But your aiming and turning speed is unaffected. And please stop it, you're not cute.

Wayt four me gais!

- Gallente Logi

How about instead of equiping plates you put on something else like shield regulators, and movement enhancement modifiers like kinetic catalyzers to make you as fast as a scout. Problem solved.

I'd argue that's what you're supposed to do with that suit anyway...

Plates do not make you on equal terms with a Heavy sporting an HMG. Unless you are running an SMG or shotgun as a primary, most other weapon choices still have better range than the HMG, and in an FPS, range matters.

If you shield tank you could have up to 400 shields add that to your armor you'll have over 600 hp which is more than my cal logi setup. Just put some shield Regulators, kc's and cr's on your lows you'll be good. You Gallente guys just wanna stack damage mods and armor tank your suits.

That is why I specifically stated the HMG Heavy.

Why? Why not? Unless you are running an SMG or Shotgun as a primary, you will always have the advantage of being able to out range an HMG Heavy, thus not making you on equal terms with them.

Your slow plated assauly suit is my fast heavy. Think about that and the time i will have 4 complex plates on...

Cant't wait for the shield heavy, 800+ shields :D

@Kitten Empress

Let me put it this way:

-Run with an SMG or Shotgun and maybe you'll get a hug from my Heavy who is specced into the HMG

I will not swap out for the AR, ScR, or LR in hopes of increasing my range to be similar to you. I am an HMG Heavy, and if you want to feel any sympathy from myself or the other HMG Heavies, get on our level and equip something with bad range and high bullet dispersion. Otherwise, you deserve no hugs.

picking low slot based suits then complaining about ehp or speed when you know what armor plates are is just silly. If you wanted ehp without sacrificing speed, you shouldve picked a high slot suit. If you wanted to stack sprint or pasisve scanning then you should have gone with gallante.

It would be like speccing into shotty and complaining about range. Or HMG and complaining about range. Oh wait...the latter is actually happening in this thread.

Hint if every suit is capabale of doing the same thing as every other suit, they become meaningless. They are different for a reason. You want speed and ehp, go anything but gallante.

Just wait for the ferroscale armor plates, less HP than the current plates but no speed/movement penalty.

There is nothing wrong with the gallente suit IMO, sure your plate options suck but you shouldnt be stacking complex plates anyway. Here is what my high and low slot load outs on the CK.0 and GK.0 would be (keep in mind i dont like shield rechargers)

CK.0 = 2 complex extenders and 2 complex damage mods, Basic plate complex repper and cpu upgrade.
Shield hp = 408 taking 16 seconds to recharge Armour hp = 215 taking 43 seconds to recharge
total hp = 623 with 59 seconds to regain total health assuming you getting raped.

GK.0 = 1 complex extender and 2 complex damage mods, basic plate, 2 complex reppers and cpu upgrade
shiled hp = 222 taking 11 seconds to recharge Armour hp = 327 taking 27 seconds to recharge
total hp = 549 taking 38 seconds to regain total health assuming you get raped.

now there is a difference of 74 hp but the gallente suit will recover total hp much faster. Also i think that given the caldari suit will be using up more pg from extenders than the gallente it probably wont fit a complex repper on there ( i like running good nades and nanohives so there may not be enough pg left to put on a good repper) slowing total hp regen further. The gallente suit is a great suit but people need to stop stacking heavy ass plates and complaining they run slow as hell when it really is a silly thing to do in the first place.

Just my 2 cents slot load outs can be different so feel free to call me a noob or whatever

Kitten, is your mission to make as many threads as possible? :D

Gallente.... ugh.

Proud to be Amarr baby!

Yeah, so, I'm not going to lie. I don't like Cat/Kitten's style of "troll for balance."

But as an HMG Heavy, I eat Gallente Assaults for breakfast. It feels like being the fat kid who's always picked on, then involuntarily picking on the skinny dorky kid instead. It just feels bad.

I eat Caldari Logi for dinner as long as I have a flux appetizer, but never for breakfast.

Armor tanked suits are just way too soft and squishy. And the 1.2 changes coming our way aren't going to make them any firmer or less squishy. This is a legitimate issue, troll or not.

Yeah guys! If you purposefully gimp yourself, youll be less effective!

Look, Kitten. You have not once gave a reason why Armor and Shield need to be balanced. Why do they? The stats were perfectly lined out for players when they chose their suits. Why must you be able to achieve similar tanking ability in all suits? Why cant one suit be definitively better at tanking than others?

All this is aside from the debate of if they are balanced or not, the question is, why does it matter if they arent?

Why would you purposefully pick a suit that is heavy on low slots of you dont like the rules for armor tanking? Its silly.

I would pick gallante if I wanted to focus on sprint or on passive scanning. I would pick gallante if I wanted to be a sniper or LR user and didnt mind the speed penalty for increased total health.

I wouldnt pick gallante if I wanted decent health with good movement speed. And why is that bad? If every suit can do the same thing as every suit because all modules are equal, then there becomes no reason for the different suits to exist. Why would you pick gallante if you decided health+speed was important to you?

The word balance means plenty.

Gallante can stack sprint mods, gallante are the only race who can get decent passive scanning. Gallante can get higher HP for less SP and isk with a speed sacrifice.

If gallante can get the same health, with the same regen, and same speed as other suits, what is the point of the other suits? If you just wanted a cosmetic differnece, then sorry, this game isnt for you, its too deep for you. Your suit has stuff its good and and bad at. In gallante, it is currently bad at high health with high speed and good passive regen. If you wanted those things you are silly for chosing gallante, that was a mistake by you.

Like, nobody forced you to chose gallante. They excel at things you have no interest in, that doesnt mean they dont excel at things.

Again instead of just insulting people, why not try to, i dunno, defend how obviously wrong you are with actual points?

I was a gallante scout for a long while. I focused on sprint. It worked very well and I didnt even use shotties or nova knifes. Eventually I got sick of not really being able to work with team mates well since I had to constantly be flanking to be useful so I switched to minmitar assault.

Its a different playstyle but its not "better".

I suppose I could have become a walking active scanner as gallante scout, but im too good a shot to be wasted like that :) I know some buddies of mine who Id love to turn into a gallante scout scanner.

How is he going to do that when all you seem to wanna do is stack heavy plates? last time i checked the gallente suit was harder to kill with the assault rifle than the caldari and dont the majority of players run the AR?

I'm aware, but it isn't in a fact in favor of buffing armor tanking. (Armor bonused weapons and shield bonused weapons are about even in number, but shield bonused weapons are more popular.)

I've dealt with slowness my entire DUST career as a Heavy, and honestly, it doesn't feel like that bad of an issue. The other suits feel like I smoked meth before playing, but once you're used to the slowness of armor/fattiness you can work with it just fine.

The biggest problem I see is that shields have no detriment to using them whatsoever. They need something as significant as a speed penalty.

IMHO, it should be a massive signature penalty so that you light up on every red dot's map if you stack shields and fire your gun. But that's just me.

Sorry, edited in some stuff about my gallante assault buddy.

But again, if you are going for tanking and being up in CQ then gallante is inferior, and you shouldnt have picked it. If you are running shotties gallante assault is actually better since you can stack sprint. If you are doing LR or snipers (or even SCR popping in and out of cover with charged shots) gallante can be better. It loses CQ sure. But thats one role its inferior at.

Are you judging these suits without skilling up first? If you have level 5 skills and proto suits, you really arent limited by anything PG or CPU. You might have to use an advanced weapon and nade or a standard equipment or something, but your slots can be pretty much what you want.

Low slots give you more flexibility without skills too, because of the CPU and PG mods being there.

Keep in mind the gallante reduction to light PG and CPU comes close to putting it on par with Amarr for those, without the slot loss it has. I spent a LOT of time in the uprising loadout spreadsheet before I did my reset.

EDIT: Also, kitten you seem to be balancing against caldari, and I suspect caldari logi especially. Caldari logi is OP. Gallante wont stack up. But that isnt a gallante issue, its a caldari logi issue.

Hmm, honestly, I spent tons of time in the spreadsheet and caldari assault seemed to be the worst of the 4. Its skill bonus is the least helpful. If you wanted high slots, minmitar is better and has a higher CPU/PG base, speed and passive armor repair.