Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Acturus Galaxy
Horizons' Edge Orion Empire
55
|
Posted - 2013.06.19 12:32:00 -
[31] - Quote
Shadow heat wrote:Acturus Galaxy wrote:[quote=Draco Dustflier][quote=Acturus Galaxy][quote=Draco Dustflier] The nerf to mouse controls was needed to have equal tracking speeds between the two control schemes.
Do you realize that you can use DualShock controllers in the PC too. ? In fact some people uses DS very effectively in games like BF3, or even CS in the PC. Of course, you never hear anyone asking for a DualShock Controller nerf in the PC, i wonder why.
I speak from my own experience playing a heavy in the previous build. I started with the ds3 only and got killed in most CQC encounters as I could not turn around fast enough to track anyone. Or that I was unable to turn fast enough and return fire when being shot in the back. I then connected my mouse and I could swipe around with my HMG and forge in no time, and suddenly started to consistently get +4-5 kill death ratios as heavy. Shooting down fast jumping scouts as they tried to run around me. I found this extremely unfair to ds3 users only, you will have to agree with that.
It feels like the turn speed is the same now, is this really that bad? I would think it was a welcoming change as it made the competition more equal now that PC was opened.
You cannot compare this with playing games on a PC where mouse and keyboard are used by everyone and the DS is optional. It is the opposite on PS3 where the DS3 is available for everyone and keyboard/mouse are optional for those that prefer this scheme.
You can compare it with the PS3 MOVE being the most precise item to use with quicker grenade throws etc. an advantage compared to they k/m users. I am sure most k/m uses would complain loudly but it is alight that k/m control scheme has the advantage.
EDIT: Sorry, I misread your message. Aligning the control methods was needed due to PC and also to balance the classes, or as I mentioned above the heavy had not problems tracking the scout which was supposed to be an advantage in favor of the scout. I cannot say anything about BF3 on PC and the difference between DS and K/M, never played the game. |
Shadow heat
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
43
|
Posted - 2013.06.19 12:44:00 -
[32] - Quote
http://www.morecomputers.com/productlist.aspx?cat=gaming&subcat=game+controllers
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gaming-mouse/s?ie=UTF8&keywords=gaming%20mouse&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Agaming%20mouse |
Acturus Galaxy
Horizons' Edge Orion Empire
55
|
Posted - 2013.06.19 13:00:00 -
[33] - Quote
I only use an old, cheap and normal PC mouse, which is good enough for me. It is not against the rules to use a gaming mouse, they have merely changed the code in Uprising to decrease the advantage you got with the gaming mouse. You can allways argue that you can buy SP boosters to gain an advantage, why is it not accepted to buy a gaming mouse for the provided advantage. This is probably a major difference on the mindsets between PS3 players and PC players. PS3 players sees everyone using the exact same setup making everyone play on equal terms with the only difference in actual player skills. On PC every means are allowed to gain the upper hand. Personally I prefer the PS3 approach.
|
Skihids
the tritan industries RISE of LEGION
1645
|
Posted - 2013.06.19 13:15:00 -
[34] - Quote
Shadow heat wrote: We are no humans, we are super-clones with shields and kick ass armor plates. That should be the same as hitting a street light at 60mph.
Street lights are anchored in place while mercs are not. That makes a huge difference in the physics. Momentum transfers unequally from the more massive to less massive object in a free collision like this, and it is that acceleration as much as impact damage that kills a merc. Think Mac Truck vs Mini Cooper in a head-on collision.
Ordinary projectiles from light weapons are much less massive than a merc in armor, so if the armor is not penetrated the body is unharmed. However a vehicle is much more massive so even if a merc's armor is intact he will experience sudden high acceleration. That in turn results in internal injury as organs get crushed by slamming into his own body, just as a boxer will suffer a concussion and brain injury even though his skull was never breached.
You could wear a perfectly hard shell of armor, but if it hit hard ground at free fall speed you would be scrambled inside the intact shell. That's why we need inertial dampners. That's why no heavy should survive an MCC jump without using it even if his armor isn't destroyed. That is unless he hit soft ground where the deceleration was greatly lessened. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F
309
|
Posted - 2013.06.19 13:23:00 -
[35] - Quote
in any match there are 32 people involved, of those 32 most of the time there are on average 4 people driving lav's, let's say 1 of those people is doing it simply because he's sick of getting hit by the other sides lav's let's go with 3 to be safe.
that would average about 9% of the games population use lav's, of that 9% let's say 60% of those people put skill points into lav's and aren't using freebies( thus being the only people effects by a free lav nerf ), that would bring us down to 5.4% of the game population, let's be extreme and say 75% of those people leave, we'd stand to lose about 4% of the player base at worst.
let's say our global all hours player base is 20000 players that would be a lose of about 800 players.
of course I doubt we'd lose that many over an lav nerf, you're just a troll crutching on a murder taxi, many others are not. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
682
|
Posted - 2013.06.19 14:17:00 -
[36] - Quote
stlcarlos989 wrote: ... while killing a scout will be no big deal.
|
kenderr cillo
Grupo de Asalto Chacal CRONOS.
18
|
Posted - 2013.06.19 14:31:00 -
[37] - Quote
Acturus Galaxy wrote:
You cannot compare this with playing games on a PC where mouse and keyboard are used by everyone and the DS is optional. It is the opposite on PS3 where the DS3 is available for everyone and keyboard/mouse are optional for those that prefer this scheme.
You can compare it with the PS3 MOVE being the most precise item to use with quicker grenade throws etc. an advantage compared to they k/m users. I am sure most k/m uses would complain loudly but it is alight that k/m control scheme has the advantage.
EDIT: Sorry, I misread your message. Aligning the control methods was needed due to PC and also to balance the classes, or as I mentioned above the heavy had not problems tracking the scout which was supposed to be an advantage in favor of the scout. I cannot say anything about BF3 on PC and the difference between DS and K/M, never played the game.
We should nerf the players with a good connection, is not fair to play against people with a better latency.
Also... there is people with better TV or monitors, we should nerf this. People with HDMI has an advantage over AV, nerf this too.
If u feel that ds3 is worst, buy a keyboard and a mouse, they are cheap. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3899
|
Posted - 2013.06.19 14:36:00 -
[38] - Quote
Crash Monster wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote: ... while killing a scout will be no big deal. Scouts can scramble out of the way a lot quicker than a heavy though.
Scouts are just in a horrible place in the game right now as is, gokarts aside |
Kiro Justice
the tritan industries RISE of LEGION
117
|
Posted - 2013.06.19 14:37:00 -
[39] - Quote
Draco Dustflier wrote:Lets just pretend that first paragraph didn't exist, now shall we? the key information to take away from it is that about 80% of the player base is bored CoD players who think roarkills are funny
Removing lavs or nerfing them (keep in mind that when CCP nerfs something they absolutely obliterate it, just look at derpships) will drive away about 80% of the players. whatever hate i get from the forum junkies is completely invalidated by the fact that the 80% of the player base i'm trying to save you from losing doesn't even know this game has a forum.
I have this odd feeling that your numbers, and demographic are wrong. I doubt that CoD players stopped playing the game they payed 60 bucks for, for a game they'd just get stomped at through no fault of there own, and even if they did I don't feel like they'd come back faithfully everyday simply to run people over. It just seems unlikely with the ADD that runs rampant in the console community. |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
683
|
Posted - 2013.06.19 14:39:00 -
[40] - Quote
kenderr cillo wrote:We should nerf the players with a good connection, is not fair to play against people with a better latency.
Also... there is people with better TV or monitors, we should nerf this. People with HDMI has an advantage over AV, nerf this too.
If u feel that ds3 is worst, buy a keyboard and a mouse, they are cheap.
I think I'm going to put a see-through plastic dot on my TV so I can quick scope the snifer rifle by centering the dot on red's head before scoping!
Nerf that!
Edit: Yes, I'm VERY aware of sniper rifle sway... it however can be fought by active aiming. |
|
Shadow heat
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
46
|
Posted - 2013.06.19 14:41:00 -
[41] - Quote
Acturus Galaxy wrote:I only use an old, cheap and normal PC mouse, which is good enough for me. It is not against the rules to use a gaming mouse, they have merely changed the code in Uprising to decrease the advantage you got with the gaming mouse. You can allways argue that you can buy SP boosters to gain an advantage, why is it not accepted to buy a gaming mouse for the provided advantage. This is probably a major difference on the mindsets between PS3 players and PC players. PS3 players sees everyone using the exact same setup making everyone play on equal terms with the only difference in actual player skills. On PC every means are allowed to gain the upper hand. Personally I prefer the PS3 approach.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/modded-ps3-controller/s?ie=UTF8&keywords=modded%20ps3%20controller&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Amodded%20ps3%20controller
http://www.amazon.co.uk/ps3-eagle-eye/s?ie=UTF8&keywords=ps3%20eagle%20eye&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Aps3%20eagle%20eye
I can do this all day. |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
295
|
Posted - 2013.06.19 14:44:00 -
[42] - Quote
Draco Dustflier wrote:Lets just pretend that first paragraph didn't exist, now shall we? the key information to take away from it is that about 80% of the player base is bored CoD players who think roarkills are funny
Removing lavs or nerfing them (keep in mind that when CCP nerfs something they absolutely obliterate it, just look at derpships) will drive away about 80% of the players. whatever hate i get from the forum junkies is completely invalidated by the fact that the 80% of the player base i'm trying to save you from losing doesn't even know this game has a forum.
Wow...... I had no clue 10 out of 16 people in every match ive been in today drove around "roarkilling" people. Dude, LAV's need a nerf and I know the PERFECT solution. Do it like in chromosome where if an LAV hit someone it came to a dead stop. That will give me more then enough time to avenge my fallen comrade. That's all. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
3899
|
Posted - 2013.06.19 14:47:00 -
[43] - Quote
Marston VC wrote:Wow...... I had no clue 10 out of 16 people in every match ive been in today drove around "roarkilling" people. Dude, LAV's need a nerf and I know the PERFECT solution. Do it like in chromosome where if an LAV hit someone it came to a dead stop. That will give me more then enough time to avenge my fallen comrade. That's all.
The best suggestion I've seen so far is to simply make LAVs take damage equal to the total health of the dropsuit they hit, though I think a slowdown effect (slight for logi/assault, noticeable for heavies) will also help. You can still get plenty of road kills, you just have to be smart about it.
Also, lower the HP of the free LAVs about 30-40%, and lower LLAV HP by about 10-15% |
tastzlike chicken
ROGUE SPADES EoN.
77
|
Posted - 2013.06.19 14:54:00 -
[44] - Quote
I must be in the 20% (depending on whose post you read) that don't think an LAV nerf is game-breaking.
How do you forum scientists get your percentages? Maybe, include a brief summary of your methodology (as others here have done)?
Could it be that you simply like to borrow the appearance of precision and research to lend an air of legitimacy and authority to your apparent statement of fact? Sort of like how some folks load their opinions with "To be honest.." in order to buttress their arguments with the trappings of sincerity, if not truth?
For your next project may I suggest: What percentage of DUST players are rally car racers in real life?
|
xjumpman23
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
360
|
Posted - 2013.06.19 15:02:00 -
[45] - Quote
LAV's need a nerf. However there needs to be a respec for when CCP finally swings that nerf bat. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
1670
|
Posted - 2013.06.19 15:20:00 -
[46] - Quote
It won't drive 80% of players away. We just need to think of a way where players will use them for more than roadkills; I use them all the time with my AV fit. I can get around to hack/boomboom faster, then jump into the turret if I run into enemy infantry |
Aliakin Koreck
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 05:52:00 -
[47] - Quote
Fatal blow is impossible when eve players are funding dust currently |
smartlayer
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
9
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 05:56:00 -
[48] - Quote
Dont worry it will be nerfed soon with the coming of the commando Armor in july, as much more people will have swarm launcher |
Harry Hendersons
Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2013.06.20 17:40:00 -
[49] - Quote
I dont agree with OP Niche markets always survive |
PlanetsideTwo F2PonPS4
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2013.06.21 20:47:00 -
[50] - Quote
Final blow? You nail in final the coffin? |
|
Abron Garr
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
528
|
Posted - 2013.06.21 20:49:00 -
[51] - Quote
Fiat justitia ruat caelum |
Planetside2onPS4
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2013.06.22 07:21:00 -
[52] - Quote
Video of OP's concerns |
|
|
|
Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |