do with that suit anyway... |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
699
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:35:00 -
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RevoL Frog wrote:How about instead of equiping plates you put on something else like shield regulators, and movement enhancement modifiers like kinetic catalyzers to make you as fast as a scout. Problem solved.
I'd argue that's what you're supposed to do with that suit anyway... 120 shields 210 armor And you're suggesting to shield tank? |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:38:00 -
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Plates do not make you on equal terms with a Heavy sporting an HMG. Unless you are running an SMG or shotgun as a primary, most other weapon choices still have better range than the HMG, and in an FPS, range matters. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
699
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:45:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Plates do not make you on equal terms with a Heavy sporting an HMG. Unless you are running an SMG or shotgun as a primary, most other weapon choices still have better range than the HMG, and in an FPS, range matters. A heavy can use an AR, and then what? I have the same speed, same turning speed, half the eHP... |
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IRON PATRIOT 1
Ill Gotten Gains
8
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:46:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:RevoL Frog wrote:How about instead of equiping plates you put on something else like shield regulators, and movement enhancement modifiers like kinetic catalyzers to make you as fast as a scout. Problem solved.
I'd argue that's what you're supposed to do with that suit anyway... 120 shields 210 armor And you're suggesting to shield tank? What you just described is a Caldari Assault, only they do it better, because their suit is made for shield tanking >_>
If you shield tank you could have up to 400 shields add that to your armor you'll have over 600 hp which is more than my cal logi setup. Just put some shield Regulators, kc's and cr's on your lows you'll be good. You Gallente guys just wanna stack damage mods and armor tank your suits. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
700
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:48:00 -
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IRON PATRIOT 1 wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:RevoL Frog wrote:How about instead of equiping plates you put on something else like shield regulators, and movement enhancement modifiers like kinetic catalyzers to make you as fast as a scout. Problem solved.
I'd argue that's what you're supposed to do with that suit anyway... 120 shields 210 armor And you're suggesting to shield tank? What you just described is a Caldari Assault, only they do it better, because their suit is made for shield tanking >_> If you shield tank you could have up to 400 shields add that to your armor you'll have over 600 hp which is more than my cal logi setup. Just put some shield Regulators, kc's and cr's on your lows you'll be good. You Gallente guys just wanna stack damage mods and armor tank your suits. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87752&find=unread Everything you said is invalid. Especially the HP part.
Let me give you a hint: Caldari = 25hp/s
Gallente = 0hp/s |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:49:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Plates do not make you on equal terms with a Heavy sporting an HMG. Unless you are running an SMG or shotgun as a primary, most other weapon choices still have better range than the HMG, and in an FPS, range matters. A heavy can use an AR, and then what? I have the same speed, same turning speed, half the eHP...
That is why I specifically stated the HMG Heavy. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
700
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:51:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Plates do not make you on equal terms with a Heavy sporting an HMG. Unless you are running an SMG or shotgun as a primary, most other weapon choices still have better range than the HMG, and in an FPS, range matters. A heavy can use an AR, and then what? I have the same speed, same turning speed, half the eHP... That is why I specifically stated the HMG Heavy. I don't see why you did that, but k. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:54:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Plates do not make you on equal terms with a Heavy sporting an HMG. Unless you are running an SMG or shotgun as a primary, most other weapon choices still have better range than the HMG, and in an FPS, range matters. A heavy can use an AR, and then what? I have the same speed, same turning speed, half the eHP... That is why I specifically stated the HMG Heavy. I don't see why you did that, but k.
Why? Why not? Unless you are running an SMG or Shotgun as a primary, you will always have the advantage of being able to out range an HMG Heavy, thus not making you on equal terms with them. |
IRON PATRIOT 1
Ill Gotten Gains
8
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:56:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:IRON PATRIOT 1 wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:RevoL Frog wrote:How about instead of equiping plates you put on something else like shield regulators, and movement enhancement modifiers like kinetic catalyzers to make you as fast as a scout. Problem solved.
I'd argue that's what you're supposed to do with that suit anyway... 120 shields 210 armor And you're suggesting to shield tank? What you just described is a Caldari Assault, only they do it better, because their suit is made for shield tanking >_> If you shield tank you could have up to 400 shields add that to your armor you'll have over 600 hp which is more than my cal logi setup. Just put some shield Regulators, kc's and cr's on your lows you'll be good. You Gallente guys just wanna stack damage mods and armor tank your suits. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87752&find=unreadEverything you said is invalid. Especially the HP part. Let me give you a hint: Caldari = 25hp/s Gallente = 0hp/s
Did you read the article you linked here yourself? What does that have to with you putting three complex shield extenders on your suit with your dropsuit shield upgrades at lvl 5 to give you 397 shields?
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martinofski
Rebelles A Quebec Orion Empire
225
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:56:00 -
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Your slow plated assauly suit is my fast heavy. Think about that and the time i will have 4 complex plates on... |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
700
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:56:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Plates do not make you on equal terms with a Heavy sporting an HMG. Unless you are running an SMG or shotgun as a primary, most other weapon choices still have better range than the HMG, and in an FPS, range matters. A heavy can use an AR, and then what? I have the same speed, same turning speed, half the eHP... That is why I specifically stated the HMG Heavy. I don't see why you did that, but k. Why? Why not? Unless you are running an SMG or Shotgun as a primary, you will always have the advantage of being able to out range an HMG Heavy, thus not making you on equal terms with them. I do not see your logic. Both the heavy and the assault can trade range for DPS. If they want to have the same DPS/range, they can, and yet the Gallente assault is at a disadvantage, having half the eHP while having the same speed. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
700
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Posted - 2013.06.19 23:57:00 -
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martinofski wrote:Your slow plated assauly suit is my fast heavy. Think about that and the time i will have 4 complex plates on... And what is the HP difference? >_> |
Nimerae
LineZerkers
56
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Posted - 2013.06.20 00:00:00 -
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Cant't wait for the caldari heavy, 800+ shields :D |
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Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
702
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Posted - 2013.06.20 00:02:00 -
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Nimerae wrote:Cant't wait for the shield heavy, 800+ shields :D Can't wait for the Gallente heavy, 800+ stationary armor D: |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2013.06.20 00:11:00 -
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@Kitten Empress
Let me put it this way:
-Run with an SMG or Shotgun and maybe you'll get a hug from my Heavy who is specced into the HMG
I will not swap out for the AR, ScR, or LR in hopes of increasing my range to be similar to you. I am an HMG Heavy, and if you want to feel any sympathy from myself or the other HMG Heavies, get on our level and equip something with bad range and high bullet dispersion. Otherwise, you deserve no hugs. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
704
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Posted - 2013.06.20 00:24:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:@Kitten Empress
Let me put it this way:
-Run with an SMG or Shotgun and maybe you'll get a hug from my Heavy who is specced into the HMG
I will not swap out for the AR, ScR, or LR in hopes of increasing my range to be similar to you. I am an HMG Heavy, and if you want to feel any sympathy from myself or the other HMG Heavies, get on our level and equip something with bad range and high bullet dispersion. Otherwise, you deserve no hugs. Trust me, I did. I know that feel bro. Hugs? |
PlanetSide2Bomber
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.20 03:09:00 -
[24] - Quote
Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this.........
Planetside 2
Coming to PS4 this year Insane Infantry Push Amazing Night Battle Night to Day Canyon Battle Intense Field Battle Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air
NC Montage
Factions Explained |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2013
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Posted - 2013.06.20 03:24:00 -
[25] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2nWNZfKFSI |
DildoMcnutz
The Tickle Monsters
12
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Posted - 2013.06.20 03:41:00 -
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There is nothing wrong with the gallente suit IMO, sure your plate options suck but you shouldnt be stacking complex plates anyway. Here is what my high and low slot load outs on the CK.0 and GK.0 would be (keep in mind i dont like shield rechargers)
CK.0 = 2 complex extenders and 2 complex damage mods, Basic plate complex repper and cpu upgrade. Shield hp = 408 taking 16 seconds to recharge Armour hp = 215 taking 43 seconds to recharge total hp = 623 with 59 seconds to regain total health assuming you getting raped.
GK.0 = 1 complex extender and 2 complex damage mods, basic plate, 2 complex reppers and cpu upgrade shiled hp = 222 taking 11 seconds to recharge Armour hp = 327 taking 27 seconds to recharge total hp = 549 taking 38 seconds to regain total health assuming you get raped.
now there is a difference of 74 hp but the gallente suit will recover total hp much faster. Also i think that given the caldari suit will be using up more pg from extenders than the gallente it probably wont fit a complex repper on there ( i like running good nades and nanohives so there may not be enough pg left to put on a good repper) slowing total hp regen further. The gallente suit is a great suit but people need to stop stacking heavy ass plates and complaining they run slow as hell when it really is a silly thing to do in the first place.
Just my 2 cents slot load outs can be different so feel free to call me a noob or whatever |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
333
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Posted - 2013.06.20 03:45:00 -
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picking low slot based suits then complaining about ehp or speed when you know what armor plates are is just silly. If you wanted ehp without sacrificing speed, you shouldve picked a high slot suit. If you wanted to stack sprint or pasisve scanning then you should have gone with gallante.
It would be like speccing into shotty and complaining about range. Or HMG and complaining about range. Oh wait...the latter is actually happening in this thread.
Hint if every suit is capabale of doing the same thing as every other suit, they become meaningless. They are different for a reason. You want speed and ehp, go anything but gallante. |
stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
148
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Posted - 2013.06.20 03:49:00 -
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Just wait for the ferroscale armor plates, less HP than the current plates but no speed/movement penalty. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
709
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Posted - 2013.06.20 03:56:00 -
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Bones McGavins wrote:picking low slot based suits then complaining about ehp or speed when you know what armor plates are is just silly. If you wanted ehp without sacrificing speed, you shouldve picked a high slot suit. If you wanted to stack sprint or pasisve scanning then you should have gone with gallante.
It would be like speccing into shotty and complaining about range. Or HMG and complaining about range. Oh wait...the latter is actually happening in this thread.
Hint if every suit is capabale of doing the same thing as every other suit, they become meaningless. They are different for a reason. You want speed and ehp, go anything but gallante. Sigh. You have no idea. I would be fine to have a speed penalty if there was a reason to it. But there isn't. Absolutely no reason. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87752&find=unread |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
709
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:05:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Just wait for the ferroscale armor plates, less HP than the current plates but no speed/movement penalty. Less HP than shield extenders. Which is stupid when you consider that armor needs repairers, while shield can stack extenders all day long. |
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Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
710
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:11:00 -
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DildoMcnutz wrote:There is nothing wrong with the gallente suit IMO, sure your plate options suck but you shouldnt be stacking complex plates anyway. Here is what my high and low slot load outs on the CK.0 and GK.0 would be (keep in mind i dont like shield rechargers) CK.0 = 2 complex extenders and 2 complex damage mods, Basic plate complex repper and cpu upgrade. Shield hp = 408 taking 16 seconds to recharge Armour hp = 215 taking 43 seconds to recharge total hp = 623 with 59 seconds to regain total health assuming you getting raped. GK.0 = 1 complex extender and 2 complex damage mods, basic plate, 2 complex reppers and cpu upgrade shiled hp = 222 taking 11 seconds to recharge Armour hp = 327 taking 27 seconds to recharge total hp = 549 taking 38 seconds to regain total health assuming you get raped. now there is a difference of 74 hp but the gallente suit will recover total hp much faster. Also i think that given the caldari suit will be using up more pg from extenders than the gallente it probably wont fit a complex repper on there ( i like running good nades and nanohives so there may not be enough pg left to put on a good repper) slowing total hp regen further. The gallente suit is a great suit but people need to stop stacking heavy ass plates and complaining they run slow as hell when it really is a silly thing to do in the first place. Just my 2 cents slot load outs can be different so feel free to call me a noob or whatever Dual tanking. Anyone can dual tank. I'm talking about pure shields/armor. That's where the disparity comes in. |
Aoena Rays
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
222
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:12:00 -
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Kitten, is your mission to make as many threads as possible? :D |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
209
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:12:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:Heavies, if you ever feel alone and underpowered, come to me. I'm as slow as you guys from plates, but I have half the eHP *sniff* Lets hug, while CCP plans on how to nerf us even more.
-Gallente Assault
Gallente.... ugh.
Proud to be Amarr baby! |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
710
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:14:00 -
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Aoena Rays wrote:Kitten, is your mission to make as many threads as possible? :D meow |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
710
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:14:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Heavies, if you ever feel alone and underpowered, come to me. I'm as slow as you guys from plates, but I have half the eHP *sniff* Lets hug, while CCP plans on how to nerf us even more.
-Gallente Assault Gallente.... ugh. Proud to be Amarr baby! We need to stay together against CCP the Caldari tyrant. |
Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
290
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:29:00 -
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Yeah, so, I'm not going to lie. I don't like Cat/Kitten's style of "troll for balance."
But as an HMG Heavy, I eat Gallente Assaults for breakfast. It feels like being the fat kid who's always picked on, then involuntarily picking on the skinny dorky kid instead. It just feels bad.
I eat Caldari Logi for dinner as long as I have a flux appetizer, but never for breakfast.
Armor tanked suits are just way too soft and squishy. And the 1.2 changes coming our way aren't going to make them any firmer or less squishy. This is a legitimate issue, troll or not. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
711
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:35:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:Yeah, so, I'm not going to lie. I don't like Cat/Kitten's style of "troll for balance."
But as an HMG Heavy, I eat Gallente Assaults for breakfast. It feels like being the fat kid who's always picked on, then involuntarily picking on the skinny dorky kid instead. It just feels bad.
I eat Caldari Logi for dinner as long as I have a flux appetizer, but never for breakfast.
Armor tanked suits are just way too soft and squishy. And the 1.2 changes coming our way aren't going to make them any firmer or less squishy. This is a legitimate issue, troll or not. Its the speed. The main problem with the HMG is people who strafe, which is why scouts are such a challenge if the scout knows what he's doing. But ever had a problem hitting a heavy with the HMG? No? What about even squishier suits at the same speed?
P.S
HMG does 110% damage to armor. |
DildoMcnutz
The Tickle Monsters
12
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:39:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:DildoMcnutz wrote:There is nothing wrong with the gallente suit IMO, sure your plate options suck but you shouldnt be stacking complex plates anyway. Here is what my high and low slot load outs on the CK.0 and GK.0 would be (keep in mind i dont like shield rechargers) CK.0 = 2 complex extenders and 2 complex damage mods, Basic plate complex repper and cpu upgrade. Shield hp = 408 taking 16 seconds to recharge Armour hp = 215 taking 43 seconds to recharge total hp = 623 with 59 seconds to regain total health assuming you getting raped. GK.0 = 1 complex extender and 2 complex damage mods, basic plate, 2 complex reppers and cpu upgrade shiled hp = 222 taking 11 seconds to recharge Armour hp = 327 taking 27 seconds to recharge total hp = 549 taking 38 seconds to regain total health assuming you get raped. now there is a difference of 74 hp but the gallente suit will recover total hp much faster. Also i think that given the caldari suit will be using up more pg from extenders than the gallente it probably wont fit a complex repper on there ( i like running good nades and nanohives so there may not be enough pg left to put on a good repper) slowing total hp regen further. The gallente suit is a great suit but people need to stop stacking heavy ass plates and complaining they run slow as hell when it really is a silly thing to do in the first place. Just my 2 cents slot load outs can be different so feel free to call me a noob or whatever Dual tanking. Anyone can dual tank. I'm talking about pure shields/armor. That's where the disparity comes in.
But why tank only in shields or armour? I would think that getting your ass slapped by a specific weapon would be a bad idea, even for shields. A decked out scrambler rifle fit with high proficiency can hit shields for a good 128 damage per shot, even with 600 shields thats 5 shots and even with the 20% damage reduction to armour they are hardly going to care about a measly 90-150 armour. I know most of the armour options are gimped atm a 10% speed reduction is silly but alot of the time it feels like people are wanting to balance stuff of just total HP and assuming the game is turn based or something.
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Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
333
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:49:00 -
[39] - Quote
Kitten Empress wrote: Dual tanking. Anyone can dual tank. I'm talking about pure shields/armor. That's where the disparity comes in.
Yeah guys! If you purposefully gimp yourself, youll be less effective!
Look, Kitten. You have not once gave a reason why Armor and Shield need to be balanced. Why do they? The stats were perfectly lined out for players when they chose their suits. Why must you be able to achieve similar tanking ability in all suits? Why cant one suit be definitively better at tanking than others?
All this is aside from the debate of if they are balanced or not, the question is, why does it matter if they arent?
Why would you purposefully pick a suit that is heavy on low slots of you dont like the rules for armor tanking? Its silly.
I would pick gallante if I wanted to focus on sprint or on passive scanning. I would pick gallante if I wanted to be a sniper or LR user and didnt mind the speed penalty for increased total health.
I wouldnt pick gallante if I wanted decent health with good movement speed. And why is that bad? If every suit can do the same thing as every suit because all modules are equal, then there becomes no reason for the different suits to exist. Why would you pick gallante if you decided health+speed was important to you? |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
711
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:51:00 -
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Bones McGavins wrote:Kitten Empress wrote: Dual tanking. Anyone can dual tank. I'm talking about pure shields/armor. That's where the disparity comes in.
Yeah guys! If you purposefully gimp yourself, youll be less effective! Look, Kitten. You have not once gave a reason why Armor and Shield need to be balanced. Why do they? The stats were perfectly lined out for players when they chose their suits. Why must you be able to achieve similar tanking ability in all suits? Why cant one suit be definitively better at tanking than others?All this is aside from the debate of if they are balanced or not, the question is, why does it matter if they arent? Why would you purposefully pick a suit that is heavy on low slots of you dont like the rules for armor tanking? Its silly. I would pick gallante if I wanted to focus on sprint or on passive scanning. I would pick gallante if I wanted to be a sniper or LR user and didnt mind the speed penalty for increased total health. I wouldnt pick gallante if I wanted decent health with good movement speed. And why is that bad? If every suit can do the same thing as every suit because all modules are equal, then there becomes no reason for the different suits to exist. Why would you pick gallante if you decided health+speed was important to you? And here you have proven there is no reasoning with you. The word balance means nothing to you.
Also, I picked Gallente because we look cool ;) |
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Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
333
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:55:00 -
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The word balance means plenty.
Gallante can stack sprint mods, gallante are the only race who can get decent passive scanning. Gallante can get higher HP for less SP and isk with a speed sacrifice.
If gallante can get the same health, with the same regen, and same speed as other suits, what is the point of the other suits? If you just wanted a cosmetic differnece, then sorry, this game isnt for you, its too deep for you. Your suit has stuff its good and and bad at. In gallante, it is currently bad at high health with high speed and good passive regen. If you wanted those things you are silly for chosing gallante, that was a mistake by you.
Like, nobody forced you to chose gallante. They excel at things you have no interest in, that doesnt mean they dont excel at things.
Again instead of just insulting people, why not try to, i dunno, defend how obviously wrong you are with actual points? |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
711
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:59:00 -
[42] - Quote
Bones McGavins wrote:The word balance means plenty.
Gallante can stack sprint mods, gallante are the only race who can get decent passive scanning. Gallante can get higher HP for less SP and isk with a speed sacrifice.
If gallante can get the same health, with the same regen, and same speed as other suits, what is the point of the other suits? If you just wanted a cosmetic differnece, then sorry, this game isnt for you, its too deep for you. Your suit has stuff its good and and bad at. In gallante, it is currently bad at high health with high speed and good passive regen. If you wanted those things you are silly for chosing gallante, that was a mistake by you.
Like, nobody forced you to chose gallante. They excel at things you have no interest in, that doesnt mean they dont excel at things.
Again instead of just insulting people, why not try to, i dunno, defend how obviously wrong you are with actual points? Alright. Make a Gallente suit that excells against Caldari suits. Then post the fit. Come on. I want to see how amazing the suit is.
Teach me how to fit my suit that I spent 2 hours fitting would ya?
You obviously never EVER touched an armor suit and actually played with it. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
333
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:02:00 -
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I was a gallante scout for a long while. I focused on sprint. It worked very well and I didnt even use shotties or nova knifes. Eventually I got sick of not really being able to work with team mates well since I had to constantly be flanking to be useful so I switched to minmitar assault.
Its a different playstyle but its not "better".
I suppose I could have become a walking active scanner as gallante scout, but im too good a shot to be wasted like that :) I know some buddies of mine who Id love to turn into a gallante scout scanner. EDIT: Also my buddy is a gallante assault and he loves the easy access to larger health buffer and doesnt mind the speed since im usually up front distracting guys so hes in back keeping his fight at range. He will own anyone 1on1 at range with his armor tank, CQ isnt his strong suit though.
GASP different playstyles! |
Dust Project 514
Dust Evo 514
26
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:02:00 -
[44] - Quote
I'm sorry, Fatties. I don't mean to constantly blow your legs aparts with my Flaylocks, when you're by yourselves and not seeing me. (n+íGùòGÇ+Gùòn+í) |
DildoMcnutz
The Tickle Monsters
12
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:03:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:Bones McGavins wrote:The word balance means plenty.
Gallante can stack sprint mods, gallante are the only race who can get decent passive scanning. Gallante can get higher HP for less SP and isk with a speed sacrifice.
If gallante can get the same health, with the same regen, and same speed as other suits, what is the point of the other suits? If you just wanted a cosmetic differnece, then sorry, this game isnt for you, its too deep for you. Your suit has stuff its good and and bad at. In gallante, it is currently bad at high health with high speed and good passive regen. If you wanted those things you are silly for chosing gallante, that was a mistake by you.
Like, nobody forced you to chose gallante. They excel at things you have no interest in, that doesnt mean they dont excel at things.
Again instead of just insulting people, why not try to, i dunno, defend how obviously wrong you are with actual points? Alright. Make a Gallente suit that excells against Caldari suits. Then post the fit. Come on. I want to see how amazing the suit is. Teach me how to fit my suit that I spent 2 hours fitting would ya? You obviously never EVER touched an armor suit and actually played with it.
How is he going to do that when all you seem to wanna do is stack heavy plates? last time i checked the gallente suit was harder to kill with the assault rifle than the caldari and dont the majority of players run the AR? |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
711
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:04:00 -
[46] - Quote
Bones McGavins wrote:I was a gallante scout for a long while. I focused on sprint. It worked very well and I didnt even use shotties or nova knifes. Eventually I got sick of not really being able to work with team mates well since I had to constantly be flanking to be useful so I switched to minmitar assault.
Its a different playstyle but its not "better".
I suppose I could have become a walking active scanner as gallante scout, but im too good a shot to be wasted like that :) I know some buddies of mine who Id love to turn into a gallante scout scanner. Scout. Tanking is not something you're supposed to do buddy :P I'm talking about the brawlers, the Medium frame suits. Now that's where being a gallente REALLY sucks. |
Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
290
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:05:00 -
[47] - Quote
Kitten Empress wrote: P.S
HMG does 110% damage to armor.
I'm aware, but it isn't in a fact in favor of buffing armor tanking. (Armor bonused weapons and shield bonused weapons are about even in number, but shield bonused weapons are more popular.)
I've dealt with slowness my entire DUST career as a Heavy, and honestly, it doesn't feel like that bad of an issue. The other suits feel like I smoked meth before playing, but once you're used to the slowness of armor/fattiness you can work with it just fine.
The biggest problem I see is that shields have no detriment to using them whatsoever. They need something as significant as a speed penalty.
IMHO, it should be a massive signature penalty so that you light up on every red dot's map if you stack shields and fire your gun. But that's just me.
ED: I should add, the upcoming armor modules seem all but useless, as well. CCP seemed to make sure there is nothing interesting or useful about them when compared to the current armor mods. Bland =/= balance, CCP... |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
711
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:05:00 -
[48] - Quote
DildoMcnutz wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Bones McGavins wrote:The word balance means plenty.
Gallante can stack sprint mods, gallante are the only race who can get decent passive scanning. Gallante can get higher HP for less SP and isk with a speed sacrifice.
If gallante can get the same health, with the same regen, and same speed as other suits, what is the point of the other suits? If you just wanted a cosmetic differnece, then sorry, this game isnt for you, its too deep for you. Your suit has stuff its good and and bad at. In gallante, it is currently bad at high health with high speed and good passive regen. If you wanted those things you are silly for chosing gallante, that was a mistake by you.
Like, nobody forced you to chose gallante. They excel at things you have no interest in, that doesnt mean they dont excel at things.
Again instead of just insulting people, why not try to, i dunno, defend how obviously wrong you are with actual points? Alright. Make a Gallente suit that excells against Caldari suits. Then post the fit. Come on. I want to see how amazing the suit is. Teach me how to fit my suit that I spent 2 hours fitting would ya? You obviously never EVER touched an armor suit and actually played with it. How is he going to do that when all you seem to wanna do is stack heavy plates? last time i checked the gallente suit was harder to kill with the assault rifle than the caldari and dont the majority of players run the AR? Not anymore. I'm seeing more and more diversity, heck one match had more SCR's than AR's. Once they bring out the Minmatar Assault Rifle, may g¦¦o¦¦d¦¦ kittens help armor tankers. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
711
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:07:00 -
[49] - Quote
Disturbingly Bored wrote:Kitten Empress wrote: P.S
HMG does 110% damage to armor.
I'm aware, but it isn't in a fact in favor of buffing armor tanking. (Armor bonused weapons and shield bonused weapons are about even in number, but shield bonused weapons are more popular.) I've dealt with slowness my entire DUST career as a Heavy, and honestly, it doesn't feel like that bad of an issue. The other suits feel like I smoked meth before playing, but once you're used to the slowness of armor/fattiness you can work with it just fine. The biggest problem I see is that shields have no detriment to using them whatsoever. They need something as significant as a speed penalty. IMHO, it should be a massive signature penalty so that you light up on every red dot's map if you stack shields and fire your gun. But that's just me. Actually. All explosives do a ridiculos amount of damage against armor. There is no shield weapon that does 135%~. At least Flux grenades don't outright kill you. Heck I tested with a friend four complex plates vs grenade. Didn't end well. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
333
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:07:00 -
[50] - Quote
Sorry, edited in some stuff about my gallante assault buddy.
But again, if you are going for tanking and being up in CQ then gallante is inferior, and you shouldnt have picked it. If you are running shotties gallante assault is actually better since you can stack sprint. If you are doing LR or snipers (or even SCR popping in and out of cover with charged shots) gallante can be better. It loses CQ sure. But thats one role its inferior at. |
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Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
109
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:07:00 -
[51] - Quote
Quote:Heavies, if you ever feel alone and underpowered *siting on the rollbar of his Watch Saga LAV with a rag in hand polishing an Ishukone Forge Gun*
I'm good Kitten, thank you for the concern.
If mobility is concern and you really want to keep that dropsuit fitting then consider giving Death Race 514 a try. Your DS's hybrid weapon bonuses could make for some interesting hop out attack options or the LAV repositioning for optimal TAR range pwnage. |
DildoMcnutz
The Tickle Monsters
12
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:09:00 -
[52] - Quote
Kitten Empress wrote:DildoMcnutz wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Bones McGavins wrote:The word balance means plenty.
Gallante can stack sprint mods, gallante are the only race who can get decent passive scanning. Gallante can get higher HP for less SP and isk with a speed sacrifice.
If gallante can get the same health, with the same regen, and same speed as other suits, what is the point of the other suits? If you just wanted a cosmetic differnece, then sorry, this game isnt for you, its too deep for you. Your suit has stuff its good and and bad at. In gallante, it is currently bad at high health with high speed and good passive regen. If you wanted those things you are silly for chosing gallante, that was a mistake by you.
Like, nobody forced you to chose gallante. They excel at things you have no interest in, that doesnt mean they dont excel at things.
Again instead of just insulting people, why not try to, i dunno, defend how obviously wrong you are with actual points? Alright. Make a Gallente suit that excells against Caldari suits. Then post the fit. Come on. I want to see how amazing the suit is. Teach me how to fit my suit that I spent 2 hours fitting would ya? You obviously never EVER touched an armor suit and actually played with it. How is he going to do that when all you seem to wanna do is stack heavy plates? last time i checked the gallente suit was harder to kill with the assault rifle than the caldari and dont the majority of players run the AR? Not anymore. I'm seeing more and more diversity, heck one match had more SCR's than AR's. Once they bring out the Minmatar Assault Rifle, may g¦¦o¦¦d¦¦ kittens help armor tankers.
With such weapon diversity it seems to me having a good amount of shields and armour seems much more important than being focused on one. The gallente suit is a good suit, ive already posted what i think a good fitting is, tanking one way or another is never a good idea IMO.
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Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
711
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:10:00 -
[53] - Quote
Bones McGavins wrote:Sorry, edited in some stuff about my gallante assault buddy.
But again, if you are going for tanking and being up in CQ then gallante is inferior, and you shouldnt have picked it. If you are running shotties gallante assault is actually better since you can stack sprint. If you are doing LR or snipers (or even SCR popping in and out of cover with charged shots) gallante can be better. It loses CQ sure. But thats one role its inferior at. So how are Gallente better in stacking sprint? Caldari get to put shield modules, which is their strongest tanking out of the two, AND they can have kin cats. You won't be using 4 kin cats anyway, as PG requirements limit you badly.
Gallente CAN put on shield modules, but its not their strong tank. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
333
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:16:00 -
[54] - Quote
Are you judging these suits without skilling up first? If you have level 5 skills and proto suits, you really arent limited by anything PG or CPU. You might have to use an advanced weapon and nade or a standard equipment or something, but your slots can be pretty much what you want.
Low slots give you more flexibility without skills too, because of the CPU and PG mods being there.
Keep in mind the gallante reduction to light PG and CPU comes close to putting it on par with Amarr for those, without the slot loss it has. I spent a LOT of time in the uprising loadout spreadsheet before I did my reset.
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
290
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:16:00 -
[55] - Quote
Kitten Empress wrote: Actually. All explosives do a ridiculos amount of damage against armor.
They also do lol damage against shields. Effective HP works out to be about the same. I did the math in another thread of yours.
Quote:There is no shield weapon that does 135%~.
Forge Gun does 150%, but I think most people would argue that's an AV weapon. (Unless you have "Negative-Feedback" somewhere under your player name.)
Quote:At least Flux grenades don't outright kill you.
Though true, I kill more people with flux-leading than with explosive grenades. I'll concede that's just my play-style though, and that a whole ton of people shield tank, which makes that play-style more effective.
Quote:Heck I tested with a friend four complex plates vs grenade. Didn't end well.
That I honestly believe. I could see an argument for grenades to be a mild armor damage bonus instead of the current Mass-Driver-like stats, since grenades are so incredibly common. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
714
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:20:00 -
[56] - Quote
Bones McGavins wrote:Are you judging these suits without skilling up first? If you have level 5 skills and proto suits, you really arent limited by anything PG or CPU. You might have to use an advanced weapon and nade or a standard equipment or something, but your slots can be pretty much what you want.
Low slots give you more flexibility without skills too, because of the CPU and PG mods being there.
Keep in mind the gallante reduction to light PG and CPU comes close to putting it on par with Amarr for those, without the slot loss it has. I spent a LOT of time in the uprising loadout spreadsheet before I did my reset.
EDIT: Also, kitten you seem to be balancing against caldari, and I suspect caldari logi especially. Caldari logi is OP. Gallante wont stack up. But that isnt a gallante issue, its a caldari logi issue. I am using a proto suit, maxed out core skills (including CPU/PG). And no, I'm talking about Caldari Assault. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
333
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:21:00 -
[57] - Quote
Quote:Forge Gun does 150%, but I think most people would argue that's an AV weapon. (Unless you have "Negative-Feedback" somewhere under your player name.)
Forge gun on high ground is easy mode. Its the most broken thing in this game. The reason NF excels so well with it is because it becomes even more insane when you have a stacked team helping keep you safe up there. I only discovered how amazing it is because I started speccing to murder LAVs and realized "holy crap, if i get on top of ANYTHING I win DUST." |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
333
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:25:00 -
[58] - Quote
Kitten Empress wrote:Bones McGavins wrote:Are you judging these suits without skilling up first? If you have level 5 skills and proto suits, you really arent limited by anything PG or CPU. You might have to use an advanced weapon and nade or a standard equipment or something, but your slots can be pretty much what you want.
Low slots give you more flexibility without skills too, because of the CPU and PG mods being there.
Keep in mind the gallante reduction to light PG and CPU comes close to putting it on par with Amarr for those, without the slot loss it has. I spent a LOT of time in the uprising loadout spreadsheet before I did my reset.
EDIT: Also, kitten you seem to be balancing against caldari, and I suspect caldari logi especially. Caldari logi is OP. Gallante wont stack up. But that isnt a gallante issue, its a caldari logi issue. I am using a proto suit, maxed out core skills (including CPU/PG). And no, I'm talking about Caldari Assault.
Hmm, honestly, I spent tons of time in the spreadsheet and caldari assault seemed to be the worst of the 4. Its skill bonus is the least helpful. If you wanted high slots, minmitar is better and has a higher CPU/PG base, speed and passive armor repair. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
714
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:27:00 -
[59] - Quote
Bones McGavins wrote:Kitten Empress wrote:Bones McGavins wrote:Are you judging these suits without skilling up first? If you have level 5 skills and proto suits, you really arent limited by anything PG or CPU. You might have to use an advanced weapon and nade or a standard equipment or something, but your slots can be pretty much what you want.
Low slots give you more flexibility without skills too, because of the CPU and PG mods being there.
Keep in mind the gallante reduction to light PG and CPU comes close to putting it on par with Amarr for those, without the slot loss it has. I spent a LOT of time in the uprising loadout spreadsheet before I did my reset.
EDIT: Also, kitten you seem to be balancing against caldari, and I suspect caldari logi especially. Caldari logi is OP. Gallante wont stack up. But that isnt a gallante issue, its a caldari logi issue. I am using a proto suit, maxed out core skills (including CPU/PG). And no, I'm talking about Caldari Assault. Hmm, honestly, I spent tons of time in the spreadsheet and caldari assault seemed to be the worst of the 4. Its skill bonus is the least helpful. If you wanted high slots, minmitar is better and has a higher CPU/PG base, speed and passive armor repair. I never had a problem with Minmatar. They're so squishy. |
Mikael Murray
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.06.20 17:09:00 -
[60] - Quote
A group of heavies are rarely op |
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PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.06.21 20:38:00 -
[61] - Quote
This is true+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö+ö |
Planetside2onPS4
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.22 06:42:00 -
[62] - Quote
http://youtu.be/gCBTN_3wQ8g |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
62
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Posted - 2013.06.22 07:10:00 -
[63] - Quote
Not sure how you guys do Assault at all..... Anything less than 8.1 ish m/s sprint speed just feels too slow for me.
FWIW my builds w/ the Gallente Medium were typicallly well balanced (GK.0):
1 damage Mod or shield recharger, 2 sheild extenders
1 kin/cat, 1 stam mod, 1 armor repair, 1 shield regulator.
To me it was more important to be mobile, and have a decent shield buffer than having a lot of total HP. I would use AR or shotgun w/ this build.
I don't think there is anything wrong with dual tanking the Gallente assault, it's a very versatile suit and can stand up to a variety of weapon types. Plus, you don't have to panic when you get hit with a flux grenade. I would shy away from scanning mods on the Medium suit though... it's so much more efficient to go scout for that. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2044
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Posted - 2013.06.22 07:15:00 -
[64] - Quote
Kitten Empress wrote:RevoL Frog wrote:How about instead of equiping plates you put on something else like shield regulators, and movement enhancement modifiers like kinetic catalyzers to make you as fast as a scout. Problem solved.
I'd argue that's what you're supposed to do with that suit anyway... 120 shields 210 armor And you're suggesting to shield tank? What you just described is a Caldari Assault, only they do it better, because their suit is made for shield tanking >_> The fact that he's telling you your error was in trying to armor tank is not a good statement as to the balance between shield tanking and armor tanking. |
Ray Poe
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.22 18:44:00 -
[65] - Quote
Dust Project 514 wrote:I'm sorry, Fatties. I don't mean to constantly blow your legs aparts with my Flaylocks, when you're by yourselves and not seeing me. (n+íGùòGÇ+Gùòn+í)
Funny sht, flaylock op much? |
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