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GOTDUST
MURDER TAXI COMPANY
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Posted - 2013.06.17 14:43:00 -
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Yesterday, not one, not two, but NINE mercs sitting in a row sniping from mcc. Does anybody hack anymore? Lately, once an objective is hacked, it stays that way for entire match.
Either turn on some poison gas or friendly fiire in mcc. These COWARDS need to be dealt with! NOT next year, TODAY. |
RoundEy3
Metal Mind Industries
77
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Posted - 2013.06.17 14:44:00 -
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Poison gas in the MCC.... Man, that is a great idea. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
649
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Posted - 2013.06.17 14:48:00 -
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If we get FF in the MCC, I am spawning with a HMG and seeing how many friendlies I can hose before they reach the shield thing. |
DildoMcnutz
The Tickle Monsters
6
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Posted - 2013.06.17 14:51:00 -
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Instead of 1 SP per second spent in game make it 1 SP per second outside of the red zone, i dont understand what business anyone has sitting in there deployment zone. My understanding is that its there so you will always have a place to spawn without getting your ass shot up, not so you can sit were no one can get you and snipe or do nothing and gain SP. Just my opinion, no offense to any redline snipers, its your game do what you want. |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1783
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Posted - 2013.06.17 14:52:00 -
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Make the game fun and people wont want to AFK |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
823
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Posted - 2013.06.17 14:53:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Make the game fun and people wont want to AFK
Exactly.
The game froze up even when I was AFKing, fix the game, and people will stop |
RoundEy3
Metal Mind Industries
78
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Posted - 2013.06.17 14:54:00 -
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Sniping is probably one of my top 3 favorite roles. I try to move my LOS with where the focus of battle is, and some maps or situations just make it null, so I'll switch roles. However MCC sniping is about the most useless form of "help" I can imagine in this game. It's about a half a step up from AFK in the MCC.
....gas em. |
Absolute Idiom II
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
119
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Posted - 2013.06.17 14:55:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Make the game fun and people wont want to AFK
Not completely true - as I'll AFK to cap out for the week, whilst I make dinner or do chores. I just don't have time for 14 hours of fun each week. Especially if I'm away for the weekend. |
Daedric Lothar
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
649
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Posted - 2013.06.17 14:55:00 -
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DildoMcnutz wrote:Instead of 1 SP per second spent in game make it 1 SP per second outside of the red zone, i dont understand what business anyone has sitting in there deployment zone. My understanding is that its there so you will always have a place to spawn without getting your ass shot up, not so you can sit were no one can get you and snipe or do nothing and gain SP. Just my opinion, no offense to any redline snipers, its your game do what you want.
You must obviously be a great player. However, your suggestion would lead to the Forumpocolypse. Newbie's would be redlined by good players and not gain any SP and come to the Forums by the dozens or hundreds and drown us all in topics like "OMG CCP FAIL SO HARD" "CCP I QUIT" "RED LINE AAAAHHHHHH" "Ganked!" |
DildoMcnutz
The Tickle Monsters
7
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:02:00 -
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Daedric Lothar wrote:DildoMcnutz wrote:Instead of 1 SP per second spent in game make it 1 SP per second outside of the red zone, i dont understand what business anyone has sitting in there deployment zone. My understanding is that its there so you will always have a place to spawn without getting your ass shot up, not so you can sit were no one can get you and snipe or do nothing and gain SP. Just my opinion, no offense to any redline snipers, its your game do what you want. You must obviously be a great player. However, your suggestion would lead to the Forumpocolypse. Newbie's would be redlined by good players and not gain any SP and come to the Forums by the dozens or hundreds and drown us all in topics like "OMG CCP FAIL SO HARD" "CCP I QUIT" "RED LINE AAAAHHHHHH" "Ganked!"
I suppose you do have a point but ive only ever seen what your predicting happen once in a FW game where a team just could not leave there red zone. It was a game of 6 of us and 10 deadly blue dots vs a team of randoms getting killed as they hit the ground jumping outta the MCC. Not exactly proud of that match, but there has to be some way of getting them to stop sitting up in the hills.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
562
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:08:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Make the game fun and people wont want to AFK
How are they going to make it fun when people join matches and don't play? You know it's an exploit. Don't make excuses to try and justify it. |
gbh08
74656d70
13
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:13:00 -
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in some of the mcc's you can spawn a lav if your in the right position
sometimes, (its way random) the rdv come crashing through the mcc roof! it explodes and tk's anyone thats near it 
and after its exploded, you get to keep the lav INSIDE the mcc lol then you can drive around in there and ram people out the door 
proof |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
823
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:15:00 -
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gbh08 wrote:in some of the mcc's you can spawn a lav if your in the right position sometimes, (its way random) the rdv come crashing through the mcc roof! it explodes and tk's anyone thats near it and after its exploded, you get to keep the lav INSIDE the mcc lol then you can drive around in there and ram people out the door proof
Lol, I done that before back in Chromosone!
Except the RDV glitched out and sent the LAV flying into the middle of the map instead.
EDIT: Wonder if this can be used to get a rail tank in, rail sniping from the MCC anyone? |
Severance Pay
Purgatorium of the Damned
League of Infamy
376
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:17:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Cosgar wrote:Make the game fun and people wont want to AFK How are they going to make it fun when people join matches and don't play? You know it's an exploit. Don't make excuses to try and justify it.
He is implying that people join matches and don't play because the game is not fun, and if it were fun this would not happen. You are arguing symantics. The game needs to kick people that are inactive, and there needs to be a gamemode where people can grind sp and not tarnish kdr, cuz that is what noobs worry about.. |
gbh08
74656d70
14
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:20:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:gbh08 wrote:in some of the mcc's you can spawn a lav if your in the right position sometimes, (its way random) the rdv come crashing through the mcc roof! it explodes and tk's anyone thats near it and after its exploded, you get to keep the lav INSIDE the mcc lol then you can drive around in there and ram people out the door proof Lol, I done that before back in Chromosone! Except the RDV glitched out and sent the LAV flying into the middle of the map instead. EDIT: Wonder if this can be used to get a rail tank in, rail sniping from the MCC anyone?
It still works, however as you said, most the time the rdv just hangs about outside and pings off somewhere else, although iv got 3 lavs inside in one match before, it works better on a certain map
An lol at the tank, i havnt tried, but that shall be my entertainment for today i think  |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
1790
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:31:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Cosgar wrote:Make the game fun and people wont want to AFK How are they going to make it fun when people join matches and don't play? You know it's an exploit. Don't make excuses to try and justify it.
I'm not trying to justify it. But right now, the only incentive to play is the grind. People argue that they're having fun with friends, but honestly, you can have fun with any game with friends. Let me put it this way, if SP was 100% passive to where your weekly cap was gained passively, how many people do you think would log in religiously compared to now? |
Nebra Tene
Roaming Blades
79
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Posted - 2013.06.17 15:55:00 -
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GOTDUST wrote:Yesterday, not one, not two, but NINE mercs sitting in a row sniping from mcc. Does anybody hack anymore? Lately, once an objective is hacked, it stays that way for entire match.
Either turn on some poison gas or friendly fiire in mcc. These COWARDS need to be dealt with! NOT next year, TODAY.
DildoMcnutz wrote:Instead of 1 SP per second spent in game make it 1 SP per second outside of the red zone, i dont understand what business anyone has sitting in there deployment zone. My understanding is that its there so you will always have a place to spawn without getting your ass shot up, not so you can sit were no one can get you and snipe or do nothing and gain SP. Just my opinion, no offense to any redline snipers, its your game do what you want.
Killing mercs on MCC, or adding friendly fire will not make people stop AFKing, you seem to think the redline and MCC are the problem here, when really people AFK everywhere, putting penalties on the MCC/ Redline wil do nothing, AFK-ing is a problem even on Ambush maps as simply by hiding in some corner works.
(Since most of the fighting ends up oin one area anyways, no one bothers to look for "strays.")
The MCC/ Redline isn't the problem, and most "solutions" people keep thinking of would just inconvenience active players more than it would AFKers.
If you have to bother active players to merely give a small inconvenience to AFKers, its not worth the hassle.
Severance Pay wrote:The game needs to kick people that are inactive
Wrong as well, as this can be avoided extremely easily with a rubber band on the controller, or heck, just set something on the analogue stick so the character will keep spinning.
Once again, its something that would ultimately just end up bothering actual players more than AFKers.
To everyone who is thinking on how to "fix" this situation, when coming up with a "solution," you can't just think "how do I get rid of AFK-ing?" as that would alone would be extremely simple, but more than likely too inconvenient to everyone else and not worth it, you have to think "How do I get rid of AFK-ing without bothering the rest of the players?"
What's the point of the getting rid of AFKers if whatever they do just ruins it for those who don't as well?
Cosgar wrote:Make the game fun and people wont want to AFK
Definitelly on the right track, but not quite.
The game can be the most fun game in the world, but as long as it has a way to reward those who do nothing, as long as there's no actual motive to be actively playing rather than just AFK, people are going to keep AFK-ing, be it for whatever reason it may be.
Its more about discouraging people from AFKing and encouraging them to play instead, making AFK not worth it in comparison.
You know, instead of thinking: "Well I could play, but why if I can just AFK and gain about the same benefits as if I played."
Make them think: "Well I COULD AFK, but why when its a lot more rewarding to play!"
You get what I'm saying?
Problem being, with the game mechanics as they are now, it would be really difficult to come up with a viable solution that wouldn't harm the game too much, which i probably why CCP hasn't done anything about it, because they can't, or rather, they don't know how to either.
Well...that's for the AFK problem at least, MCC sniping IS their fault, be it a glitch or not, the ability to shoot in and out of the MCC is something they dropped the ball on, but will probably be fixed in the upcoming update. |
semperfi1999
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
536
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:08:00 -
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Honestly the only way to truly change it is to switch how SP is earned. If you got 5 SP for every WP and 1 SP per second then there would be no point to AFKing anymore and the 1 SP per second would still give new players a small amount of SP....it will also teach players to go for WPs to get their SP.
Edit: But I forgot this is too hardcore for the "hardcore" player base of New Eden. They need passive SP gain earned from time in game to make them feel 1337 |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
425
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:13:00 -
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I'd love to AFK and TK morons in my free suits.
For me lately, LAV is the new AFK. |
stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
131
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Posted - 2013.06.17 16:52:00 -
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I was just in a match with 7 blueberries AFKing, we were able to barely win because my squad was able to take and hold the compound, but this is just getting ridiculous. |
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Fearless Speech
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:00:00 -
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Honestly, MCC snipers anger me more than AFKers. AFK'ers are almost honest.. they admit they are just in it for the grind and don't care about hurting the team.
MCC snipers are all "ZOMG I"M HELPING MY TEAMZ WITH MY LEETZ SHOOTINZZZZZZZZ PEWPEW." The dishonesty infuriates me, as well as the fact that they are almost even more of a waste, because here is a player that's at least participating and not just an afker, but... they choose to participate in a way that's as useless as possible.
Enable redline friendly fire, 5 team kills in x time = boot (just like MAG did it). |
Maximus Stryker
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
495
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:02:00 -
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I support FF in the MCC or auto eject after 30 seconds of being in the MCC |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
387
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:10:00 -
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It is on, but it takes a lot of ammo. Keep going! |
Renolissa
Academy Inferno
CRONOS.
64
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:11:00 -
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Yeah! Cool idea! +1 |
The Shotgun Surgeon
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:13:00 -
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I have a better idea, if you stay in the redline for more than a minute you get the ban hammer shoved up your butt so deep it comes out of your mouth, i hate afk scum |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
823
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:13:00 -
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Fearless Speech wrote:Honestly, MCC snipers anger me more than AFKers. AFK'ers are almost honest.. they admit they are just in it for the grind and don't care about hurting the team.
MCC snipers are all "ZOMG I"M HELPING MY TEAMZ WITH MY LEETZ SHOOTINZZZZZZZZ PEWPEW." The dishonesty infuriates me, as well as the fact that they are almost even more of a waste, because here is a player that's at least participating and not just an afker, but... they choose to participate in a way that's as useless as possible.
Enable redline friendly fire, 5 team kills in x time = boot (just like MAG did it).
I come out of the MCC when sniping, how else am I going to do my 360 Noscopes? |
Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9
RISE of LEGION
0
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:21:00 -
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It would be a lot simpler to just make that 'shield' over the bay door so that all shots fired through it don't work. In other words, don't let any shots go through the shield from either direction. Only allow dropsuits to pass through it.
It won't solve the AFK issue, but it will make people have to leave the MCC in order to shoot things outside.
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dustwaffle
Ill Omens
EoN.
78
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:24:00 -
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The Shotgun Surgeon wrote:I have a better idea, if you stay in the redline for more than a minute you get the ban hammer shoved up your butt so deep it comes out of your mouth, i hate afk scum
Cool. So when your entire team gets redlined, instead of trying to fight back, might as well leave the game within a minute, or get a banhammer in the arse. |
D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO
D3LTA FORC3
Orion Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:34:00 -
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This Is Coming From Someone Who Drives A LaV The Whole Match |
RoundEy3
Metal Mind Industries
84
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Posted - 2013.06.17 17:39:00 -
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Jadd Hatchen wrote:It would be a lot simpler to just make that 'shield' over the bay door so that all shots fired through it don't work. In other words, don't let any shots go through the shield from either direction. Only allow dropsuits to pass through it.
It won't solve the AFK issue, but it will make people have to leave the MCC in order to shoot things outside.
Thumbs up. This is probably the most realistic and simplest fix. Ahhh, but the gas would be so funny, or knowing that some heavy would be willing to be the team killing MCC punisher for the rest of the match to keep everyone moving. |
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