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Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.20 03:45:00 -
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picking low slot based suits then complaining about ehp or speed when you know what armor plates are is just silly. If you wanted ehp without sacrificing speed, you shouldve picked a high slot suit. If you wanted to stack sprint or pasisve scanning then you should have gone with gallante.
It would be like speccing into shotty and complaining about range. Or HMG and complaining about range. Oh wait...the latter is actually happening in this thread.
Hint if every suit is capabale of doing the same thing as every other suit, they become meaningless. They are different for a reason. You want speed and ehp, go anything but gallante. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:49:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:
Dual tanking.
Anyone can dual tank.
I'm talking about pure shields/armor.
That's where the disparity comes in.
Yeah guys! If you purposefully gimp yourself, youll be less effective!
Look, Kitten. You have not once gave a reason why Armor and Shield need to be balanced. Why do they? The stats were perfectly lined out for players when they chose their suits. Why must you be able to achieve similar tanking ability in all suits? Why cant one suit be definitively better at tanking than others?
All this is aside from the debate of if they are balanced or not, the question is, why does it matter if they arent?
Why would you purposefully pick a suit that is heavy on low slots of you dont like the rules for armor tanking? Its silly.
I would pick gallante if I wanted to focus on sprint or on passive scanning. I would pick gallante if I wanted to be a sniper or LR user and didnt mind the speed penalty for increased total health.
I wouldnt pick gallante if I wanted decent health with good movement speed. And why is that bad? If every suit can do the same thing as every suit because all modules are equal, then there becomes no reason for the different suits to exist. Why would you pick gallante if you decided health+speed was important to you? |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.20 04:55:00 -
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The word balance means plenty.
Gallante can stack sprint mods, gallante are the only race who can get decent passive scanning. Gallante can get higher HP for less SP and isk with a speed sacrifice.
If gallante can get the same health, with the same regen, and same speed as other suits, what is the point of the other suits? If you just wanted a cosmetic differnece, then sorry, this game isnt for you, its too deep for you. Your suit has stuff its good and and bad at. In gallante, it is currently bad at high health with high speed and good passive regen. If you wanted those things you are silly for chosing gallante, that was a mistake by you.
Like, nobody forced you to chose gallante. They excel at things you have no interest in, that doesnt mean they dont excel at things.
Again instead of just insulting people, why not try to, i dunno, defend how obviously wrong you are with actual points? |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:02:00 -
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I was a gallante scout for a long while. I focused on sprint. It worked very well and I didnt even use shotties or nova knifes. Eventually I got sick of not really being able to work with team mates well since I had to constantly be flanking to be useful so I switched to minmitar assault.
Its a different playstyle but its not "better".
I suppose I could have become a walking active scanner as gallante scout, but im too good a shot to be wasted like that :) I know some buddies of mine who Id love to turn into a gallante scout scanner.
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Also my buddy is a gallante assault and he loves the easy access to larger health buffer and doesnt mind the speed since im usually up front distracting guys so hes in back keeping his fight at range. He will own anyone 1on1 at range with his armor tank, CQ isnt his strong suit though.
GASP different playstyles! |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:07:00 -
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Sorry, edited in some stuff about my gallante assault buddy.
But again, if you are going for tanking and being up in CQ then gallante is inferior, and you shouldnt have picked it. If you are running shotties gallante assault is actually better since you can stack sprint. If you are doing LR or snipers (or even SCR popping in and out of cover with charged shots) gallante can be better. It loses CQ sure. But thats one role its inferior at. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:16:00 -
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Are you judging these suits without skilling up first? If you have level 5 skills and proto suits, you really arent limited by anything PG or CPU. You might have to use an advanced weapon and nade or a standard equipment or something, but your slots can be pretty much what you want.
Low slots give you more flexibility without skills too, because of the CPU and PG mods being there.
Keep in mind the gallante reduction to light PG and CPU comes close to putting it on par with Amarr for those, without the slot loss it has. I spent a LOT of time in the uprising loadout spreadsheet before I did my reset.
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Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:21:00 -
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Quote:Forge Gun does 150%, but I think most people would argue that's an AV weapon. (Unless you have "Negative-Feedback" somewhere under your player name.)
Forge gun on high ground is easy mode. Its the most broken thing in this game. The reason NF excels so well with it is because it becomes even more insane when you have a stacked team helping keep you safe up there. I only discovered how amazing it is because I started speccing to murder LAVs and realized "holy crap, if i get on top of ANYTHING I win DUST." |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
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Posted - 2013.06.20 05:25:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:Bones McGavins wrote:Are you judging these suits without skilling up first? If you have level 5 skills and proto suits, you really arent limited by anything PG or CPU. You might have to use an advanced weapon and nade or a standard equipment or something, but your slots can be pretty much what you want.
Low slots give you more flexibility without skills too, because of the CPU and PG mods being there.
Keep in mind the gallante reduction to light PG and CPU comes close to putting it on par with Amarr for those, without the slot loss it has. I spent a LOT of time in the uprising loadout spreadsheet before I did my reset.
EDIT: Also, kitten you seem to be balancing against caldari, and I suspect caldari logi especially. Caldari logi is OP. Gallante wont stack up. But that isnt a gallante issue, its a caldari logi issue. I am using a proto suit, maxed out core skills (including CPU/PG). And no, I'm talking about Caldari Assault.
Hmm, honestly, I spent tons of time in the spreadsheet and caldari assault seemed to be the worst of the 4. Its skill bonus is the least helpful. If you wanted high slots, minmitar is better and has a higher CPU/PG base, speed and passive armor repair. |
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