DUST Search - TURN ON FRIENDLY FIRE INSIDE MCC

Nebra Tene wrote:

GOTDUST wrote:

Yesterday, not one, not two, but NINE mercs sitting in a row sniping from mcc. Does anybody hack anymore? Lately, once an objective is hacked, it stays that way for entire match.
Either turn on some poison gas or friendly fiire in mcc. These COWARDS need to be dealt with! NOT next year, TODAY.

DildoMcnutz wrote:

Instead of 1 SP per second spent in game make it 1 SP per second outside of the red zone, i dont understand what business anyone has sitting in there deployment zone. My understanding is that its there so you will always have a place to spawn without getting your ass shot up, not so you can sit were no one can get you and snipe or do nothing and gain SP. Just my opinion, no offense to any redline snipers, its your game do what you want.

Killing mercs on MCC,adding friendly fire, or any other MCC/ Red Zone penalties will not make people stop AFKing, you seem to think the redline and MCC are the problem here, when really people AFK everywhere, even on Ambush maps simply by hiding in some corner.
(Since most of the fighting ends up oin one area anyways, no one bothers to look for "strays.")

The MCC/ Redline isn't the problem, and most "solutions" people keep thinking of would just inconvenience active players more than it would AFKers.
If you have to bother active players to merely give a small inconvenience to AFKers, its not worth the hassle.

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The Shotgun Surgeon Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:41:00 - [31] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: The Shotgun Surgeon wrote: I have a better idea, if you stay in the redline for more than a minute you get the ban hammer shoved up your butt so deep it comes out of your mouth, i hate afk scum Cool. So when your entire team gets redlined, instead of trying to fight back, might as well leave the game within a minute, or get a banhammer in the arse. or just drive your free murder taxis into the enemy yelling KAMIKAZEEEEEEEEEE
Jammer Jalapeno BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 23	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:57:00 - [32] - Quote Yea I'm tired of the camping too. It's not fair to the team. If your so worried about losing your precious suits spawn into something free or leave the freaking battle. As far as the newbies go, if you don't go out there and fight how will you get any better?
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 469	Posted - 2013.06.17 17:58:00 - [33] - Quote DildoMcnutz wrote: Instead of 1 SP per second spent in game make it 1 SP per second outside of the red zone, i dont understand what business anyone has sitting in there deployment zone. My understanding is that its there so you will always have a place to spawn without getting your ass shot up, not so you can sit were no one can get you and snipe or do nothing and gain SP. Just my opinion, no offense to any redline snipers, its your game do what you want. This is actually the best idea I have seen. It deals with the AFKers quite well. If they AFK for skill points they have to do it in an area where the enemy may find and kill them. If someone is timid and does not want to come out of the red zone, they may reconsider when they realize that their skill point gain is effected. As much as I would love to shoot the guys hanging out in the MCC sometimes, I think this solution will be more effective overall.
Chinduko KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 213	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:00:00 - [34] - Quote Yes Please, CCP. Also, turn on friendly fire for anyone behind their redline.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 471	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:25:00 - [35] - Quote Nebra Tene wrote: GOTDUST wrote: Yesterday, not one, not two, but NINE mercs sitting in a row sniping from mcc. Does anybody hack anymore? Lately, once an objective is hacked, it stays that way for entire match. Either turn on some poison gas or friendly fiire in mcc. These COWARDS need to be dealt with! NOT next year, TODAY. DildoMcnutz wrote: Instead of 1 SP per second spent in game make it 1 SP per second outside of the red zone, i dont understand what business anyone has sitting in there deployment zone. My understanding is that its there so you will always have a place to spawn without getting your ass shot up, not so you can sit were no one can get you and snipe or do nothing and gain SP. Just my opinion, no offense to any redline snipers, its your game do what you want. Killing mercs on MCC,adding friendly fire, or any other MCC/ Red Zone penalties will not make people stop AFKing, you seem to think the redline and MCC are the problem here, when really people AFK everywhere, even on Ambush maps simply by hiding in some corner. (Since most of the fighting ends up oin one area anyways, no one bothers to look for "strays.") The MCC/ Redline isn't the problem, and most "solutions" people keep thinking of would just inconvenience active players more than it would AFKers. If you have to bother active players to merely give a small inconvenience to AFKers, its not worth the hassle. The idea of only giving the extra passive Skill points when outside of the Red Zone has only a slight impact on normal players. If a team gets red lined, then they should be switching to Drop Uplink fits and trying to sneak out of the red zone, rather than just giving up. AFKers may be a problem everywhere, but at least outside the Red zone there is a chance the enemy will find them and kill them. Then if they donGÇÖt spawn again they will be kicked from the match.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 471	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:35:00 - [36] - Quote Add a Kills/Match ratio to make the AFKers look bad! Edit: Or WP/Match.
ADAM-OF-EVE Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:47:00 - [37] - Quote close the hole in the mcc and make anyone who spawns there auto drop from the mcc instead. job done. if they are afk they splat. if not then enemy snipers take your aim. everyones a winner
Jammer Jalapeno BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate 25	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:51:00 - [38] - Quote or no SP/ISK for those who do not cross the red line
ADAM-OF-EVE Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 46	Posted - 2013.06.17 18:56:00 - [39] - Quote Jammer Jalapeno wrote: or no SP/ISK for those who do not cross the red line spawn.. run across line, run back and hope you dont get spotted, afk rest of fight behind a rock. this wont work. as long as someone is on the ground there is a way of killing them even if its friendlies pushing them out of cover in a lav etc and then leave the rest upto enemy snipers.
I VOTED FOR-KODOS Absentee AFK Regiment 23	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:12:00 - [40] - Quote Fearless Speech wrote: Honestly, MCC snipers anger me more than AFKers. AFK'ers are almost honest.. they admit they are just in it for the grind and don't care about hurting the team. MCC snipers are all "ZOMG I"M HELPING MY TEAMZ WITH MY LEETZ SHOOTINZZZZZZZZ PEWPEW." The dishonesty infuriates me, as well as the fact that they are almost even more of a waste, because here is a player that's at least participating and not just an afker, but... they choose to participate in a way that's as useless as possible. Enable redline friendly fire, 5 team kills in x time = boot (just like MAG did it). depending on the map i am helping. im keeping them off a,d,e so you can worry about keeping the terminals inside the cities. i afk a lot buy if i get on a map where i can chip in a bit, i do.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3864	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:13:00 - [41] - Quote Just treat the inside of the MCC like the redzone. You get a timer, then you die.
I VOTED FOR-KODOS Absentee AFK Regiment 23	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:14:00 - [42] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Add a Kills/Match ratio to make the AFKers look bad! Edit: Or WP/Match. except that there are instances when people join too late to do anything.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 134	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:16:00 - [43] - Quote +1 to making this game more fun. Even for those of us to fight to grind, its still just a grind. Same maps, same poeple, same goal. The only thing that matters is ISK and for what? We cant do anything with it other than buy suits. PC is over and done with as its lost its luster and means nothing other than gaining what? More ISK. Proof that it isnt fun? http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust The average daily top player count barely tops 6000 and has been going down since uprising came out. Not bad huh? Now look at the number of new players that are coming in daily. We get a couple thousand a day and yet the people playing are dwindling.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 1970	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:20:00 - [44] - Quote GOTDUST wrote: Yesterday, not one, not two, but NINE mercs sitting in a row sniping from mcc. Does anybody hack anymore? Lately, once an objective is hacked, it stays that way for entire match. Either turn on some poison gas or friendly fiire in mcc. These COWARDS need to be dealt with! NOT next year, TODAY. The funny thing is that this is actually a valid mechanic in Planetside 2. All the spawn rooms have one-way door shields so that as soon as you lose a base, all the people spawn inside, go sniper, and just shoot out the windows until the capture is complete.
Synther Bix R.I.f.t 38	Posted - 2013.06.17 19:31:00 - [45] - Quote Deadly neurotoxins always do the trick! As long as its not to quick because the MCC is my quick spawn orbital safe zone, if i was downed and earned a orbital, which happens often and my squad always ask me to drop it when im dead, then complain i was to slow.
D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 11	Posted - 2013.06.17 20:55:00 - [46] - Quote Yawnnnnn!!!!!! Let me call you guys a waaambulance. Same people complain about weapons that are OP. My goodness, just play with your squad or corp and forget the rest. To much complaining on here. If something is broken, post in the Technical Support/Bugs or suggestions forums. Let me see, people complained about heavies, shotguns Tac AR's, lazers etc and they all got nerfed. Just play the freakin game or quit pleaseee!!!
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 649	Posted - 2013.06.17 21:34:00 - [47] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Make the game fun and people wont want to AFK I know this gets a lot of likes... but the reverse is that if you take away the AFK option the game will be more fun for some of those that are trying to play in the face of AWOL blues.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 372	Posted - 2013.06.17 21:55:00 - [48] - Quote I'll state my opinion on the matter (yet again) 100% FF from all damage sources in all game modes is the only way to do it. Give an auto-kick for X number of TKs and be done with it. Anyone who thinks it will be abused is just afraid they'd be a target.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 391	Posted - 2013.06.17 22:01:00 - [49] - Quote This must have been on domination... where you can MCC snipe people hacking the objective. Someone posted going 50/0 MCC sniping... can't knock it if its effective.
Spec Ops Cipher Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 89	Posted - 2013.06.17 22:05:00 - [50] - Quote GOTDUST wrote: Yesterday, not one, not two, but NINE mercs sitting in a row sniping from mcc. Does anybody hack anymore? Lately, once an objective is hacked, it stays that way for entire match. Either turn on some poison gas or friendly fiire in mcc. These COWARDS need to be dealt with! NOT next year, TODAY. Want them felt with? Mail the enemy team. Find the best squad on their team and let em know you have a few people you need removed from the mcc. Mail me anytime, I'll oblige. There are many ways to remove them, as you will learn in coming days... ^^

Nebra Tene Roaming Blades 79	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:36:00 - [51] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: The idea of only giving the extra passive Skill points when outside of the Red Zone has only a slight impact on normal players. If a team gets red lined, then they should be switching to Drop Uplink fits and trying to sneak out of the red zone, rather than just giving up. AFKers may be a problem everywhere, but at least outside the Red zone there is a chance the enemy will find them and kill them. Then if they donGÇÖt spawn again they will be kicked from the match. Saying a team " should just "x" when getting red-lined is easier said than done, plus even if successful in sneaking out, still doesn't mean they won't get pushed right back soon after. Also again, the Red-Zone is not the problem, people think that's only where they AFK because that's where you see most, plenty often there's AFKers in the middle of the field, posing as snipers, going to rooftops in some Militia Dropship or just hiding in some place people rarely go to, you'd be surprised the amount of places one can hide at. Besides, you realize AFKers getting killed does more harm to the team than to them, right? The team would be losing clones a lot faster, while the AFKers are more than likely in militia fits, so they don't lose anything. "Then if they donGÇÖt spawn again they will be kicked from the match" So...they just have to spawn again and walk outside the Redzone. Its not like spawning is something complicated, and they probably have the game on the background while they do something else nearby, so all you're preventing is people leaving the AFK char unchecked, and that's just MAYBE, depends on the map. And again, even if slightly, you're still inconveniencing actual players more for something that would barely affect AFKers. RoundEy3 wrote: Jadd Hatchen wrote: It would be a lot simpler to just make that 'shield' over the bay door so that all shots fired through it don't work. In other words, don't let any shots go through the shield from either direction. Only allow dropsuits to pass through it. It won't solve the AFK issue, but it will make people have to leave the MCC in order to shoot things outside. Thumbs up. This is probably the most realistic and simplest fix. Ahhh, but the gas would be so funny, or knowing that some heavy would be willing to be the team killing MCC punisher for the rest of the match to keep everyone moving. This is how it used to be before, current shooting in-out of MCC is more than likely a glitch, will probably be back to that next update. semperfi1999 wrote: Honestly the only way to truly change it is to switch how SP is earned. If you got 5 SP for every WP and 1 SP per second then there would be no point to AFKing anymore and the 1 SP per second would still give new players a small amount of SP....it will also teach players to go for WPs to get their SP. Edit: But I forgot this is too hardcore for the "hardcore" player base of New Eden. They need passive SP gain earned from time in game to make them feel 1337 Now you're just making it worse for new players, and rewarding Proto-stomping. All you're doing is encouraging new players to AFK while dropping Uplinks and Nanohives...or just not ant to play. Again, people you have to think of how it would affect all classes and all players, newbies and vets alike. Also, I think someone suggested a timer on the red-zone that would kick/ kill players if they stayed too long? So when they push back a team to the red-zone, then what, kick players that can't get out in time or are trying to push back the reds? May as well not even try then and leave the match, which if it happens mid-late match is going to discourage a lot of people, as that means they're forfeiting any potential rewards they could have gotten, plus making anything lost during the match lost in vain.
D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 11	Posted - 2013.06.18 02:46:00 - [52] - Quote Spec Ops Cipher wrote: GOTDUST wrote: Yesterday, not one, not two, but NINE mercs sitting in a row sniping from mcc. Does anybody hack anymore? Lately, once an objective is hacked, it stays that way for entire match. Either turn on some poison gas or friendly fiire in mcc. These COWARDS need to be dealt with! NOT next year, TODAY. Want them felt with? Mail the enemy team. Find the best squad on their team and let em know you have a few people you need removed from the mcc. Mail me anytime, I'll oblige. There are many ways to remove them, as you will learn in coming days... ^^ Sounds like treason
Raist Soulforge Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.06.18 03:51:00 - [53] - Quote The idea of the shield blocking fire both ways is a start. After that, need a mechanic to get people out of the MCC so they can't just sit there. Perhaps the auto deploy after so many seconds in the MCC would be a step in the right direction. I often will spawn there for the express purpose of seeing if I can scope out what is going on if we're having trouble with an objective. If, while checking things out I get a clear shot on someone, I'll try to take it....doesn't mean I'm sitting up there the whole time. I'll even be chatting on the mic, telling people what I see and some one spawns and comes up behind me and starts shooting/slashing at me. (as a side note, would be nice if we could easily see the name of who is currently broadcasting with a mic. Wouldn't need to be a full breakout of the squad/team or anything. It could be a small window of text or something, kind of like the kill reporting. If it already exists, forgive me...I haven't noticed it yet, probably because so few people actually use their mics, unfortunately) All I'm saying is, there needs to be some middle ground here. Not everyone is just sitting up there, taking up space on the team and leeching SP/ISK 24/7.
GOTDUST MURDER TAXI COMPANY 32	Posted - 2013.06.18 13:13:00 - [54] - Quote D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO wrote: This Is Coming From Someone Who Drives A LaV The Whole Match Shows how much you know! I don't drive Lavs annyymore. I just smoosh people w my dropship. That's funner then lav's.
gbh08 74656d70 21	Posted - 2013.06.18 15:39:00 - [55] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: I'll state my opinion on the matter (yet again) 100% FF from all damage sources in all game modes is the only way to do it. Give an auto-kick for X number of TKs and be done with it. Anyone who thinks it will be abused is just afraid they'd be a target. This x 1000000 in a supposedly tactical shooter, i've always wondered where the FF is at, it makes for less of a **** fest in game All game modes should have a FF version as well as the normal, why have it for pc only when half of us dont play pc Auto kick, or vote to kick would cool, it worked for socom Also while were at it, a no respawn objective type game mode would be sweet aswell yeah i loved and miss socom (not the casual lastest version)
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 21	Posted - 2013.06.18 17:09:00 - [56] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Make the game fun and people wont want to AFK This. Why are people AFK at the moment? The game gets boring after a few hours, but these people want to keep playing when future updates bring new content. But then they want SP. Simple solution: Sit AFK in an Instant Match which aren't worth anything until you cap out for the week. This way you get all the SP without having to bother about anything. Quote: Give an auto-kick for X number of TKs and be done with it. Anyone who thinks it will be abused is just afraid they'd be a target. This sounds like a really... bad idea. You want FF so you can shoot people who are sitting in the MCC, but on the same time an auto-kick for X number of TKs. Yeah. Orbital strike and some guys from your team don't run away fast enough? AUTOKICK! Killing people who are AFK in the MCC? AUTOKICK! I have a much simpler solution: The MCC should be a red zone and you die after 30 seconds in it.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 374	Posted - 2013.06.19 01:02:00 - [57] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: Cosgar wrote: Make the game fun and people wont want to AFK This. Why are people AFK at the moment? The game gets boring after a few hours, but these people want to keep playing when future updates bring new content. But then they want SP. Simple solution: Sit AFK in an Instant Match which aren't worth anything until you cap out for the week. This way you get all the SP without having to bother about anything. Quote: Give an auto-kick for X number of TKs and be done with it. Anyone who thinks it will be abused is just afraid they'd be a target. This sounds like a really... bad idea. You want FF so you can shoot people who are sitting in the MCC, but on the same time an auto-kick for X number of TKs. Yeah. Orbital strike and some guys from your team don't run away fast enough? AUTOKICK! Killing people who are AFK in the MCC? AUTOKICK! I have a much simpler solution: The MCC should be a red zone and you die after 30 seconds in it. I thought this was supposed to be an objective oriented, team-based shooter? You should be using coordination more if we have 100% FF from all sources in all modes. Besides, I'll take my auto-kick on the chin if I'm allowed to TK AFKers.
cy6 Raging Pack of Homos 55	Posted - 2013.06.19 01:12:00 - [58] - Quote This wouldnt stop AFKing underneath the MCC or even at the alternative spawn point. Id rather implement a votekick mechanic
Jathniel G I A N T EoN. 479	Posted - 2013.06.19 01:28:00 - [59] - Quote Two options to fix this: 1. Matchmaking (because even and close matches are fun matches) 2. Custom Matchmaking (because when you can invite and play with whoever you want, matches are fun matches) TaDa!
Brutus Va'Khan Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 33	Posted - 2013.06.19 02:13:00 - [60] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Two options to fix this: 1. Matchmaking (because even and close matches are fun matches) 2. Custom Matchmaking (because when you can invite and play with whoever you want, matches are fun matches) TaDa! This would probably help.



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