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Prius Vecht Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 99	Posted - 2013.06.19 21:29:00 - [1] - Quote is that they take us back to the time when all grenades had 2 second fuses. Remember how fun that was? not!!!! Every skilless noob with an R1 button racked up kills because of a cheap mechanic, and a supposedly hardcore shooter turned into a First Person Nader. Now its only the guys with high SP and proto nades who get to be part of the easy OHK Club. You cant possibly think that was a good idea CCP. All easy use weaopns should be wound rather than kill. How those nades do more than 200 damage is beyond me. Murder Taxis, Flaylocks and all the other noob tubes are killing this game.
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 196	Posted - 2013.06.19 21:41:00 - [2] - Quote would +2 this if i could.
Benari Kalidima Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2013.06.19 21:43:00 - [3] - Quote They're kind of fine, they just do too much damage. Actually all grenades does a little too much damage in my opinion.
hooc order Deep Space Republic 421	Posted - 2013.06.19 21:46:00 - [4] - Quote CCP should just have an instant kill skill. It costs 5 million SP and at level 5 every time you fire your weapon it instant kills everyone in the match with less SP then you.
KingBabar NorwegianWood 852	Posted - 2013.06.19 21:50:00 - [5] - Quote Meh, I still prefer the Core Locus nades.
xLTShinySidesx Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 421	Posted - 2013.06.19 21:50:00 - [6] - Quote If you spent the skill points to skill into something that deep, it should be more powerful. I don't understand how the flaylock is a noob tube, the weapon has drawbacks that even the playing field with it and it doesn't even become a great weapon until you reach proto with it, the std and adv flaylocks are pretty garbage honestly. Mlt murder taxis are a joke as well, the good murder taxis are running proto in that as well, I can destroy a mlt taxi with one flux and two flaylock shots or just two std AV nades.
DustMercsBlog Galactic News Network 74	Posted - 2013.06.20 01:46:00 - [7] - Quote CCP must do a better job rewarding player skill. still too many weapons that have splash damage close to full damage. give players an incentive to hit the target rather than shooting at their feet.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 473	Posted - 2013.06.20 01:49:00 - [8] - Quote You know I see all this bitching about contact grenades but Ive only been killed by them once and even then I was able to kill the thrower before the grenade hit the ground next to me
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 196	Posted - 2013.06.20 01:56:00 - [9] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: You know I see all this bitching about contact grenades but Ive only been killed by them once and even then I was able to kill the thrower before the grenade hit the ground next to me I dont have an issue with contact grenades but like stated they should be lower damage than timed ones. they cant be 700 damage and contact. thats a horrible mixture and grenade 514 in that earlier build was a joke.
Dust Project 514 Dust Evo 514 25	Posted - 2013.06.20 02:04:00 - [10] - Quote DustMercsBlog wrote: CCP must do a better job rewarding player skill. still too many weapons that have splash damage close to full damage. give players an incentive to hit the target rather than shooting at their feet. You have no idea how difficult it is to actually hit a target with the Flaylocks travel time. If it had half the damage for splash damage, then it would be difficult to kill anyone (that isn't a scout) and impossible to kill just one heavy with two CORE Flaylocks. That's with the top tier Flaylock. Imagine with the lesser ones. It would make the weapon usless.

MilkTank7322 Shining Flame Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.06.20 02:36:00 - [11] - Quote I think CCP should make weaker version of those grenades, weaker than the militia and do that for each tier.
IamI3rian OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 204	Posted - 2013.06.20 02:54:00 - [12] - Quote xLTShinySidesx wrote: I don't understand how the flaylock is a noob tube, the weapon has drawbacks that even the playing field with it and it doesn't even become a great weapon until you reach proto with it, the std and adv flaylocks are pretty garbage honestly. The fact that a militia shotgun does the same thing for (mostly) free is clearly lost on people hating on the flaylock. Those are the people who've never actually fired it of course. P.S. Militia shotty's get 6 rounds to OHKO you with. = ) ...but by all means, remove the flaylock and give my my SP back. When I'm shooting your face off with a protopistol, do the same with that. I'll move to the SMG... eventually we won't have sidearms. --- Remember: IamI3rian told ya Kinda like this game but there's something you should know... I just came to say hello
PlanetSide2Bomber Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.06.20 03:06:00 - [13] - Quote Be your own Judge. What game looks like more fun to you? Dust.........Or this......... Planetside 2 Coming to PS4 this year Insane Infantry Push Amazing Night Battle Night to Day Canyon Battle Intense Field Battle Desert Infantry Line Huge Desert Tank Battle 100 Tank Convoy 150 man Air Raid 65/0 Kill streak in the air NC Montage Factions Explained
Rowdy Railgunner TRUE TEA BAGGERS EoN. 21	Posted - 2013.06.20 03:06:00 - [14] - Quote Prius Vecht wrote: is that they take us back to the time when all grenades had 2 second fuses. Remember how fun that was? not!!!! Every skilless noob with an R1 button racked up kills because of a cheap mechanic, and a supposedly hardcore shooter turned into a First Person Nader. Now its only the guys with high SP and proto nades who get to be part of the easy OHK Club. You cant possibly think that was a good idea CCP. All easy use weaopns should be wound rather than kill. How those nades do more than 200 damage is beyond me. Murder Taxis, Flaylocks and all the other noob tubes are killing this game. I remember being a top of the leaderboard player in RS3 simply because I knew where to throw grenades at the start of every match so that I would bag 1-3 kills every time. If you get killed by grenades in this game with such an open map you either need to HTFU or GETGUD. Simple as that. Contact grenades are not a problem in DUST.
Justin Tymes Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 149	Posted - 2013.06.20 03:07:00 - [15] - Quote I'm torn. I know they're broken but as a Logibro, contact nades help patch up the Assault MD's weakness(the only viable MD) so well that I don't want it to go. Remote Explosives and Flux Nades need prep, so in instant CQC, contact nades are the only thing keeping you alive.
Sasseros One-Armed Bandits 0	Posted - 2013.06.20 03:28:00 - [16] - Quote I only get killed for fused nades two or three times, so i can not say nothing about it. But about Flaylock...the only thing i can say is: Why it is better than my beloved MassDriver? T.T
Chris F2112 187. League of Infamy 222	Posted - 2013.06.20 03:53:00 - [17] - Quote The flaylock is good against lower level players, but against higher level players it is np better than the other sidearms. It does a lot of damage in a short amount of time, but if it does not kill them theu can easily kill you during the reload.
jpmannu Maphia Clan Corporation CRONOS. 31	Posted - 2013.06.20 08:58:00 - [18] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Meh, I still prefer the Core Locus nades. Man, you're my mentor
Repe Susi Rautaleijona 488	Posted - 2013.06.20 09:08:00 - [19] - Quote ...is that they are kind of ****. They're nearly not as good as people think they are. I much prefer cooking my nades and go with that.
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 196	Posted - 2013.06.20 10:55:00 - [20] - Quote Sasseros wrote: I only get killed for fused nades two or three times, so i can not say nothing about it. But about Flaylock...the only thing i can say is: Why it is better than my beloved MassDriver? T.T QFT.

Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon Plus 1210	Posted - 2013.06.20 11:12:00 - [21] - Quote Dust Project 514 wrote: DustMercsBlog wrote: CCP must do a better job rewarding player skill. still too many weapons that have splash damage close to full damage. give players an incentive to hit the target rather than shooting at their feet. You have no idea how difficult it is to actually hit a target with the Flaylocks missile travel time. If it had half the damage for splash damage, then it would be difficult to kill anyone (that isn't a scout) and impossible to kill just one heavy with two CORE Flaylocks, without masterful headshot aiming skills. That's correct. The Flaylock requires headshots for it to do 100% effectiveness. Hitting anywhere else reduces damage percentage. That's with the top tier Flaylock. Imagine with the lesser ones. It would make the weapon usless. Go ahead to try it for your self. Try NOT shoot at feet and see how well you do. The Flaylock is NOT OP. I'm just killing too many people with it. (^_^) You are wrong. I have tested flaylock damage in the past. What you are probably seeing is the large damage reduction against shields.
Sha Kharn Clone Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 1160	Posted - 2013.06.20 11:28:00 - [22] - Quote Anyone using contact nades or a flaylock is a nub. What you need to do is carry dual flaylocks with contact nades on a miny assult suit with a 12 % speed mod. Yea its kinda broken in cqb.
Dusters Blog Galactic News Network 356	Posted - 2013.06.20 11:36:00 - [23] - Quote hes right short fuse grenades ruined gameplay in an earlier build, contact grenades for higher SP players only makes this game more noob unfriendly than it already is. if those wpns are going to be that easy to use they should be very low damage. CPM Cazaderon warned us months ago when there was only an aur version. other members of the CPM warned us about flaylocks during fanfest. they are a perfect example of why u dont tune any game with the unskilled or average skill user in mind. becuz then the skilled user breaks the game. its the new mass driver. in its current form the flaylock is a sidearm that can outperform most primary weapons. do u think that was what designers had in mind? a pistol that can 2 shot heavies? with its damage youd be a fool not to use it. and everyone is. the worst part is not only does it cheapen gameplay, but it promotes copycating and kills customization. why create a character for your playstyle when a certain loadout [cough, logi + primary+ flaylock] dominates everything else. It turns the game into a place where everyone has to play the same way or risk being dominated.
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 154	Posted - 2013.06.20 11:38:00 - [24] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Anyone using contact nades or a flaylock is a nub. What you need to do is carry dual flaylocks with contact nades on a miny assult suit with a 12 % speed mod. Yea its kinda broken in cqb. not really, all they are doing is taking advantage of FOTM weapons that dominate. The nubs are CCP for putting stuff like that into the game and thinking everyone wont be using it in a week.
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 108	Posted - 2013.06.20 11:52:00 - [25] - Quote CCP is actually watching the logs for kills made with contacts nades before considering an adjustment? It's a good thing they are watching these nades but it also sounds like they are going to ignore the arguments against these contact grenades for the moment? Should we just bring out the contact nades exclusively for a day to make a point?
Dusters Blog Galactic News Network 356	Posted - 2013.06.20 12:04:00 - [26] - Quote RKKR wrote: CCP is actually watching the logs for kills made with contacts nades before considering an adjustment? It's a good thing they are watching these nades but it also sounds like they are going to ignore the arguments against these contact grenades for the moment? Should we just bring out the contact nades exclusively for a day to make a point? if they are waiting for overall metrics the numbers will lie horribly. PC is the highest level of gameplay and this is where they dominate. high sp players dont have to use them in pub matches against players they can easily dominate due to gear differential alone. many players have advised us [and we've seen as well] PC has become a place where u either master the use of contact grenades or u lose.
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition RISE of LEGION 19	Posted - 2013.06.20 12:51:00 - [27] - Quote DustMercsBlog wrote: CCP must do a better job rewarding player skill. still too many weapons that have splash damage close to full damage. give players an incentive to hit the target rather than shooting at their feet. I agree with this. no weapon in the game should have splash damage thats even half of what the direct damage is. if a proto forge does 4k damage u cant be doing more than 100-150 with splash. you cant be rewarding people for missing.
Prius Vecht Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 112	Posted - 2013.06.20 18:11:00 - [28] - Quote anytime grenades are the choice weapons of cqc game designers need to reevaluate their decisions.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 569	Posted - 2013.06.20 18:25:00 - [29] - Quote The problem with contacts is that it removes the player skill requirement of grenades. I can't think of any other weapon that does this. You're spending SP to counter a lack of skill, rather than getting an advantage that will compliment your skill.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 569	Posted - 2013.06.20 18:29:00 - [30] - Quote Sha Kharn Clone wrote: Anyone using contact nades or a flaylock is a nub. What you need to do is carry dual flaylocks with contact nades on a miny assult suit with a 12 % speed mod. Yea its kinda broken in cqb. Dammit Sha we talked about this earlier. Shaddappa yo face.



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