Why do you think they made it active in the first place?
This game is terrible in the basic things, no one would play without a carrot on a stick like SP.

Well i think most of the people here agree that the weekly grind has become something like a full on job. The problems is that you can surely grind every week for your cap but that seems like a job to me now. And thats not pleasent if you force yourself to play just to "keep up". New players have allready to fight with the SP gap versus vets. The only way to ensure that every 1 gets the same similar amount of SP is to swicth the system from a active-passive combo to a fully passive SP gain. Lets think about it. Would you prefer to get your current SP with alot of grinding OR the same amount of SP by passive gain? This would aswell be interesting for players who drop the game and lets say pick it back up after 6 months and see like ~6 million SP to allocate? You can still keep the passive booster section to give your SP gain a "boost". For not used or allready allocated active boosters just change them into passive boosters or add time from the active to the passive booster time. SP gain is a grind and not pleasent CCP. And i think the majority of the community agrees with me on that.

Why do you think they made it active in the first place?
This game is terrible in the basic things, no one would play without a carrot on a stick like SP.

Well i think most of the people here agree that the weekly grind has become something like a full on job. The problems is that you can surely grind every week for your cap but that seems like a job to me now. And thats not pleasent if you force yourself to play just to "keep up". New players have allready to fight with the SP gap versus vets. The only way to ensure that every 1 gets the same similar amount of SP is to swicth the system from a active-passive combo to a fully passive SP gain. Lets think about it. Would you prefer to get your current SP with alot of grinding OR the same amount of SP by passive gain? This would aswell be interesting for players who drop the game and lets say pick it back up after 6 months and see like ~6 million SP to allocate? You can still keep the passive booster section to give your SP gain a "boost". For not used or allready allocated active boosters just change them into passive boosters or add time from the active to the passive booster time. SP gain is a grind and not pleasent CCP. And i think the majority of the community agrees with me on that.

Nah.
Don't be so concerned about others having more SP.
Play as much as you want to because you want to.
Seriously, what's a few million sp difference anyways?
You take a break and don't cap out and then what? Suddenly you're losing? I doubt it.

Well i think most of the people here agree that the weekly grind has become something like a full on job. The problems is that you can surely grind every week for your cap but that seems like a job to me now. And thats not pleasent if you force yourself to play just to "keep up". New players have allready to fight with the SP gap versus vets. The only way to ensure that every 1 gets the same similar amount of SP is to swicth the system from a active-passive combo to a fully passive SP gain. Lets think about it. Would you prefer to get your current SP with alot of grinding OR the same amount of SP by passive gain? This would aswell be interesting for players who drop the game and lets say pick it back up after 6 months and see like ~6 million SP to allocate? You can still keep the passive booster section to give your SP gain a "boost". For not used or allready allocated active boosters just change them into passive boosters or add time from the active to the passive booster time. SP gain is a grind and not pleasent CCP. And i think the majority of the community agrees with me on that.

The only way to ensure that every 1 gets the same similar amount of SP is to swicth the system from a active-passive combo to a fully passive SP gain. Lets think about it. Would you prefer to get your current SP with alot of grinding OR the same amount of SP by passive gain? This would aswell be interesting for players who drop the game and lets say pick it back up after 6 months and see like ~6 million SP to allocate?

Dear players,

Continuing our philosophy of developing our games in collaboration with the player base, we would like to engage with you on the topic of skill points, based on the lively discussion here on the forums and your detailed feedback on what changes you would like to see applied to our current skill point reward system. Your comments and concerns are important to us and we are taking steps to address them as soon as we can.

We are well aware of the fact that the daily/weekly skill point rollover system is the favorite amongst the community, and we are implementing such a system aimed at the next major release. However, the change to add a roll over system is not immediately possible. The five options that we can apply in the immediate short term are the following:

1)Daily cap with an increased soft cap
2)Weekly cap with an increased soft cap
3)No changes to the current system (daily cap + low soft cap)
4) Daily cap with no limit on the soft cap
5) Weekly cap with no limit on the soft cap

Internally we are leaning towards a weekly cap, as it offers the closest alternative to a roll over system. As with a roll over system, a weekly cap allows players to better choose when to play within each week without having to jump in every day to secure all possible skill points.

The increased soft cap would entail rewarding one skill point for each warpoint after the normal daily or weekly cap has been hit, up to the increased soft cap (currently 50 SP, we will raise it to 1000 SP per match). This is to provide an incentive towards playing well even after the cap has been reached and make the play experience after hitting the cap better. We are also considering another alternative, which is to *not* have a cap (of 1k) on the soft cap, so, after weekly cap is hit, you still get 1 SP per WP at end of match. We would like to hear which of these you like better as well (cap on the soft cap vs no cap on soft cap).

In order to vote, please click GÇ£LikeGÇ¥ button in the following GÇ£5GÇ¥ replies in this thread and tell us what you would like to see implemented to the game immediately.

We would like to remind you that these changes do not represent the final skill point system and that we are still working hard on getting to the fully polished rollover system later on.

Thank you for all your feedback so far, and we are looking forward to your votes.

The game is bad already, players have no real willingness to play and moving to a full passive system will result in nobody playing but a small amount.

Why do you think they made it active in the first place?
This game is terrible in the basic things, no one would play without a carrot on a stick like SP.

Sad but true, im afraid

I support the OP.

Passive SP only.

It would solve lots of problems. The first of which would be players that are here, but don't actually want to play. They can go play click a cow instead.

AFKing would disappear.

Arguments about the SP cap would disappear.

It's a good idea, and should have been done from the beginning.

A fully passive system with an active player interaction component would be better than what we have now.

By component I mean something like having to log on every now and then to... oh, IDK... set a new skill to train?

Crazy, I know, right? It's almost as if it's been done before... somewhere...

I have been saying this for a year now.

Although I do think we should have active sp, it should just be 1/10 the rate we get now with the passive increased. Just drop the first zero off. 5 per kill,3 per assist and 10 for hacks. Active SP adds the feeling of a job to the game and the misconception that grinding out SP is the only way to be competitive. Keep the boosters and all that jazz but slow down the active SP to encourage players to play for fun not grind. Reward us for playing but don't punish us who can't play daily or spend hour upon hours online. I am not complaining about my situation or talking about new players. I think burn out will be our biggest problem once we get the game moving.

No. Players who play should get better faster than players who don't play. Simple. I hardly ever cap out, and tbh don't give a rats ass.
I'm happy with what passive SP I do get. Playing gives bonus sp. I see no problem.

Passive SP gain only is a horrible idea. At this point, all the people I see agreeing with it are just people who don't want to work for their ****.

Well you seem to get the point. I play games to relax and be entertained. I usually do it after I've spent 9 hours at work every day where I earn the money that I spend on the games I play. I do not want to fell like I'm working when I play a game (aka grinding). I earn every kill and evey piece of gear I use through my actions in the game, there's no reason why I shouldn't be allowed to earn SP through my loyalty to the developer of this game.

Is there really no reason you can think of at all? How about for the people who worked hard to get where they're at right now.. only to just find out had they waited a bit, all that couldn't came passively without lifting a finger..

This thread upsets me.

I don't see your point. I'm not saying you should get SP that you didn't earn in the past retroactively awarded to you by using a booster. Once a booster for passive-only SP is introduced, everybody has the choice of either grinding for their SP, or buying that booster. I don't see a problem, the hard work you did in the past does not lose its value. But I really don't think any game should be about "working hard", it's a game and not a job.Grinding in a game is a terrible concept, period.

What game is there that you dont have to work to get an edge on other players?

Well i think most of the people here agree that the weekly grind has become something like a full on job. The problems is that you can surely grind every week for your cap but that seems like a job to me now. And thats not pleasent if you force yourself to play just to "keep up". New players have allready to fight with the SP gap versus vets. The only way to ensure that every 1 gets the same similar amount of SP is to swicth the system from a active-passive combo to a fully passive SP gain. Lets think about it. Would you prefer to get your current SP with alot of grinding OR the same amount of SP by passive gain? This would aswell be interesting for players who drop the game and lets say pick it back up after 6 months and see like ~6 million SP to allocate? You can still keep the passive booster section to give your SP gain a "boost". For not used or allready allocated active boosters just change them into passive boosters or add time from the active to the passive booster time. SP gain is a grind and not pleasent CCP. And i think the majority of the community agrees with me on that.

What game is there that you dont have to work to get an edge on other players?