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Dynnen Vvardenfell
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Posted - 2013.06.18 23:44:00 -
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I wondered if there was a plan to apply some scaling system to SP caps in terms of people under 7 or 5 million lifetime SP. That way the veterans will still have their SP advantage and newer players can at least be competitive while playing.
Something like sub 3 million you have 500k cap. 3-5 million you have a 400k cap. Then 5-7 million you have a 300k cap. |
Tony Calif
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2331
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Posted - 2013.06.18 23:47:00 -
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Militia & standard gear only matches. Much better. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
207
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Posted - 2013.06.18 23:48:00 -
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Dynnen Vvardenfell wrote:I wondered if there was a plan to apply some scaling system to SP caps in terms of people under 7 or 5 million lifetime SP. That way the veterans will still have their SP advantage and newer players can at least be competitive while playing.
Something like sub 3 million you have 500k cap. 3-5 million you have a 400k cap. Then 5-7 million you have a 300k cap.
Wouldn't be a bad idea, though I could have used that a few weeks ago when my Kdr was a lot better |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
2746
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Posted - 2013.06.19 00:16:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Militia & standard gear only matches. Much better.
This would potentially solve everything. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
868
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Posted - 2013.06.19 00:18:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Militia & standard gear only matches. Much better. This would potentially solve everything.
Of course, fused locus are no-skill items. |
The Cobra Commander
Bojo's School of the Trades
41
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Posted - 2013.06.19 00:21:00 -
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I just posted something like this. CCP really needs to work on this. The game will never grow like this. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
412
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Posted - 2013.06.19 00:28:00 -
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A standard gear only game mode would help a lot.. however.. given how many different weapons are adv tier only.. I think that would be a better standard to follow.
i.e. Exclude proto gear from IB.
Adv gear is fairly quick to skill into, so new players should be competitive pretty quick. This way every weapon can be used in IB, just not the proto variants.
Maybe exclude adv plus from the academy though, until people get comfortable, they have less to think about.
Then lift the 10k WP requirement, leave it at 2m SP, and allow an option to queue into academy, as well as, normal IB until 2m SP at which point academy disappears.
and... we're good to go. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
868
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Posted - 2013.06.19 00:35:00 -
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I like the idea of miltia/std only actually (most weapons/items don't get a huge boost from mlt to std). There's a lot of very decent ADV gear. I think some of the best matches I had post-uprising were with alts in battle academy. People didn't die instantly, no enemies felt invincible, it was kinda clever. I think there's a place for both tiered matches and free-for-all. |
sammus420
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
125
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Posted - 2013.06.19 00:50:00 -
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The system is working as intended, the players who have played since Chromo and before are quitting as a result of the many failures of CCP to deliver on what they claimed we would have in the game. This is all part of CCP's master plan, and is making it easier for the new players to find balanced matches. |
IrishWebster
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.06.19 00:56:00 -
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Would gear restrictions really help the problem? I know that on my 5 million SP character, I've got 25% reduction in both AR kick AND Dispersion... not to mention the 25% damage boost, all from SKILLS. It has little to nothing to do with my gear. |
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WhiteMage7322
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
74
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:13:00 -
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I think CCP should give people with extremely low SP a x1.5 booster for a week, if they keep playing each day for more than 1.5 hours a week, the booster can add some time to the booster, not a lot but like 30 mins more and they can still get it until they reach to at least 1.5 - 2 million SP. No need to change the SP cap for this.
Just an idea and open to change. CCP, you can have this for free, if you like it. XD |
Crow Splat
DUST University
Ivy League
19
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Posted - 2013.06.19 01:45:00 -
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Gear isn't the issue. It's what people want to blame when they either don't know or don't want to admit what the real issue is.
Dust, and EVE for that matter, are a lot like real life. You have to play within your means. Know what you're capable of and stay out of situations that you are incapable of handling. You can't go Rambo in Dust. It won't end well for you..
If you aren't in a squad and you are getting wrecked by proto's then get in a squad. If you are in a squad and you are still getting wrecked by proto's then odds are their squad is just better. It ain't the gear.
I played a string of 4 games today without a single squad being formed on my team and absolute silence on team chat. I'll give you 3 guesses how that went. THAT'S the real problem.
Besides if gear was the be-all-end-all then how is it that I can take out 100k+ isk proto suits in 2 or 3 hits with a 600 isk militia shotgun suit? |
Colonel Killar
DUST CORE
DARKSTAR ARMY
8
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Posted - 2013.06.19 02:54:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Militia & standard gear only matches. Much better.
Also squad only matches. I'd play these all day. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
136
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Posted - 2013.06.19 03:19:00 -
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Crow Splat wrote:Gear isn't the issue. It's what people want to blame when they either don't know or don't want to admit what the real issue is.
Dust, and EVE for that matter, are a lot like real life. You have to play within your means. Know what you're capable of and stay out of situations that you are incapable of handling. You can't go Rambo in Dust. It won't end well for you..
If you aren't in a squad and you are getting wrecked by proto's then get in a squad. If you are in a squad and you are still getting wrecked by proto's then odds are their squad is just better. It ain't the gear.
I played a string of 4 games today without a single squad being formed on my team and absolute silence on team chat. I'll give you 3 guesses how that went. THAT'S the real problem.
Besides if gear was the be-all-end-all then how is it that I can take out 100k+ isk proto suits in 2 or 3 hits with a 600 isk militia shotgun suit?
I disagree. Don't need to explain how much of an advantage a protobear has over a new player. Being in a squad does help, but if they are running a proto squad... Time to afk in MCC  |
Beld Errmon
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
654
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Posted - 2013.06.19 03:29:00 -
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I've been skilling up some alts lately and I've gotta agree the game is absolutely terrible for new players even with veteran knowledge using a low SP character against ppl with fully decked out protosuits that run in packs is a horrible experience.
But I doubt there is enough of a playerbase to actually support breaking it up too much, as it is on the oceanic servers many of the game modes are nearly empty and every game against the same ppl constantly. |
Dynnen Vvardenfell
187.
League of Infamy
5
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Posted - 2013.06.19 05:00:00 -
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I like the idea of lower suits only, thats not bad. But whenever your militia suit is doing and extra 15% more damage SP will still come into play. I also don't mind running into proto suits, or teams...but its just rough whenever I die to someone in full proto and I almost drop them, then I see the light at the end of that proto dropsuit tunnel is over a month away.  |
Avallo Kantor
DUST University
Ivy League
65
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Posted - 2013.06.19 05:07:00 -
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While this technically doesn't help the issue of fighting proto players I always try looking at the situation as such:
My suit costs me less than 5k ISK. A proto suit / weapon could kill me over 20 times and if I can kill them once then I've
cost them more than they cost me.
As to the actual problem, I would simply suggest extending the Battle Academy to be only SP based Graduation, and have it give a slightly higher SP gain rate (Since it stands to reason the Accademy would be a place of better learning) I've been out of the Battle Academy for quite some time (since like day 2 of playing) , but I won't be hitting 2 M SP until ... uh next week or the week after that, depending on how many games I can play. I think by 2 - 3 million SP a well planned player can get into a mix of advanced and proto gear needed to be very competitive with older players. |
SERPENT-Adamapple
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2013.06.19 05:13:00 -
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Adv gear IB. That will please everyone. Keep Protostuff for PC and FW.
Edit: And make Acadamy twice as long to come out from. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers
EoN.
240
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Posted - 2013.06.19 05:49:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:A standard gear only game mode would help a lot.. however.. given how many different weapons are adv tier only.. I think that would be a better standard to follow.
i.e. Exclude proto gear from IB.
Adv gear is fairly quick to skill into, so new players should be competitive pretty quick. This way every weapon can be used in IB, just not the proto variants.
Maybe exclude adv plus from the academy though, until people get comfortable, they have less to think about.
Then lift the 10k WP requirement, leave it at 2m SP, and allow an option to queue into academy, as well as, normal IB until 2m SP at which point academy disappears.
and... we're good to go.
This is a well thought out post. +1 |
Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2013.06.19 06:11:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:But I doubt there is enough of a playerbase to actually support breaking it up too much, as it is on the oceanic servers many of the game modes are nearly empty and every game against the same ppl constantly.
Yeah, 2 weeks ago, was pretty consistently getting 5.5k players on server, now its down to around 4.5 consistent. 20% loss in 2 weeks isn't the best. |
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hgghyujh
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2013.06.19 07:24:00 -
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ok this **** needs to go away, the difference between 30m sp and 999m sp is insignificant it only allows you to run more stuff.
past a certain point you are as powerful as every one else just less adaptable. So no, new players should not be allowed to catch up with vets, that said they do need a little more love in the beginning then just the academy battles maybe a lower pay out matches that are gear limited to std?? |
Rogatien Merc
Ill Omens
EoN.
84
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Posted - 2013.06.19 07:54:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Tony Calif wrote:Militia & standard gear only matches. Much better. This would potentially solve everything.
You should be warned... an exile with prof V hits like a duvolle plus an enh damage mod. Just sayin... would be better yeh, but ... yeah... |
Fredrikson Revel
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2013.06.20 23:54:00 -
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hgghyujh wrote:ok this **** needs to go away, the difference between 30m sp and 999m sp is insignificant it only allows you to run more stuff.
past a certain point you are as powerful as every one else just less adaptable. So no, new players should not be allowed to catch up with vets, that said they do need a little more love in the beginning then just the academy battles maybe a lower pay out matches that are gear limited to std??
Then remove the cap for new players, like say 8 mil for everyone, then raise weekly/monthly whatever.
190k a week for a newb is crapolla. |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
149
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:12:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:Militia & standard gear only matches. Much better.
OMFGWTFBBQTHIS!!!!!!!!!!!
translation; one likes the sound of this, and one would like to know of this is what CCP could be implementing in 1.2? |
HYENAKILLER X
Condotta Rouvenor
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.21 05:45:00 -
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Get farmed like a man : ) |
Dustin TheTrash
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.06.22 03:31:00 -
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I made a video expressing the OP's Concerns
Please leave comment if you agree.
Thanks |
echo47
Sebiestor Field Sappers
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2013.06.22 03:37:00 -
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Why not matches based on KDR? As your KDR gets better or worse you move up or down in teh quality of the players you are playing against. |
Yani Sing
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.06.22 19:43:00 -
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I like a meta level matchmaking. Hoping 1.2 has mm. |
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